Tyranid Rumours (1st post updated with hive guard pic.)

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**Azreal13**

Cyaneye wrote:
Bigred from bell of lost souls
A tiny rumor with BIG implications:

Unique Tyranid creatures are unique per detachment. For for example 2 Dooms, 2 Swarmlords, etc... at 2k, representing a very rare breed but something that each HiveFleet knows how to create in extremis.

Rumor rating: possible

What's the one thing worse than a swarmlord? Two Swarmlords

This is, of course, assuming the Swarmlord carries over his current level of awesome. It wouldn't take many changes to render him a lot less scary.

**streamdragon**

Kroothawk wrote:
Da krimson barun wrote:
actually it turns out I was thinking of the third edition one(I'd never noticed the exposed brain since I only saw it in hive fleet jormagunder from the front.)

Makes more sense, as it is my favorite as well from all GW-versions. Personally I was glad to sell 2nd edition Zoanthrope, Gargoyles, Hormagaunts and metal warriors.
BTW 2nd edition Zoanthrope shows brains as well:

Sorry, I was referring to model iterations not game editions. Apologies for the confusion, but that ugly mofo is what I called the "OG Zoanthrope" in my last post. I am talking about liking this duder:

**rigeld2**

So much hate for the OG Zoey. I love him.

**c0j1r0**

If there are 2 Swarmlords, that may be a change in the fluff. iirc the current codex states that the Swarmlord is only ever in one place at a time.

**rigeld2**

Nope - it's implied by using "The" but never said that it can only appear in one place.

I could see it happening.

**RiTides**

rigeld2 wrote:
So much hate for the OG Zoey. I love him.

Me too

. I like the idea of it walking rather than floating... looks a lot more intimidating, imo.

**ductvader**

Old One Eye is the only true "The"...and thus he should be the only eternal warrior in the book...come on...everybody gets one.

Arguments could be made for The Red Terror and The Swarmlord (as he is still on Ultramar)

Deathleaper, the Parasite and the Doom are replicable

**brassangel**

RiTides wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
So much hate for the OG Zoey. I love him.

Me too . I like the idea of it walking rather than floating... looks a lot more intimidating, imo.

No, it just looks silly. Besides, it's job isn't physical intimidation, but rather psychological. Tyranids minimize frills to make something as efficient as possible.

I think I'd hardly find myself intimidated by a pizza-headed alien with clown gloves on anyway.

rigeld2 wrote:Nope - it's implied by using "The" but never said that it can only appear in one place.

I could see it happening.

Yeah. The Swarmlord is just a particular Hive Fleet's perfectly formed counter-strategist to an enemy. It's possible they can poop out more than one, I'm sure.

**ductvader**

brassangel wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:Nope - it's implied by using "The" but never said that it can only appear in one place.

I could see it happening.

Yeah. The Swarmlord is just a particular Hive Fleet's perfectly formed counter-strategist to an enemy. It's possible they can poop out more than one, I'm sure.

It's more a question of efficiency, did any of the stories need more than one Doom, Parasite, Terror, Death, or Swarmlord...eh...not really...haha

But just like having more than 10 Grey Knights in an army is illogical...there could be two Swamlords.

**brassangel**

ductvader wrote:
brassangel wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:Nope - it's implied by using "The" but never said that it can only appear in one place.

I could see it happening.

Yeah. The Swarmlord is just a particular Hive Fleet's perfectly formed counter-strategist to an enemy. It's possible they can poop out more than one, I'm sure.

It's more a question of efficiency, did any of the stories need more than one Doom, Parasite, Terror, Death, or Swarmlord...eh...not really...haha

But just like having more than 10 Grey Knights in an army is illogical...there could be two Swamlords.

The Norn Queen had two eggs ready for fertilization that day, so they may not be identical Swarmlords.

**Rotary**

So i was looking through my nid stuff and i have 6 warriors on sprue and 3 partially built and unpainted. I have to say i don't have any plans to build them ever. Plus 3 of them is more expensive than a box of 5 terminators. Anyone holding out any hopes for warriors in the new codex? They have a large amount of weapons options and they are great looking models. It might be cool to have a reason to get them into service. Any thoughts?

**bu11etmagn3tt**

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**SBG**

Removed quote - MDS

Not the place, this is a rumor thread.

Rotary wrote:So i was looking through my nid stuff and i have 6 warriors on sprue and 3 partially built and unpainted. I have to say i don't have any plans to build them ever. Plus 3 of them is more expensive than a box of 5 terminators. Anyone holding out any hopes for warriors in the new codex? They have a large amount of weapons options and they are great looking models. It might be cool to have a reason to get them into service. Any thoughts?

Go for it, magnetize them, they have to be better in the new codex! They couldn't be worse... :p I need a chance to use my horde o' Warriors too.

**Rotary**

SBG wrote:
Removed quote - MDS

Not the place, this is a rumor thread.

Rotary wrote:So i was looking through my nid stuff and i have 6 warriors on sprue and 3 partially built and unpainted. I have to say i don't have any plans to build them ever. Plus 3 of them is more expensive than a box of 5 terminators. Anyone holding out any hopes for warriors in the new codex? They have a large amount of weapons options and they are great looking models. It might be cool to have a reason to get them into service. Any thoughts?

Go for it, magnetize them, they have to be better in the new codex! They couldn't be worse... :p I need a chance to use my horde o' Warriors too.

Well I've got two weeks off but some genestealers and gaunts i just started. I agree that they have to be better than they currently are, and with so many options its amazing they aren't any better. Maybe i'll get them together with some magnets and put them to use when the new codex comes around.

**brassangel**

I'm surprised that Tyranids are the next codex, but SOOOO little information is circulating out there. We've even gotten pretty specific bits about Orks and Imperial guard, but all sources swear Tyranids are in January.

**Carnage43**

brassangel wrote:
I'm surprised that Tyranids are the next codex, but SOOOO little information is circulating out there. We've even gotten pretty specific bits about Orks and Imperial guard, but all sources swear Tyranids are in January.

Do we REALLY have specific bits about Orks and IG, or are we looking at made up stuff? I mean, the Ork codex has to be at least 6+ months out at this point.

We will be hearing more solid stuff in 4-5 weeks, with extremely solid stuff 2-3 after that. The release is only like 10-12 weeks away, so it's not like we have long to wait or anything.

**brassangel**

Carnage43 wrote:
brassangel wrote:
I'm surprised that Tyranids are the next codex, but SOOOO little information is circulating out there. We've even gotten pretty specific bits about Orks and Imperial guard, but all sources swear Tyranids are in January.

Do we REALLY have specific bits about Orks and IG, or are we looking at made up stuff? I mean, the Ork codex has to be at least 6+ months out at this point.

We will be hearing more solid stuff in 4-5 weeks, with extremely solid stuff 2-3 after that. The release is only like 10-12 weeks away, so it's not like we have long to wait or anything.

You're right, we don't know if it's truly specific.

You're also right in that the IG and Orks stuff could be made up. We went through that with some of the Nidvember junk that went around. The speculation about IG and Orks has been pretty specific, however, involving units, model releases, and even rules. We have as much for those two armies as we do for Tyranids.

You are right (x3) in that we don't have long to wait.

**Altruizine**

Rotary wrote:
So i was looking through my nid stuff and i have 6 warriors on sprue and 3 partially built and unpainted. I have to say i don't have any plans to build them ever. Plus 3 of them is more expensive than a box of 5 terminators. Anyone holding out any hopes for warriors in the new codex? They have a large amount of weapons options and they are great looking models. It might be cool to have a reason to get them into service. Any thoughts?

Personally, I've been unloading a bunch of my Warrior models in sales and trades, because I'm convinced they're going to get redone for the new book. I started 2013 with 12+ of them in various configs, and I'm now down to 4 or 5 (pure shooty mix of Deathspitters and a VC/BS).

There are valid reasons to suspect that the kit will remain unchanged -- they're nice models that have aged well, and GW is reluctant to redo extant plastic kits. I just think the Shrike/Prime situation is untenable, and the only convincing solution is the release of a new plastic kit to cover them. And since Raveners already have a dedicated, up-to-date plastic kit, the alternate build of the Shrike kit would probably be basic Warriors.

Even if a Shrike kit comes out and is a solo-build kit, or the alternate build is another type of flying Warrior, I'd be loathe to assemble any old Warriors right now because you might miss out on some awesome bits for customizing them. Between the old Warrior kit, the Ravs, and whatever comes out for Shrikes there are going to be some cool, effortless kitbashing opportunities.

So if you're the gambling type, like me, try to sell the Warriors now, while Tyranid interest is on an upswing but nobody has seen the fancy new replacements. If you'd rather play it conservatively, leave the models alone for a few more months, and see what new assembly/equipment options the new kits and rules engender.

**Davor**

brassangel wrote:
I'm surprised that Tyranids are the next codex, but SOOOO little information is circulating out there. We've even gotten pretty specific bits about Orks and Imperial guard, but all sources swear Tyranids are in January.

ALL SOURCES swore Nov. We all know how that turned out.

The reason so little is coming out, is it's not following the pattern. 4 weeks before pre-order is usually when we get the SOLID real rumours. Tyranids were having rumours before even SM were released. If following the pattern, most could be considered bogus.

I am really not thinking Jan will be it either since everything has been proven wrong that was not within the "4 week" window.

*edit*. Oh yeah, saw this on BOLS.

Rumormongering can be very sticky business. Today we take a look at the latest Tyranid rumor doing the rounds and try to decipher what's going on.

First the rumor:

"The Dominar embodies Tyranid Hive Mind completely. Within its shadow, lesser creatures bow in servitude, and larger Tyranids find greater access to the warp. It's armored shell protects it from the most powerful weaponry. Any enemy foolish enough to close with it will find no mercy, as it's claws and teeth rip through flesh and armor plating with ease, and within its massive body lie all manner of symbiotic organisms willing to defend their host.

The Karkanos is a lumbering, living fortress. Upon it's back, smaller Tyranids will gather for protection, waiting for the opportune moment to strike at their foes. Bristling with weapons, it can decimate foes as they close, while it's passengers target other enemies.

This multi-part plastic boxed set contains 84 components with which to build one Tyranid Dominar or one Karkanos. This kit contains all the weapon options available to the either creature including cluster spines, heavy venom cannons, brain leech devourers, and acid spray. This kit contains one Large Oval base. It is supplied unpainted and requires assembly - we recommend using Citadel Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints."
..............................

"The Dominar has a 18" synapse range and Shadow in the Warp range, and increases the psyker level of all Tyranid Psykers within 6" by 1 level. Also has It will Not Die, psychic Monstrosity, IC(c) and can take most Tyranid Biomorphs. It's bigger than the Tyrranofex model, wider with a taller stance, huge head with a massive brain under a wide plate, large mouth like the trygons. It has three rows of vents along the back plates, but the back plates come up behind the head like a turtle, offering protection."

" the Karkanos looks like a crab. It has a wide flat body, the back plate is sunk in and has a ridge around the outer edges. It's front set of arms can hold a few weapon options like venom cannons or devourers or can take claws or talons. Transport capacity is identical to the spore, but it cannot carry MCs. It is a dedicated transport option for the walking troops: warriors, Genestealers, hormigaunts, Termagants. Open top. Has special rules to handle being a MC and transport...not a vehicle. It's probably one of the most expensive dedicated transports in the game. Can be taken in heavy section solo."

Lets work up some pros and cons:

PROS:
1) The rumor lines up with recurring previous rumors of both a transport creature and a new "super hivenode HQ" coming in the new codex. In particular the reference to "Karkanos" and a new big-bug combo-kit, from as far back as June.

Full Tyranid Rumor Roundup

2) The language seems similar to the type of marketing and sales-support text we commonly see out of GW.

CONS:
1) The rumor comes from outside the set of "known good sources"

2) The exact language has some odd turns of phrase, which put it's accuracy in doubt. Still though, rumors often come to the community second or third-hand and mistranslations are common.

So you can see that items like these are tough ones to call. We are going to err onthe side of conservatism and rate it "Salty", but we have seen unknown sources come out of the blue and get things right like thin in the past.

What's your call folks? Legitimate leak, or a bunch of malarkey?

Not sure how to take this. Just seem almost true, but think it's bunk. One thing Tyranids don't have transports that move. It is what makes Tyranids unique.

**Redemption**

Davor wrote:
Not sure how to take this. Just seem almost true, but think it's bunk. One thing Tyranids don't have transports that move. It is what makes Tyranids unique.

Not entirely true: the Harridan can carry Gargoyles like a transport, and the Hierophant can also be upgraded with a transport capacity in the latest iteration of Apocalypse I believe. And of course, there's the Malefactor from Epic which was basically a large transport slug MC.

**Bloodhorror**

Personally, I hope that is true cus that sounds pretty awesome

**Puscifer**

The name "Dominar" seems bogus.

Privateer Press' Skorne range have Dominars. Pretty sure that is going to be copyrighted.

Also... Karkanos... I can't put my finger on it but I've seen that name before.

**Redemption**

Dominar is just a Latin word (to dominate), so nothing copyrightable about that. Karkanos is the God Cancer (the zodiac sign) was named after. It was also used in World of Warcraft for some aquatic boss.

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

These two monsters seem overdone and overhyped...in other words exactly what you'd expect from GW. So for now, I believe the rumors...

**Azreal13**

Dominar ---> Dominatrix.

Certainly sounds very similar sort of creature in spirit, if not exactly in description.

Could be yet another example of GW going back to earlier editions/other games for ideas, could just be the inspiration for some bunkam.

**Absolutionis**

At least these names sound better than "Tyrannofex", "Pyrovore", and "Venomthrope".

I was afraid we'd be getting a "Transportofex" or a "Psychovore".

Regardless, it's hit-or-miss BOLS, so we may be getting the Transportofex after all.

**Eldercaveman**

Redemption wrote:
Dominar is just a Latin word (to dominate), so nothing copyrightable about that. Karkanos is the God Cancer (the zodiac sign) was named after. It was also used in World of Warcraft for some aquatic boss.

Well that fits in with the description of it being crab like. And we know GW aren't shy on using names from Mythology.

Colour me intrigued by this latest band of rumours.

**BeeCee**

Beware the minivanogon. It can comfortably transport a few nids.

I am skeptical of these but i hope they are true. It seems plausible but after the clown car of d-bags created their own rumor sets it's hard to get on board with anything.

**pretre**

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/11/tyranids-moved-up-to-december.html

a very anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:
current GW managerial chart says that's Smaug wasn't good enough for the studio, so GW have had to go back to the drawing board, moving current releases forward so they don't miss the Christmas release window, Nids moving up to Dec, dwarfs in Jan 2014.

They'll still do the collectors releases for the hobbit, scenes from the film and such, just no new hobbit box.

**Bloodhorror**

ooo

Nids for Christmas

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