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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 06:55:52
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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-Loki- wrote:
That would be because Gork and Mork don't appear to want to do much in the warp other than giggle at each others dick punches and fart jokes, while occasionally lending power to Orks in the physical realm. The Chaos Gods truly make the Warp their own, and continually fight over it. Anyone entering the Warp is going to encounter beings of Chaos, not of Gork or Mork.
The Chaos Gods are the undisputed masters of the Warp because the most powerful entities really just don't give a feth.
Or it could be because the Chaos Gods are more powerful.
Provide me a single instance of Gork and Mork explicitly defeating a Chaos God.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 07:07:06
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Void__Dragon wrote: -Loki- wrote:
That would be because Gork and Mork don't appear to want to do much in the warp other than giggle at each others dick punches and fart jokes, while occasionally lending power to Orks in the physical realm. The Chaos Gods truly make the Warp their own, and continually fight over it. Anyone entering the Warp is going to encounter beings of Chaos, not of Gork or Mork.
The Chaos Gods are the undisputed masters of the Warp because the most powerful entities really just don't give a feth.
Or it could be because the Chaos Gods are more powerful.
Provide me a single instance of Gork and Mork explicitly defeating a Chaos God.
Gork and Mork beat up on Nurgle once, effectively using him as a volleyball.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 07:08:40
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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Citation needed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 07:16:08
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Warseer wrote:The Hunt
Gork and Mork go looking for a gigantic Squiggly beast and find it at the bottom of a huge cesspit. Also at the bottom of the cesspit is Nurgle, who has eaten all the Snotlings. Gork and Mork clobber Nurgle so hard that he spews up all the Snotlings who are still alive. Nurgle shrinks and becomes a Squiggly beast. The Snotlings then turn the Squig into a feast for Gork and Mork. This myth clearly represents the Ork triumph over Nurgle. The Orks have no fear of the realms of Nurgle, and happily thrive on Squiggly beasts that breed in their cesspits.
Either from Waaargh the Orkz, or 'Ere we go. Automatically Appended Next Post: Honestly I see no reason why the Comic Relief deities shouldn't be able to defeat everyone else with the power of slapstick.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 07:24:38
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Been Around the Block
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I'd say it's variant; After all, the necron cryptek manning the Celestial Orrery probably needs to take a break at least every hundred years or so.
Why is he stronger than everyone else? Because he can blow up stars... He is morally opposed to it, but he Can.
Why does that make him stronger?
Blow up ALL stars: Necrons are unaffected, every other race in the galaxy dies, except Tyranids, who would then likely just move on to the next galaxy anyway.
Emporer? No more psykers to power him, he goes poof.
Chaos Gods? (Including Human, Eldar, and Ork) No more non-necrons to power them, they go poof.
C'tan? The necrons Already beat them. They still have no reason to do so again.
Honestly, Necrons still hold the position as the ultimate super-power within the 40K universe... they just refuse to use it, for reasons of morality, and that's only the group currently in control of said power. They get taken out by another faction, and suddenly life stops being a thing in warhammer 40k.
And all of this is coming from a Tau player, so don't think I'm just routing for the home team here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 08:13:36
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Dakka Veteran
In da middle of da WAAAGH! Australia.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 08:42:01
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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Kain wrote:
Warseer wrote:The Hunt
Gork and Mork go looking for a gigantic Squiggly beast and find it at the bottom of a huge cesspit. Also at the bottom of the cesspit is Nurgle, who has eaten all the Snotlings. Gork and Mork clobber Nurgle so hard that he spews up all the Snotlings who are still alive. Nurgle shrinks and becomes a Squiggly beast. The Snotlings then turn the Squig into a feast for Gork and Mork. This myth clearly represents the Ork triumph over Nurgle. The Orks have no fear of the realms of Nurgle, and happily thrive on Squiggly beasts that breed in their cesspits.
Either from Waaargh the Orkz, or 'Ere we go.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Honestly I see no reason why the Comic Relief deities shouldn't be able to defeat everyone else with the power of slapstick.
Warseer wrote:
This myth
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 09:36:18
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Norn Queen
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Void__Dragon wrote: -Loki- wrote: That would be because Gork and Mork don't appear to want to do much in the warp other than giggle at each others dick punches and fart jokes, while occasionally lending power to Orks in the physical realm. The Chaos Gods truly make the Warp their own, and continually fight over it. Anyone entering the Warp is going to encounter beings of Chaos, not of Gork or Mork. The Chaos Gods are the undisputed masters of the Warp because the most powerful entities really just don't give a feth. Or it could be because the Chaos Gods are more powerful. Provide me a single instance of Gork and Mork explicitly defeating a Chaos God. They don't have to beat up a Chaos God to be more powerful. As below Melissia wrote:Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong that they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bears his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, the master of cunning, waits until his foe isn't looking and clobbers them with a low blow. [ Page 15, Codex: Orks, 2008 ] Remember, Warp deities are reflections of the emotions of the race that spawned them. Orks, as a race, aren't interested in galactic conquest as such, Waaaghs form when a Warband goes on the warpath, which is more about having a good fight, so it's not illogical to assume Mork and Gork would not be interested in conquest of the Warp. The races who have spawned and worshipped the Chaos Gods are interested in galactic conquest, so it's not illogical to assume the Chaos Gods attempted conquest of the Warp is due to that desire. Gork and Mork are more powerful, that's written in fluff. The Chaos Gods are the 'masters of the Warp', that's written in fluff. Neither are mutually exclusive. Mork and Gork have no daemons to fight for them in the Warp, because as reflections of the Ork race, they're not interested in conquest, they just want to fight, which they do plenty with each other and occasionally with the actual Chaos Gods themselves (which they, as per the Ork codex, simply shrug off). The Chaos Gods are interested in conquest, because the races that emotionally feed them are, so they spawn reflections of themselves as armies and play The Game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 09:43:49
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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Show me a single quote that states they are more powerful than the Chaos Gods, specifically.
"Other gods" is a vague and not at all all-encompassing statement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 09:47:52
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Norn Queen
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Show me where GW have stated other gods that still exist aside from the 4 Chaos Gods and Mork and Gork.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 10:09:27
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Regular Dakkanaut
SF, USA
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Indrick Boreale, obviously.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 10:28:35
Subject: Re:Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Flower Picking Eldar Youth
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Ynnead (the buffering god)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 10:36:41
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Void__Dragon wrote: Kain wrote:
Warseer wrote:The Hunt
Gork and Mork go looking for a gigantic Squiggly beast and find it at the bottom of a huge cesspit. Also at the bottom of the cesspit is Nurgle, who has eaten all the Snotlings. Gork and Mork clobber Nurgle so hard that he spews up all the Snotlings who are still alive. Nurgle shrinks and becomes a Squiggly beast. The Snotlings then turn the Squig into a feast for Gork and Mork. This myth clearly represents the Ork triumph over Nurgle. The Orks have no fear of the realms of Nurgle, and happily thrive on Squiggly beasts that breed in their cesspits.
Either from Waaargh the Orkz, or 'Ere we go.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Honestly I see no reason why the Comic Relief deities shouldn't be able to defeat everyone else with the power of slapstick.
Warseer wrote:
This myth
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What orks believe is literally true. So Ork myth is usually more like Ork reality.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 12:03:31
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ork belief can't change history.
What would be needed in this case is a word-for-word citation of the Nurgle and Khorne incidents, really (allegedly there's an incident where Gork and Mork beat Khorne, too, if only due to a sucker punch by Mork. However, again, I haven't seen a word-for-word citation on this).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 12:39:05
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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TiamatRoar wrote:Ork belief can't change history.
What would be needed in this case is a word-for-word citation of the Nurgle and Khorne incidents, really (allegedly there's an incident where Gork and Mork beat Khorne, too, if only due to a sucker punch by Mork. However, again, I haven't seen a word-for-word citation on this).
Orks predate the Chaos Gods by millions of years.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 15:05:59
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Slippery Scout Biker
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Kain wrote:Orks predate the Chaos Gods by millions of years.
Do you mean the 4 main Chaos Gods?
I'm quite sure Nurgle existed before the Orks. The ancestors of the Orks were supposedly created by The Old Ones. Death and decay, however, has been part of the universe at the very start, and Nurgle is supposed to be the oldest of the 4 main Chaos Gods. However I do find it strange that Khorne only fully became existant during Terra's middle ages...
This person knows his stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 15:14:03
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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ChakLong wrote: Kain wrote:Orks predate the Chaos Gods by millions of years.
Do you mean the 4 main Chaos Gods?
I'm quite sure Nurgle existed before the Orks. The ancestors of the Orks were supposedly created by The Old Ones. Death and decay, however, has been part of the universe at the very start, and Nurgle is supposed to be the oldest of the 4 main Chaos Gods. However I do find it strange that Khorne only fully became existant during Terra's middle ages...
This person knows his stuff.
Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch were all formed by humans in the medieval-renaissance era. Slaanesh is even younger.
The Chaos Gods are formed from emotion, not physical concepts. Nurgle is formed out of despair, Tzeentch hope, Khorne rage, and Slaanesh desire.
And for whatever reason only humans and Eldar seem to count.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 15:19:06
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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I think the order of Chaos god power is
Tzeentch
Nurgle
Khorne
Slaanesh
Slaanesh has potential to become the strongest, so the other 3 are actively working against it when needed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 15:28:38
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Makari, luckiest grot in the universe. (ghazkhulls standard bearer). anyone who tries to beat him will fail.
though this quote from old fluff tells us that gork and mork win, just for the goosebumps it sends up yer spines:
“Gork and Mork stirred and a wave of fear passed through the warp. Suicide and incidence of violent crime climbed steeply. On Icholbar an Astropath screamed and threw himself from the balcony of a skyscraper apartment, yelling that his people were doomed. On the craftworld Hope of Other Days, an Eldar philosopher stopped listening to the atonal music of his waterchimes and began composing his death-haiku. On distant Earth, a living corpse in a golden throne opened eyes that held fear for the first time in centuries.”
Extract from In The Warp Something Stirred, Waaargh! The Orks, pg.71
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 15:43:15
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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gwarsh41 wrote:I think the order of Chaos god power is
Tzeentch
Nurgle
Khorne
Slaanesh
Slaanesh has potential to become the strongest, so the other 3 are actively working against it when needed.
Erm no, the traditional order is
Khorne
Tzeentch
Nurgle
Slaanesh
Khorne is generally the most powerful as there's a lot of human anger to feed on, while Tzeentch feeds off the hope of mankind, Nurgle gets off on it's despair, and Slaanesh on our horniness, oh and Eldar souls.
However Tzeentch is generally the most successful as he's far and away the smartest and most cunning, and everything goes according to plan for him.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 16:08:48
Subject: Re:Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Norn Queen
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On distant Earth, a living corpse in a golden throne opened eyes that held fear for the first time in centuries.”
Extract from In The Warp Something Stirred, Waaargh! The Orks, pg.71
Very nice quote.
@ Kain, I had always thought it was:
Nurgle
Khorne
Tzeentch
Slaanesh
as per 4th ed Rulebook - I'll have to look up the page quote tbh though.
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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 17:43:11
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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-Loki- wrote:Show me where GW have stated other gods that still exist aside from the 4 Chaos Gods and Mork and Gork.
Cegorach and Isha, to name a couple.
As far as I know Necoho and some other minor Chaos Gods have not been retconned out. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kain wrote:
What orks believe is literally true. So Ork myth is usually more like Ork reality.
Which is why so many Waaaghs!, full of belligerent Orks that think they are the ultimate shiznit, end up being entirely crushed to pieces by the Imperium or some other jerk.
Were one to take that story literally, Nurgle would be dead, yet he isn't, therefore it isn't true.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 18:11:47
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Roarin' Runtherd
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The most powerful thing in 40k is gork and possibly mork.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 18:21:49
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Void__Dragon wrote: -Loki- wrote:Show me where GW have stated other gods that still exist aside from the 4 Chaos Gods and Mork and Gork.
Cegorach and Isha, to name a couple.
As far as I know Necoho and some other minor Chaos Gods have not been retconned out.
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Kain wrote:
What orks believe is literally true. So Ork myth is usually more like Ork reality.
Which is why so many Waaaghs!, full of belligerent Orks that think they are the ultimate shiznit, end up being entirely crushed to pieces by the Imperium or some other jerk.
Were one to take that story literally, Nurgle would be dead, yet he isn't, therefore it isn't true.
Who says that Nurgle's death conditions are the same as people? Given how Plague Marines can survive injuries that should kill them I see no reason why Nurgle can't survive a massive ass kicking.
And given that Ork belief has real, tangilable effects on reality, with blue things really being lucky, red really going faster, yellow making tangilably larger explosions, and purple orks being more stealthy to name a few things I'd say that the combined effect of the overwhelming majority of Ork kind worshipping Gork and Mork and saying they're the strongest there is makes them superior to gods inadvertently created by Humanity and the Eldar.
Ork emotion and belief pretty much solely powers Gork and Mork in the same way that Tyranid thoughts solely fuel the Hive Mind. And Orks outnumber pretty much every other sentient species put together, ergo, any warp creation of the Orks is more powerful than anything borne of Man or Eldar.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 19:03:05
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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There is a great deal of difference between red vehicles going a little faster and Gork and Mork eating Nurgle.
The very citation addresses the story as a myth.
Your only cited source is invalid.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 19:31:22
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
somewhere in the northern side of the beachball
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TiamatRoar wrote:Ork belief can't change history.
What would be needed in this case is a word-for-word citation of the Nurgle and Khorne incidents, really (allegedly there's an incident where Gork and Mork beat Khorne, too, if only due to a sucker punch by Mork. However, again, I haven't seen a word-for-word citation on this).
Actually ork belief can change history.
ork dex p. 29
Waaagh! Grizgutz
Also known as the Lost Waaagh!, it was lead into the Morloq system in 978.M41 by Ork Warlord Grizgutz, a noted kleptomaniac. Due to a strange accident of Warp-travel he returned in system earlier then he launched the Waaagh! itself. Grizlutz murdered his doppelgänger to have a spare of his favourite gun and a resulting confusion stopped the Waaagh! in its tracks.
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Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.
If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/17 22:55:51
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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The Warp acting up =/= Ork belief changing history.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/18 04:21:47
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Hollerin' Herda with Squighound Pack
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I am going to say a ork that believes he is the strongest in the universe and unkillable...
orks are the strongest psychers in the galaxy but 2 stupid to realize it, they change the physics of things just because they beleive it to be true (red ones move the fastest) somewhere it states that when a space marine picks up a ork's gun not only does it not fire ut it would break into peices, which then the peices would be picked up by other orks and continue to fire normaly.
so if a ork truly beleived he was unstopable he would just change the physics around him and regarding him to makehimself that way.
more serious answer
any of the gods, they are truthfuly all about equal in power so if they fought there wouldn't eally be one victor i think
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/18 05:28:31
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Ah hell not that gak again...
Imperial Guardsmen use Orks weapon often, they're unreliable and pretty beat up but they'll work better than nothing
Their psychic thing makes thing works better, but not transform a wooden stick into a power weapon or make Zurglurb the Irrevelant ork boy invincible because he thinks he is
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/18 06:15:29
Subject: Most powerful single being in 40k?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Except Chaos has existed for less than forty thousand years and the Orks have existed for over sixty million.
And Chaos is primarily fueled by humanity which is drastically outnumbered by Ork kind.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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