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I played a battle last night where my opponent brought a bastion. Instead of constructing it normally, he placed 2 heavy bolters into the firing points on one side in addition to the normal heavy bolter on that side already. I looked it up in the BRB and it said they are "typically on each facing" so I dropped it and just played through it.

Is this allowed in tournaments though? Could a person run a bastion and put it together differently so that 3 heavy bolters are focused one 1 side or do they have to be on each facing?



Also - I remember reading on here that the guns are hull mounted and thus have a 15 degree firing arc but I couldn't find that in the BRB last night - can someone point me to where that ruling is?

Since that's literally modeling for advantage I'd ask the TO at a tournament (and be surprised if it was allowed).

It's a 45 degree arc for hull mounted weapons - page 72

I take the same approach you did and wouldn't disallow it if I were TO, but I'm not, so ask.

That doesn't sound like a legitimate configuration of the building so I would disallow it. That's blatant modeling for advantage.

Next thing you know they'll put the sponson mounted guns on the front of predators.

But always ask your TO, regardless. Only they can make the ruling.

DiabloSpawn33 wrote:
That doesn't sound like a legitimate configuration of the building so I would disallow it. That's blatant modeling for advantage.

Next thing you know they'll put the sponson mounted guns on the front of predators.

But always ask your TO, regardless. Only they can make the ruling.

It is MFA but it is legitimate design. As you'll note from the Bastion entry and quoted in the OP, the entry says, " typically one on each side." Typically is not always and the player is perfectly within his rights to model as mentioned as defined by the entry, as not being a "typical" bastion, but still a perfectly valid bastion.

But as you said, the TO is the only one who can make a call.


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Also, putting the sponson guns on the front would mean they are no longer sponsons.

A bastion with all the guns pointing forward is a bit of a grey area, but perfectly legal. There is no specific format that the bastion needs to be constructed as, unlike with a typical model. (in fact you are encouraged to alter them as you see fit in order to incorporate them into your army)

I'd say it's a bit shady but until there is a specific way they are supposed to be built, it's not MFA.

pure TFG move. don't be that guy...

and you're opening a really old can of worms with regard to MFA. soon, we will have people claiming youndon't have to assemble models at all. better kill it now before it gets.too ugly...

MFA is a touchy subject. I saw a guy at a tournament that modeled his landraider as a giant (GIANT) altar to Khorne. HUNDREDS of skulls piled higher and deeper. Statues and effigies all down the sides and at the top was a spinning dias that also housed the four barrels of its twin-linked lascannons, styled as spikes jutting forward as the jaw of the giant skull that made up the dias and held a priest making sacrifices.

The model was GORGEOUS, but technically he'd given his lascannons a 360 degree arc of fire. Do I try to peg him on that, or accept the model as-is?

I doubt the guy thought "how can I make these lascannons able to shoot better", and more along the lines of "crap...now where do I put the guns...." halfway through his modeling project. But there's other instances (crouching wraithlord, etc).

My bastion is made with two kits and is double-wide because I liked the L-shaped look of the bastion in the books for planetstrike. Means it has two bolters on two of the sides. I wasn't modeling for advantage, it's just bigger. In practice I just say a couple of the guns are inoperative. *shrugs*.

In the case of that land raider a reasonable compromise would have been to just indicate that the model looks awesome, but that LOS for the guns should be from where the lascannons are on a normal land raider. Or just roll with it using the 'rule-of-cool'.

This case is slightly different; it's more equivalent to your example above if landraiders didn't have a default build-pattern and you were told that the lascannons were 'typically' mounted on side sponsons or what have you. Typically leaves a lot of lee-way for 'non-typical' variants.

I agree that it's likely a shady move; but that also depends on the reasons the model was modelled the way it was and so is un-debatably subjective.