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I am struggling with my Blood Angels. I never stacked tanks so I cannot field multiples of them. Could someone point me to a proper direction.

I have been thinking of fielding following, points level is not an issue now:

HQ:
Librarian on a bike

Troops:
10 man assault squad in a pod (combat squadding, flamers and plasma)
10 man assault squad in a pod (combat squadding, flamers and plasma)

Elite:
Furioso Dreadnought in a pod (heavy flamer)
5 man Sternguard in a pod (plasma? melta? flamers?)
Chaplain on a bike

FA:
6 bikes
3 assault bikes
3 land speeders

Heavy support:
Tri-Las or twin-link las Predator
Whirlwind

This comes to around 1800-1900 points.

What I have available:
Besides the unique HQ choices, some chaplains, 2 sanguinary priests, 5 sanguinary guards, 30 tacticals (still in blue), 5 sternguard, 20 assault marines, a horde of devastators (15+ with various guns), 5 TH/SS terms, 5 claw terms, ~20 terminators (incl. libby, captain), some scouts with shotguns/cc.
Stormraven, 8 bikers (as above), 3 assault bikes, 3 land speeders, predator, 3 rhino/razorback/whirlwind, 2 land raiders, 4 drop pods, 1 vindicator, 3 dreadnoughts (switchable sets).

Maybe I am forgetting something important, but that's about it. I am not happy about the thought of fielding any rhino/razorbacks, they just tend to be shot leaving your troops in the open. So why not just put them immediately where you actually want them?

My idea is to pod the dreadnought + assault squad in turn 1, leaving the pod in between me and enemy or just disembark all in front of the enemy. Bikes, speeders would rush forward while the two tanks provide support.

Competitive Blood Angels in 6th look like vanilla marines.

That is my thought, too. Will use C:SM. In the meantime I wonder if BA are viable in any form.

Naw wrote:
That is my thought, too. Will use C:SM. In the meantime I wonder if BA are viable in any form.

It appears that the quest goes on.
As a core I'd still take small Assault Marine squads in Razorbacks or Rhino. First blood and kill points are not part of our RTTs. So transports are still viable in our local meta.

Because the current meta seems to be a bunch of gun lines, I'd try something counter productive like
furioso dread
A couple units of 2 attack bikes
Devastation w/ missle
10 th/ss termies and a preist unit
Death company drop pod
Death company dread drop pod
Maybe meph and another Libby for prescience of those devs as aa

Until they release a new codex, 6th ed BA are not very competative.

Good units:
Bikes + MM
Bikes + Sanguinary Priest
Assault Bikes + MM
Sternguard + Combi-Melta + Pod, combat squad when they hit, try to blow up two tanks. Also, try not to get them killed immediately... hard to do.
Fragnaught is pretty ok.

I have pretty good success with LRC, chap, SP, and 10 man ASM, with flamers. Everyone that can have an axe, has an axe.

Really, BA is in a tough spot and for me, will be either Imperial Fists or Ultramaries until a new codex comes out.

Oh, and I know people aren't fond of whirlwinds, but with a severe lack of bodies on the field, pie plates can help even the odds.. a little.

Worms

I can't remember where it was but somebody posted a BA list with 4 stormravens that did really well.

Perhaps that is the way to go. I think it even had BT allies.

Mephiston

lots of assault marines with melta guns

sanguinary guard unit

baal predators flame or ac both good

storm raven with furioso blood talon dread and mephiston in it

just a few ideas, im at work so cant make a proper list atm

Funnily enough, I do not know the fluff for any of the marine chapters I'll wait for the codex and then choose my chapter.


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How do you play Mephiston, him not being IC? Try to get him assault anything, I suppose, but won't that get him killed quite fast?

I am not fond of Whirlwinds myself, but I am trusting my 3+ against them. I have been adviced to have at least one to support my assault units, so go figure.

Admiral General Aladeen wrote:
Mephiston

lots of assault marines with melta guns

sanguinary guard unit

baal predators flame or ac both good

storm raven with furioso blood talon dread and mephiston in it

just a few ideas, im at work so cant make a proper list atm

Putting anything in a SR is just asking to lose those models. When talking about Storm Raven transport capacity Admiral Ackbar comes to mind...


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Naw wrote:
Funnily enough, I do not know the fluff for any of the marine chapters I'll wait for the codex and then choose my chapter.


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How do you play Mephiston, him not being IC? Try to get him assault anything, I suppose, but won't that get him killed quite fast?

I am not fond of Whirlwinds myself, but I am trusting my 3+ against them. I have been adviced to have at least one to support my assault units, so go figure.

Mephiston is quite tough to kill for most enemies, though his sword being only AP3 has taken some of the bite out of him. As an HQ he can really put the hurt on alot of units.




Competetive BA will look like C:SM with some BA allies. They should be viable there, as a core codex they took the edition changer harder than most and need an update which comes in the form of C:SM.

Putting anything in a SR is just asking to lose those models. When talking about Storm Raven transport capacity Admiral Ackbar comes to mind...

meph is t6, only thing that can happen to him in a sr is the loss of a single wound and the furioso will likely also survive a crash landing.

Mephs job is to take out infantry, anything with 3+ saves that doesnt have power fists or ap 2 melee weapons in the squad, if he has melee weapons challenge the model that does it either dies or doesnt attack in combat, win win.

Admiral General Aladeen wrote:

Putting anything in a SR is just asking to lose those models. When talking about Storm Raven transport capacity Admiral Ackbar comes to mind...

meph is t6, only thing that can happen to him in a sr is the loss of a single wound and the furioso will likely also survive a crash landing.

Mephs job is to take out infantry, anything with 3+ saves that doesnt have power fists or ap 2 melee weapons in the squad, if he has melee weapons challenge the model that does it either dies or doesnt attack in combat, win win.

Zooming. That Dreadnought takes an S10 to rear armor. And this plan keeps Meph off the board and out of combat until T3/4. I don't see where this plan is the best idea.

I think this discussion starts with defining competitive in relative terms; perhaps the local FLGS circuit or a small RTT.

That being said, I could see a couple ways. If the meta is flier-light, or AA light, I could see Stormraven spam having some merit. Not laden with nasty assault units, but rather small scoring JP assault marines who can Skies of Blood down on objectives late after the Ravens spend the game dakka-ing away and people. This list would work similar to a Necron Air list.

Another option would be a meta buster of cheaper Land Raiders laden with Non-JP assault marines. Spam them; benefit from lack of Melta in this meta and dominate the board, being impervious to most fire.

5th ed. style mech spam I just can't see working with the amount of S6+7 out there. A wall of AV13 predators and Baals could be decent, but only just.

That's my .02 anyway.

A nurgle list!

Our meta still likes melta and I face both Eldar and Tau, so AA is covered. Maybe I should try 4 assault squads in 4 LR's supported by 3 Whirlwinds and 3 land speeders (flamers) and 3 attack bikes (melta). Fun list?

Naw wrote:
Our meta still likes melta and I face both Eldar and Tau, so AA is covered. Maybe I should try 4 assault squads in 4 LR's supported by 3 Whirlwinds and 3 land speeders (flamers) and 3 attack bikes (melta). Fun list?

Give what I said a shot, the worst that can happen is you lose horribly but hey you had fun doing it
If they run gun lines I personally think its the way to go.

I've been playing my JP assault list and doing fairly well above 50% win/loss.

Libby w/JP
2x 10 assault squads w/JP meltaguns, Pf
1x 10 assault squad w/JP flamers, hand flamer, PW
9 DC w/ Lemartes JP, 2 PF
3 Sang Priests w/JP PW
1 Sang Priest w/bike PW
3 assault bikes w/MM
Furioso Librarian Wings/shield
3 LC/LC Predators

Weak against fliers, but its fast and aggressive. The Predators and MM attack bikes have been money.