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I play a World Eater Khorne army and I'm not sure how I should fit them out. Right now I take a squad of five, fitted with 2 power axes, 2 power fists, 1 chain fist, and one reaper autocannon. Along with an icon of wraith so I can get the charge re rolls. Is there any way I should set them up or is this pretty standard?

The standard loadout to make them effective seems to be, keep 'em cheap and give them combi-weapons to cause massive damage by Deep Striking in, then expect them to die. While a nice idea, I can see another that's not quite so thoroughly fluff-murdering in your case - sticking them in a Land Raider.

The idea is to give them weapons to take down hard targets that your Berzerkers might otherwise struggle with, so power axes, fists and chainfists are perfect for their combination of high Strength and AP, and being Terminators they're much more likely to survive long enough to strike as most (not all!) attacks that strike before Initiative 1 aren't AP2 as well.

The trouble is... even against other 2+ save units, Berzerkers will usually put out more than enough dice to just drown these units with enough wounds that they will roll a bunch of ones anyway, and they can effectively take on other targets to boot. Not to mention, the Heavy Support slot can get crowded and Land Raiders are usually better off carrying your slightly more vulnerable Berzerkers up front quickly anyway.

A compromise between the two approaches could be to give them combi-meltas along with a couple of fists/chainfists, and specifically send them after vehicles and in particular walkers. These are the only targets the unit will be able to reliably take down that Berzerkers will have issues with, and if you're canny about Deep Striking them in (or your opponent doesn't see it coming and deploys all funny) you may be able to use the combis without much risk in the turn after before they get to charge in.

In all cases - I think you're safe to drop the Reaper. It doesn't really tie in with the rest of the unit's weapons.

Heavy Flamer would probably be better in this type of army.
But the best rules for Chaos Termies are KIS and KIC.
Keep it simple, keep it cheap.

This. Keep'em cheap and give them combi-guns.

What is KIS and KIC? And are lightning claws a good choice?

KIS and KIC mean keep it simple and keep it cheap

Is the Icon of Wraith a good choice? It's kind of on the expensive side of the upgrades but I feel like it saves me a lot heart ache when I roll a bad charge. Also, should I fit the terminator champion with a power sword or a power fist? Would I want them to have a higher or lower initiative?

They fit best on the shelf.

I'd actually disagree. Terminators are expensive - you've got to make sure you can get the most out of them. For just a few more points on top of an already big sum you can round them out nicely.

I mean, 5x MoK termies with a pair of power fists and an IoW costs 211 points... and can't do a damn thing outside of close combat. If you up that to only 231 points (barely any more), and you can take down a flier or monstrous creature in a single volley once per game. That's an awful lot of utility for a relatively tiny price hike.

There's no point in making them a little bit cheaper if it makes them much worse relative to the amount of points you save.

 Ailaros wrote:
If you up that to only 231 points (barely any more)

So what would you give them to bump it up that many points? Meltas?

Sure. Or plasmas. Whatever.

With just combi-bolters, you're not doing anything that the rest of you army can't handle. With good combi-weapons and a couple of power fists, terminators can handle anything.

I use one CF, One PF, a sword, an axe and a LC on the Champion. FOr their guns I use a HF, One Combi-melta and three Combi-plasma,

I always take combi-meltas/flamers/plasma. Sometimes that first shot is all you get and might not even make it into close combat. If you spend points, spend it on guns.

It does depend on what roll you want them to fill.

Most people use them a suicide unit, to blast a tank or unit with Combi weapons. In that case keep them cheap. 3 Termi's with combi plasma/flamer/melta is the best load out. Forgot the CC upgrades, stick with the power mauls for smashing rear armor & pesky xenos.
38 points per dude is pretty reasonable. Your opponent either has to deal with them or let them roam about causing a ruckus.

If you'd want to use them for CC I feel the best way to do this is take Huron Blackheart for his Warlord Trait or a Slaanesh Lord on a Steed attached to the unit to gain the Outflank USR. Its cheaper, more reliable than taking a Land Raider & you can a take more than 5 guys.

As for the weapon load out, it depends on the meta you play in. Lots of SM players, Power Swords & Dual Lighting Claws are your friends. Power Mauls wreak Xenos & MCs. Armour, Chainfists. Mutil wound T4 units, Power Fists

I'm not to keen on the Power Axe since its not as reliable to wound as a power fist but its free.
The best thing to do is try & either build the squad to deal with a certain unit & total wipe it out or go for a balanced load out to deal with most units.

I think I'll try 1 power sword for the champion, 2 power axes, 2 power fists, and 4 combi-meltas to begin with. Seems like a pretty good set up. I'll see how it works and change it from there if it needs it

Take Huron and Infiltrate them with the Icon or Wrath.

 whitedragon wrote:
Take Huron and Infiltrate them with the Icon or Wrath.

Wow, that's absolutely brutal

I fit mine up with lightning claws and MoS in a land raider. Against MEQ it just wreaks face, but TH/SS termies are a pretty hard counter. Plus with the land raider you put a dirge caster so no pesky overwatch


Edit; also gave them the FNP banner for added pain

Deiyos wrote:

 whitedragon wrote:
Take Huron and Infiltrate them with the Icon or Wrath.

Wow, that's absolutely brutal

Well, it is and it isn't. They're going to be a HUGE fire magnet when used in this way. You've got to have something else to be up there with them to take off the heat or they'll just be killed right away. Sort of like how people shunt dreadknights forward turn 1, and then wonder why they are killed before they get a chance to do anything.

Ss5fenix wrote:
I fit mine up with lightning claws and MoS in a land raider. Against MEQ it just wreaks face, but TH/SS termies are a pretty hard counter. Plus with the land raider you put a dirge caster so no pesky overwatch


Edit; also gave them the FNP banner for added pain

one of my favorite combos. ends up at damn near 500 pts, with the landraider and all. i also put my LoS with LCs in there. end up with like 10+ LC attacks in close combat, with 2+, 5++, FnP and no overwatch.
MEQ die like little girls.

Deiyos wrote:
I play a World Eater Khorne army and I'm not sure how I should fit them out. Right now I take a squad of five, fitted with 2 power axes, 2 power fists, 1 chain fist, and one reaper autocannon. Along with an icon of wraith so I can get the charge re rolls. Is there any way I should set them up or is this pretty standard?

didnt we just have a thread on this yesterday?

Anyway

You want Khorne. MoK and Icon of Wrath is nice. FC is ok but the rerolls to charge distance are awesome.
Icon of vengence might be another option. Ld 9(10 with vets) termites still can be pinned, broken, or swept. I doubt you will want to gtg.

Take VotLW, you need the LD buff and you want the rerolls on all those attacks to make sure you dont end up breaking.

I would save the power fists for another day. str8 just isnt worth that much. With FC your axes are already str6. 1 powerfist/chainfist is debatable but again you only need 1.

As for the champion, he has to take more expensive upgrades, so I would give him either a sword(to punk the occational power ax fist meq) or an ax to deal with other Teq.

Single Lightning claws are great, especilly if you arent counting on FC.

Normally I am all about the TAC power maul, but with FC thrown in, you might find uses for power swords.

Of the 5, I would run Champion Sword, 2 axes, 1 maul, 1LC. If you have the points you can swap the maul for a powerfist/chainfist, or swap one of the axes for it.

The reaper autocannon continues to get worse and more expensive. I wouldnt run it. I would go pure combis, 4 plasma 1 melta. Drop down and light something up. Keep the melta for a potential transport you want to charge the contents later.

Well, the termie champ does have terminator armor, so he can survive long enough to take a fist. A fist that will make sure he has the chance to do more damage to those scarier things, or at least cause instant death against all those non-EW characters with a powerfist or thunderhammer.

And the other thing you need with khorne terminators are guns, because your opponents are going to be trying as hard as possible to stay out of close combat with them, which means you've got to have a backup.

Whats the best way to deploy a big 10man squad? Deepstriking is very guts or glory, and 350ish points is a lot to lose on that one mishap. Footslogging is slow. Huronfiltration seems to be the way to go, but needs... huron.

 Ailaros wrote:

Deiyos wrote:

 whitedragon wrote:
Take Huron and Infiltrate them with the Icon or Wrath.

Wow, that's absolutely brutal

Well, it is and it isn't. They're going to be a HUGE fire magnet when used in this way. You've got to have something else to be up there with them to take off the heat or they'll just be killed right away. Sort of like how people shunt dreadknights forward turn 1, and then wonder why they are killed before they get a chance to do anything.

Fire magnet = 5 x Spawn w/ MoN (15 T6 fearless wounds take a lot of shooting to kill), ready to assault turn 2.

Huron gets turn 2 charges in. Hell, I've gotten a turn 1 charge in with huron-infiltrated terminators before.

You can't charge T1 is you infiltrated, IIRC, but I could be wrong.

You can if you don't go first and your opponent moves towards you. The prohibition is on charging in the first player turn, not the first game turn.

And yeah, my opponent wouldn't make that mistake again.

Why would you not infiltrate a LR full of MoK terminators ?
Throw in a couple of cheap dreads, and your opponent will not be able to shoot everything down.

I did that to great success (but the LR was filled with Abby and MoK chosens).

 Seb wrote:
Why would you not infiltrate a LR full of MoK terminators ?
Throw in a couple of cheap dreads, and your opponent will not be able to shoot everything down.

I did that to great success (but the LR was filled with Abby and MoK chosens).

Huron's trait only allows you to infilatrate "Infantry" units. So no tanks, cavalry, walkers or anything that isn't a little man on foot.

True, but Huron can make a squad of MoK terminators infiltrate, and terminators can take a land raider as a dedicated transport, which means that the land raider can infiltrate.

Pretty much guaranteed a turn 2 charge by terminators on that one.