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With advent of new Apocalypse book, with all it's rule changes and re-release of some formations,
can we still use formations/units that predate current Apocalypse book but were NOT re-released in it?
This includes formations from old Apocalypse books, GW website (for those who saved them) and published in White Dwarf.
Examples would include CSM Great brass scorpion (SH from IMPERIAL ARMOR APOCALYPSE 2 ) and Hounds of huron (formation from Apocalypse reloaded).

I dunno can you use old secound eddition codexes?

You can, but..

...they might not be compatible or have glaring rules issues.
...tournaments might have ruled you can only use the most recent release (most do).
...they are likely to be underpowered compared to modern codices.

Considering Apocalypse is not a tournament-legal book, go crazy. Apocalypse is for fun.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Considering Apocalypse is not a tournament-legal book, go crazy. Apocalypse is for fun.

This is YMDC where we discuss what the rules actually say, not whether we should use rules or not. The fact that Apocalypse isn't often used in tournaments doesn't have anything to do with what the rules for playing Apocalypse say.

Also, there is no such thing as a "tournament-legal book" because GW does not provide rules for running tournaments. Which books can be used in a tournament depends entirely on what the third-party TO running the event decides to allow.

 Shandara wrote:
You can, but..

...they might not be compatible or have glaring rules issues.
...tournaments might have ruled you can only use the most recent release (most do).
...they are likely to be underpowered compared to modern codices.

Show me this Apocalypse tournament. Though if they're getting anal about these things then it might not be worth going to

 Dakkamite wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
You can, but..

...they might not be compatible or have glaring rules issues.
...tournaments might have ruled you can only use the most recent release (most do).
...they are likely to be underpowered compared to modern codices.

Show me this Apocalypse tournament. Though if they're getting anal about these things then it might not be worth going to

Me and some friends had campaigns.. but iv'e never ever heard about tournaments for apoc

 Peregrine wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Considering Apocalypse is not a tournament-legal book, go crazy. Apocalypse is for fun.

This is YMDC where we discuss what the rules actually say, not whether we should use rules or not. The fact that Apocalypse isn't often used in tournaments doesn't have anything to do with what the rules for playing Apocalypse say.

Also, there is no such thing as a "tournament-legal book" because GW does not provide rules for running tournaments. Which books can be used in a tournament depends entirely on what the third-party TO running the event decides to allow.

sigh...

My point is that since Apocalypse is a "for-fun" endeavor, restrictions are not too harsh or enforced. No FOC, ally with almost anything, etc. If a group wishes to play Apoc with the old book, why not?

Stop being so literal. Have some fun.

Did I misphrazed my question?
The question was not about playing with old apoc book's apoc rules (4 turns, 6 objectives, etc), but with old formations/superheavies, that were not yet re-released under new apoc rules and their most-recent rules are in the old book.

for simplicity's sake, you may want to stick with the new book, but if there is a formation in the old book that you like and your buddies don't mind, sure, why not? This isn't a tournament setting where current rules are mandated. Apoc is for fun, go crazy!

please excuse Peregrine, he doesn't really understand how Warhammer can be fun...

Although Apocalypse tournaments would be fun...they would take forever to play!

 phatonic wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
You can, but..

...they might not be compatible or have glaring rules issues.
...tournaments might have ruled you can only use the most recent release (most do).
...they are likely to be underpowered compared to modern codices.

Show me this Apocalypse tournament. Though if they're getting anal about these things then it might not be worth going to

Me and some friends had campaigns.. but iv'e never ever heard about tournaments for apoc

Well we had a 2 day escalation-type tournament where the final battle was an Apocalypse. To keep things clear for everyone they asked that everyone use the latest rules for each unit/formation. And to prevent the necessity of having to bring a truck-load of imperial armour books.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
for simplicity's sake, you may want to stick with the new book, but if there is a formation in the old book that you like and your buddies don't mind, sure, why not? This isn't a tournament setting where current rules are mandated. Apoc is for fun, go crazy!

please excuse Peregrine, he doesn't really understand how Warhammer can be fun...

And YOU don't understand what this forum is for, evidently.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
sigh...
My point is that since Apocalypse is a "for-fun" endeavor, restrictions are not too harsh or enforced. No FOC, ally with almost anything, etc. If a group wishes to play Apoc with the old book, why not?
Stop being so literal. Have some fun.

Well yeah, it's like that with everything in Warhammer.
But YMDC is not just pure rule-lawyering, it's also to know the "standard".
So if you go to a new group you know "what to expect".

If we really look at the way things work, I don't think you can use the old formations. Nor can you use the old Strategic Assets.
Just like you cannot use wargear from an old codex if the new version removed it, or using old rules if 6th edition removed it.

But I fully support anyone who house-rules that you can use them.
(Except for the old Assets, I really hated those)

I guess it would be dependent on who you'll be playing with at the end of the day, for our group we're allowing old sheets, however if a sheet has received an update there's no using the old version. Also old formations that gave strategic assets must be played as high command as the new edition seems to have put much more of a limiter on the number of assets that can be in play.

I imagine officially one is meant to stop using old sheets but I know there'd be more than one player in our group less than pleased to see doomsday devices and silver towers disappear, and I know I would hate not to be able to use my plague tower. Most of the vehicles at least convert over perfectly comfortably, just email ahead if you're unsure.