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so this is my tournament list for a local event this Saturday, feedback appreciated!

HQ:
Huron Blackheart (warlord) 160

Chaos lord 180
-Juggernaut
-Axe of blind fury
-Sigil
-Mark of Khorne
-Gift

Troops:
CSM 215
x10 Rhino
-melta/ Lascannon
-Veterans

Cultists 119
x20
-17 Autoguns
-2x flamers
-shotgun

Elites:
Terminators (huron here) 158
x4 Land raider (dozerblades) 225
-x4 PM
-x3 combie melta
-combie flamer
-Mark of khorne

Heavy support:
Obliterators 237
x3
Nurgle/ Vets

Fast attack:
2x Heldrake
-Baleflamer

Bikers 214
x7
-2x meltagun
-Mark of Khorne
-Banner of wrath
-Power sword

You're spending 1/5th of your points on just a single lascannon. I'd dress up those troops choices a bit. Also, with MoK bikers, a blind fury lord, those obliterators, and huron, I don't see why you also need those helldrakes.

yeah I was on the fence about the second heldrake for sure, easily opens up for more space marines.

Because you always need helldrakes

 Ailaros wrote:
You're spending 1/5th of your points on just a single lascannon. I'd dress up those troops choices a bit. Also, with MoK bikers, a blind fury lord, those obliterators, and huron, I don't see why you also need those helldrakes.

It's the best unit in the codex. Khorne bikers, Juggerlords, Obliterators, and Hurons can't vector strike, regain lost hull points / wounds, or roast infantry with an S6 AP3 torrent template weapon.

We all get it - you don't like Vendettas and Heldrakes. Denying that they are among the best weapons in their respective codices is equivalent to covering your ears, closing your eyes, and saying LALALALALALALALA.

But that's my point, you don't NEED them. Helldrakes in this list is like giving heavy bolters to guardsmen. They might be better than their lasguns, but they're unecessary, so you take other things instead.

If you want to build a helldrake list, where the helldrakes are the only thing that handles your anti-MEq, then thats fine, but then the OP needs to max helldrakes and then stop wasting points on anti-MEq with everything else. If the list revolves around helldrakes, then everything not a helldrake needs to be able to handle the GEq, TEq, MCs and AV12+ vehicles that the helldrakes are hopeless against.

Because how things are right now, the list only does one thing particularly well - Anti-MEq. It's going to struggle pretty badly against anything that isn't... well... his own list.

Fawning over fanboy units isn't an excuse for bad list building.

Maybe we aren't reading the same list. Every unit there besides the cultists and the heldrakes has AP2 weapons and/or melta guns.

It isn't an amazing list, mostly because of the Land raider but it has tools to handle teq, MCs and av12+.

You have waaaay too little scoring troops. After your CSM and cultists die, you will not win a game.

Also, meltagun/lascannon combo on CSM will mean one weapon always out of use. Badly matched range. Either lascannon + plasma and no rhino, or 2 x meltaguns + rhino is what I think.

+Vote for more scoring, +vote for less Heldrakes.

Ailaros wins with logic, planning, and cold hard facts where others lose due to misguided faith. Ailaros is Batman.