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I recently bought a pot of Imperial Primer, but am beginning to wonderif I should have gotten more Chaos Black instead. I found the paint to be rather watery, only slightly more solid than shade paints/inks, so it doesn't show on the model except in recesses. Is this how the paint is meant to be, or is this a bad pot?
   
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I don't thin it's a bad pot I've heard from others that the Imperial primer is very watery.

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Leicheberg

Mine seemed this way also until I stirred it really well. The pigment was all in the bottom.

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I've viciously shaken mine, but maybe stirring will do the trick. I managed to coat the better part of a cultist's arm in it, but I felt it was too watery to work well for the rest of the model. I'll give the stirring a try, though.
   
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You need to shake / stirr that pot like a mad man. First time I shook it like a normal paint, it was exactly like you describe it.

Second time after said madness, worked like a charm.

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 TheDraconicLord wrote:
You need to shake / stirr that pot like a mad man. First time I shook it like a normal paint, it was exactly like you describe it.

Second time after said madness, worked like a charm.


This. You must shake it like nobody's business. I would probably shake for like 10-15 mins. or so. If you don't it comes out all watery and with very little pigment.

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Also try putting something in to agitate the paint like a spray can. Ball bearings or small CLEAN pebbles work well for this
   
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I tried imperial and it was really thin and kind of rubbish. You shouldn't have bought it.

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I've found that it's thin and rubbish, i've actually used it as a wash lol, and ive not had to thin it down to paint onto sand.



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With finecast you can bypass the washing stage and throw them straight into the bin.

Or cut out the middleman and just flush some money down the toilet.
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My imperial primer had a bunch of like little balls of paint, I had to really shake the crap out of it, and stir it up trying to crush all the little balls at the bottoms in order to get mine to work properly.
   
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 Shenloanne wrote:
I've found that it's thin and rubbish, i've actually used it as a wash lol, and ive not had to thin it down to paint onto sand.


It makes a good ink.

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I can remember the days when I was a kid and I used Chaos Black to undercoat my miniatures and even then before I knew that Chaos Black paint-from-the-pot was not a primer and suitable undercoat unlike the Chaos Black spray. But even way back then, I have to write to tell you guys how terrible a pot of Imperial Primer can be. Since 1994 with the launch of the new Blood Bowl boxed set and when I got my Warhammer Fantasy 4th ed. Goblins and High Elves boxed set, I have not seen an inferior product that I totally abhor until I met Imperial Primer. Imperial Primer needs to be given its last Rites and then sentenced to death by bolter just like how volatile neophyte psykers of the Imperium are subjected to. Games Workshop's supplier who handles Imperial Primer really screwed up big on this.

You see, the reason why so many of you on the Internet (I have been searching all over the net to find out about my initial problems with the primer) are facing a 'black wash-like' effect is because the pigments are all clogged up (and sank and solidified) at the bottom. Thus the solution to this is to stir with a straightened paper clip or to shake vigorously. Other methods include placing little ball bearings or little metal objects in the paint pot in order to aid with the mixing and dispersing of pigment into the dispersal medium while shaking. I have read that some even go as far to add a thinning agent within in order salvage the primer.

But in short, there is little that you can do to salvage the primer due to the supplier manufacturer's mixing process. The mixing and balance between pigment and dispersal medium comes down to the supplier manufacturer's side which is why Imperial Primer fails badly when it comes to the 'scratch test' even after stirring/shaking/etc. The pigments are not properly dispersed and thus creates the lumpy clumps that many experience after attempting to salvage the primer. Basically, the people that say 'Imperial Primer sucks', 'never buy it', etc. are right in the fact that the Imperial Primer is terrible right from production.

IMHO, the new Citadel paint range launched in 2012 is great and works alongside well with Vallejo Game Color and The Army Painter ranges, but I have to really call out Imperial Primer and GW should rectify this. I suggest you to try The Army Painter Matt Black if you are wanting to prime your miniatures by hand.
   
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Leicheberg

Since I gave mine a proper stir (and yes, added a little water) it has worked fine.

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 Verd_Warr wrote:
Since I gave mine a proper stir (and yes, added a little water) it has worked fine.

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Thanks alot Verd_Warr!

May I ask if your primed miniatures pass a scratch test with fingernail? All my Imperial-primed Ravenbikes even after weeks of being primed are easily scratched off even though I mixed and have the consistency with that of Citadel layer paints.
   
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Leicheberg

Truth to tell, I have never heard of this test. Why would you do it, and is there any acrylic paint that would pass it?

I have not had any issues with paint scratching with normal handling, but I have never purposely tried to scratch it off.

I don't actually do a lot of brush priming (usually spray with Krylon flat black), but the figures I have used Imp Primer on seem fine.

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Well usually a good acrylic paint with a good mix of pigments will be able to withstand a scratch test. Scratch tests are a great way to determine if an acrylic paint is superior or inferior. Chaos Black spray primer and Army Painter Matt Black are splendid and can withstand hard scratching from fingernail and coin.
   
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Leicheberg

Good to know

But, not being a particularly advanced painter and having nothing to compare (I only use Citadel paints atm), don't think I will be going after any of my models with a fingernail or coin at this point. Takes me way too long to get them painted in the first place

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To make it worse: that thing is included in the starter pack of 40k/age of sigmar. Thate one where you have 3 models (space marines and muh fantasy space marines hehe) and 1 brush(but no clipper or something to get the models out of the grid). So you have to prime the COMPLETE model by hand. This is a fething letdown for everyone wanting to start into 40k but try this set first. I bought it out of curiousity, its bad. Also i dont understand why they add no names of the paints on the paint bottles(in that pack, the small ones dont have names).
   
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I've never had issues with it when I mixed it well (that included using a toothpick to stir the pot).

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