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Hi people I am entering a tournament, its semi competitive some people play to win others are playing just for the games. We are playing 1 game a week for 6 weeks then the top X amount of players have a play off. In the last tournament there were 22 players with all of the different armies present. So my army list needs to be as balanced as possible. so lets get down to the nitty gritty

HQ
CCS , Lascannon

Troops
PCS, Flamer X4
Infantry squad, Plasma gun, Auto cannon
Infantry squad, Plasma gun, Auto cannon
Infantry squad, Meltagun, Lascannon
Infantry squad, Meltagun, Lascannon

Veteran squad, Flamer X3, Demolitions, Shotguns X6

Veteran squad, Plasma gun

Fast Attack
Vendetta

Valkyrie, MRP

Heavy Support
LR vanquisher, Lascannon, Plasma cannons

LR Exterminator, H Bolters all around

ADL with quad gun

Allied Eldar

HQ
Autarch, Fusion gun, Banshee mask, Power weapon

Troops
Dire Avengers X10, Exarch, Dire sword

Fast Attack
Warp Spiders X7, Spinneret rifle, fast shot

This tops off at 1823pt. I dont really need to include the eldar I might swap them for SM or keep an all IG army but I do like the warp spiders.

So what do you think? let the shredding begin :-)

Well, whats the reason for choosing Eldar?

Space Marines seem to be the better fit because of being Battle Brothers. If your intent is to maximize pshchic powers like Prescience (on a blob squad of 20, 30, or 40 guardsmen) then with Space Marines you can achive the same result since Libarians have access to Divination. Eldar can't cast on IG and SM can.

Ouch 20-40 guardsmen reroll misses I shutter to think what the possible damage could be under First Rank Second Rank Fire

Honestly I dont know? I have just got the new codex and my brothers army has been sitting gathering dust so I thought I would dig them out and have a go.

The space marines would be a better fit but what chapter? I only have marines no vehicles or any special units for them at all. They would add a bit of resilience to the army.

In my opinion, I'd say you'll be fine with vanillia/Ultramarine marines as allies. Here are some suggested changes however you will need to min-max the points since I do not have a book in front of me. I'm sure many here would disagree, so take my suggestions lightly.

Again this is not a real list just a list of suggestions to consider.

Command (maximize bring it down and fire on my target and 1sy rank second rank)
CCS (add stuff only if points allow)
CCS (add stuff only if points allow)

Elites
Storm troopers 2 flamers (if you have any, here is an excellence place for those flamers. You can deep strike and flame units behind heavy cover, most interceptor fire will focus on flyers leaving you alone long enough to flame units in heavy cover)

Troop (consider larger blobs 20 to 30 are the best sized units, anything else is too much)
PCS (add stuff only if points allow)
Infantry squad, Plasma gun, Auto cannon
Infantry squad, Plasma gun, Auto cannon
joined with 1 commisar

Seriously consider Heavy Weapon Squads (more heavy weapons may seem overkill however guardsmen do miss alot)

PCS (add stuff only if points allow)
Infantry squad, Meltagun, Lascannon
Infantry squad, Meltagun, Lascannon
joined with 1 commisar

Vet Squad heavy flamer, 2 flamers, Demo. In a chimera maybe remember to use those smoke launchers (heavey flamers and higher str. with lower AP, and are easy to find and convert to any model I converted 4 to metal Steel Legion models that used to be plasma guns, shotguns only if you have spare points)

Fast Attack
Vendetta
Switch Valkyrie to vendetta unless you already built model as a valkyrie

Heavy Support
Lose all sponsons on Leman Russes unless you already built models and have the weapons permanently glued on. (for example I magnatized mine so I normally just do not put a weapon any more)

Fortification
ADL with Icarus (I prefere the High Strength and Ap to deal with AV 12 flyers with commisars you'll have a desent BS to use with it, Prescience will help as well)

Allies
HQ
Librarian using Divination (one power must be Prescience)

Troops
Marines (here is another place fo you to use flamers to kill stuff behind heavy cover by using a drop pod)

I will have a look at the space marines codex should have it somewhere :-)

I should have explained the list really shouldnt I.


I usually blob my IS in to 20-30 man squads in this case two squads of 20. This means one ccs is sufficient with orders :-/

The flamer vets go in the valkyrie/vendetta (depending on the opposition) and go hunting lonely units or high priority targets (shotguns are free and since they are in flamer/demo charge range the 2 assault is better than rapid fire lasgun).
The pcs sits on the quad gun until a cc squad threatens my lines.

I have really gone off hws since they became a 2w single model. I was looking at the sabers as an alternative tho are they any good?

I like the valkyrie as it can get around behind cover and fire at infantry

I always take sponsons as one weapon destroyed result can take your main gun away leaving you a 170pt bolter. Plus the synergy of the weapons means more shots, hits & wounds.

I usually take a commissar and I will try and shave some points to fit one in. The last tournament I took a commie lord with camo cloak with a 30 man blob behind a adl 3+ cover is just funny lol

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
Well, whats the reason for choosing Eldar?

Space Marines seem to be the better fit because of being Battle Brothers. If your intent is to maximize pshchic powers like Prescience (on a blob squad of 20, 30, or 40 guardsmen) then with Space Marines you can achive the same result since Libarians have access to Divination. Eldar can't cast on IG and SM can.

Ouch 20-40 guardsmen reroll misses I shutter to think what the possible damage could be under First Rank Second Rank Fire

I don't believe C:SM have access to divination, and from the rumors I've read they won't get it.

Wouldnt it be better taking space wolves? Cheaper 10 man squad and two special weapons? I wouldnt be able to fire the heavy weapon effectively on the turn they land and probably wont get to see turn two?

 Ryan_A wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
Well, whats the reason for choosing Eldar?

Space Marines seem to be the better fit because of being Battle Brothers. If your intent is to maximize pshchic powers like Prescience (on a blob squad of 20, 30, or 40 guardsmen) then with Space Marines you can achive the same result since Libarians have access to Divination. Eldar can't cast on IG and SM can.

Ouch 20-40 guardsmen reroll misses I shutter to think what the possible damage could be under First Rank Second Rank Fire

I don't believe C:SM have access to divination, and from the rumors I've read they won't get it.

We are talking aboot sm not c:sm lol

C:sm is codex space marine. CSM is chaos space marine. He knows what dex. He's referring to the new one.

O sorry I didnt know. Well the tournament is starting in the next month so we will still be using the old codex :-)

Maybe I'm Thinking of DA I know one of them has access to divination