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I mean, i am not going to take sides on this particular post, but it is clear that the majority of Dakka dakka has a negative opinion on GW, so my question is, is there a forum where it is the opposite?.

No. All like this.

Try Bell of Lost Souls, I think they ban people who aren't gibbering fanbois/fangirls(yeah right)

I don't think the majority of users are anti GW at all.
Dakka is a pretty good site.

It's a bit of an echo chamber effect.

I'd wager that most folks here are, at the very least, neutral to GW. The problem is that the loudest and most vocal people tend to color the atmosphere, and those vocal people are more vehemently anti-GW.

evilsponge wrote:
Try Bell of Lost Souls, I think they ban people who aren't gibbering fanbois/fangirls(yeah right)

Bols does not count, is not a forum, there is no exchange of ideas, only a handful of people pushing their ideas. Not very representative of their viewer base.

The internet is mainly hate and rage to be honest.. just look at the comments section on news sites, the comments section on Youtube videos, anything even remotely controversial, its a bizarre system whereby everyone feels protceted and their inner arsehole explodes into life. If the fictional safety afforded by cars and vans increases the likelihood of a road rage incident, then the internet is road rage that has just robbed a chemists and is ripped to the tits on special brew and wobbly eggs.

Short answer, there is a right way, and a wrong way to use the internet.

The right way, is to take everything with a pinch of salt, constantly remind yourself that its an illusionary veneer that covers the real world, and try and enjoy yourself by chucking at the occasional piece of real wit or humor you stumble across. The wrong way, is to constantly whine about other users, play favorites and moderate like an enraged milk monitor in an elementary school, and engage in any two way conversations with strangers, when you genuinely don't like hearing an opinion that is different from your own.

Dakka is actually a decent website when you come right down to it, because only about 25% of the users and two of the mods fall into the above category.

I'd suggest you start friending people that you do like listening to, and build your own dakka community around them, rather than try and seek another avenue. I figured I would try warseer after one of needless ban too many, but it seemed plenty of work after I had already befriended people here, 430 posts in you are probably in the same boat.

Short answer, its a decent site, and like life, its what you make of it. Friend people you like, chat with them, engage with them, look at their galleries, add some stuff, socialise and enjoy.

Ignore those that you find contemptible/pathetic/beneath addressing.

Sort of like going to Vegas, it's pretty awesome if you remain blissfully ignorant, but if you look too hard, it can get depressing!

xxvaderxx wrote:
I mean, i am not going to take sides on this particular post, but it is clear that the majority of Dakka dakka has a negative opinion on GW, so my question is, is there a forum where it is the opposite?.

With over 75,000 registered members, the "anti-GW" crowd is a very vocal minority consisting of maybe 250 to 1000 posters in total (no proof, just basing it on who I see post in anti-GW threads). That's a very small number of people that are against GW, it's just they and the pro-GW posters will get into heated tiffs... If someone pro or anti GW comes into a thread and starts lighting the place up with their "knowledge," just tell them that you play what you enjoy.

 mattyrm wrote:
The internet is mainly hate and rage to be honest.. just look at the comments section on news sites, the comments section on Youtube videos, anything even remotely controversial, its a bizarre system whereby everyone feels protceted and their inner arsehole explodes into life. If the fictional safety afforded by cars and vans increases the behaviour of road rage, then the internet is road rage that has just robbed a chemists and is ripped to the tits on special brew and wobbly eggs.

Short answer, there is a right way, and a wrong way to use the internet.

The right way, is to take everything with a pinch of salt, constantly remind yourself that its an illusionary veneer that covers the real world, and try and enjoy yourself by chucking at the occasional piece of real wit or humor you stumble across.

The wrong way, is to constantly cry, play favorites and moderate like an enraged milk monitor in an elementary school, and engage in a conversation with a stranger when you genuinely wont like hearing an opinion that is different from your own.

Dakka is actually a decent website when you come right down to it, because only about half of the users and two or three or the mods fall into the above category.

I'd suggest you start friending people that you do like listening to, and build your own dakka community around them, rather than try and seek another avenue. I figured I would try warseer after one of needless ban too many, but it seemed plenty of work after I had already befriended people here, 430 posts in you are probably in the same boat.

Short answer, its a decent site, and like life, its what you make of it. Friend people you like, chat with them, engage with them, look at their galleries, add some stuff, socialise and enjoy.

Ignore those that you find contemptible/pathetic/beneath addressing.

Sort of like going to Vegas, it's pretty awesome if you remain blissfully ignorant, but if you look too hard, it can get depressing!

In any given contest, like what you describe, there has to at least 2 sides to it. While granted there are a few and far between die hard GW supporters here (not stating i agree or dissagree with them), the discussion is on a general basis pretty one sided and to be frank, while there are some loudmouth GW trollers, most complains i read here are properly expressed (warranted or not, that is a mattter of opinion).

Im what ever on GW, since the price hike though ive been forced to build the core of any army by buying them second hand. From there ill splurg and buy something new once in a great while. Other then that im what ever, ive looked towards cheaper more balanced games.

Most posters/readers here are probably just wargamers, instead of anti-GW or pro-GW per se.

The vocal minority is just that, a minority. Filter them out or don't take them too seriously.

I find DakkaDakka a fairly positive site, compared to some cesspool discussion forums for other hobbies.

GW website. They're huge fans.

 Shandara wrote:
Most posters/readers here are probably just wargamers, instead of anti-GW or pro-GW per se.

The vocal minority is just that, a minority. Filter them out or don't take them too seriously.

I find DakkaDakka a fairly positive site, compared to some cesspool discussion forums for other hobbies.

Yeah pretty much what I said, just more sensible and concise.

I've always been a rambler...

I like GW and I do believe a large amount of Dakka do, however I express this via posting up painting and modelling threads/showcases, army lists, tactics etc to enjoy my hobby. The majority of GW fans likely do the same, however if people actively dislike the company a thread usually follows in what I would assume is the hope that things can some how change (find a problem, highlight a problem, brainstorm how said problem could be fixed). In such a way it might appear there are more GW haters if you only look in context of amazingly pro or anti GW posts.

That and I tend to refrain from posting in any overly vitriolic anti-GW threads for fear of being accused of white knighting, its easier just to click a different thread.

I thought the Bolter and Chainsword crowd were Pro GW or is that just Pro Space Marine?

 mattyrm wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Most posters/readers here are probably just wargamers, instead of anti-GW or pro-GW per se.

The vocal minority is just that, a minority. Filter them out or don't take them too seriously.

I find DakkaDakka a fairly positive site, compared to some cesspool discussion forums for other hobbies.

Yeah pretty much what I said, just more sensible and concise.

And less sniping at the Mods.

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
GW website. They're huge fans.

This is great news!

 notprop wrote:
I thought the Bolter and Chainsword crowd were Pro GW or is that just Pro Space Marine?

Pro power armor for certain, pro gw no idea, not been there for a while.

 curran12 wrote:
It's a bit of an echo chamber effect.

I'd wager that most folks here are, at the very least, neutral to GW. The problem is that the loudest and most vocal people tend to color the atmosphere, and those vocal people are more vehemently anti-GW.

The other problem its that some posters take criticism of GW as automatically making the poster 'anti GW'.

And some, for some inexplicable reason, can not separate the game from the company... Liking 40k or WHFB, and being interested in discussing them, are not directly related... And neither is automatically directly related to a like or dislike of GW.

 insaniak wrote:
The other problem its that some posters take criticism of GW as automatically making the poster 'anti GW'.

And some, for some inexplicable reason, can not separate the game from the company... Liking 40k or WHFB, and being interested in discussing them, are not directly related... And neither is automatically directly related to a like or dislike of GW.

Ugh, this kind of thing drives me up the wall with a variety of communities.

There are so very many places where trying to give feedback or constructive criticism is labeled as being a 'hater', as though someone who enjoys a company or product must lavish praise and adoration upon them with every breath.

 Forar wrote:
Ugh, this kind of thing drives me up the wall with a variety of communities.

Why are you hating on communities?

Yesthetruthhurts....















Joking.

 insaniak wrote:

And some, for some inexplicable reason, can not separate the game from the company... Liking 40k or WHFB, and being interested in discussing them, are not directly related... And neither is automatically directly related to a like or dislike of GW.

Well said!

I am, for the most part, highly positive about GW's products, design team and creative output.

I am, for the most part, skeptical and potentially hostile to GW's pricing, relationship to it's fanbase, place in the wider gaming community and corporate/legal behaviors.

I do not believe myself a 'hater', yet have been referred to as such whenever I have voiced concern or criticism by certain posters. As a consumer of their products for 28 years, a continuing customer and a grown up with the capacity to form a rational opinion, I feel I and others can speak on an open and independent forum when I am not satisfied or have concerns and wish to discuss these with my peers, yet some posters will consistently flame people for voicing concern or criticism as though such were forbidden or somehow personally offensive to them. Therein we experience this odd little conflict here and elsewhere.

Is there, a site with a majority of a positive view of it's own community?

I mean, i am not going to take sides on this particular post, but it is clear that the majority of Dakka dakka has a negative opinion on Dakka dakka, so my question is, is there a forum where it is the opposite?.

I've said before, those who are very vocally anti-GW are probably those that want the best for them, and the vitriol is a product of their frustration that they don't believe those things that need to be done to make that happen are being done.

I am firmly GW neutral. If they do something I approve of/agree with, I will praise it. If they do the opposite so will I. I tend to buy non GW stuff, but if I need or want something they make, I'll get it.

Now, I would suspect anyone reading my post history would assume I'm an "anti" but in light of what I've said here, that makes its own statement.

The fact that there are so many more apparently strongly anti GW posters than pro, again, I think, makes its own statement. Sure, there's an element of squeaky wheel syndrome, but if the majority felt differently, you'd get people leaping to the defence a lot more often than happens.

Those that hate on GW irrationally and with no hope of having their attitude altered I feel are rare animals, and if the forum seems overly negative towards GW, it is probably just a symptom of a general ill feeling towards them.

You can, of course, frequent the GW focused sub-fora, which are entirely less negative places.

 azreal13 wrote:
The fact that there are so many more apparently strongly anti GW posters than pro, again, I think, makes its own statement. Sure, there's an element of squeaky wheel syndrome, but if the majority felt differently, you'd get people leaping to the defence a lot more often than happens.

Except the internet (and humanity) tends to focus on the negative far more than the positive. No matter how popular the product, you don't see the majority jumping to its defense very often.

 pretre wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
The fact that there are so many more apparently strongly anti GW posters than pro, again, I think, makes its own statement. Sure, there's an element of squeaky wheel syndrome, but if the majority felt differently, you'd get people leaping to the defence a lot more often than happens.

Except the internet (and humanity) tends to focus on the negative far more than the positive. No matter how popular the product, you don't see the majority jumping to its defense very often.

Granted, but people really care about their toy soldiers. You can drop in on any thread of more than a couple of pages and invariably there'll be anything from snarky exchanges scaling up to mod intervening, borderline actionable exchanges.

If people can care that much, and are seeing the thing they 'love' being attacked, I would expect to see more defensive comments than I generally seem to see.

Most of the people who like GW tend to be gaming, and painting.

After a while you recgonise the negative voices tend to be the same ones.there aren't that many, and they keep repeating the same arguments. They do also seem to be very self-aggrandising and take any correction of basic facts as an insult.

It is certainly true that other sites have a much more positive vibe. Even, especially, one-ring, and if any one GW game suffers from high prices, it's LOTR! But they seem to enjoy playing and painting, not griping and fantasising that they know better how to run a multinational business.

xxvaderxx wrote:
I mean, i am not going to take sides on this particular post, but it is clear that the majority of Dakka dakka has a negative opinion on GW, so my question is, is there a forum where it is the opposite?.

flamesofwar.com
alternatively bolter and chainsword

GW has sued all fansites out of existence, so this is what is left

Seriously, most people here on Dakka have spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on GW products, that's why they are interested in GW topics. Doesn't mean that you have to like all their models or all their business decisions. There is more than just GW haters and GW fanboys.