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Do the new heavy vehicles have skyfire?

Puscifer wrote:
Is it me, or have the points gone up to crazy levels for Marines?

A lot of the stuff just screams unusable because of the points imo.

Marine armies are going to look tiny on the board.

Or is that because I just picked up SW and everything is uber cheap by comparison.

Almost everything got cheaper.

Keeping everything the same, my list dropped from 2k on the dot to 1870. 130 pts for free. I also traded army wide stubborn for both the BT and IF chapter tactics in each detachment, respectively.

C: SM made out really well with this book.

 CKO wrote:
Do the new heavy vehicles have skyfire?

Yes, but not Interceptor.

Marshal on bike with super-Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer and Artificier Armour. Loyalist Juggerlord in the making?

If I have the points correctly, a Chapter Master with the Relic Burning Blade, EW SS, and AA will cost 255pts. But he will be all but impossible to kill, and will wreck anything he assaults except maybe Gargantuan Creatures and AV 14.

Couple him with a unit of Honor Guard all with relic blades... *drool*

Damnit, Iron Hands players are going to get so much undeserved abuse because of the bandwagoneers using our Tactics with this Codex.

Put that character on a Bike and make him an Iron Hand, Ferrum, and he'll have four wounds, T5, 2+/3++/6+++, Adamantium Will, Eternal Warrior, and IWND.

It almost doesn't matter what weapons you give him at that point, I doubt anything short of a Titan will be able to put him down.

The HG army is starting to look amazing.

Trying to resist the urge to make all my Space Wolf sprues into HG.

Even if you can only have one relic, the burning blade seems to be the better option, just take a normal storm shield as you will be able to murder most things before they strike back - well not most things but a lot, obviously keep him out of the way of MC's but most other things, ouch, with an honour guard kitted with relic blades a termie TH/SS squad are going to go down like flies, he will take out on average 3 a turn I'd imagine and the honour guard will pull the other two down from forcing them to make so many armour saves.

Land raider them up as a delivery system and I'm confident they would out deathstar most.

Can someone math hammer the burning blade + SS + AA chapter master vs the Relic SS + TH + AA + Bike chapter master, that would be quite the clash of the titans.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Damnit, Iron Hands players are going to get so much undeserved abuse because of the bandwagoneers using our Tactics with this Codex.

Put that character on a Bike and make him an Iron Hand, Ferrum, and he'll have four wounds, T5, 2+/3++/6+++, Adamantium Will, Eternal Warrior, and IWND.

It almost doesn't matter what weapons you give him at that point, I doubt anything short of a Titan will be able to put him down.

That is very tempting, good thing I'm set on Salamanders. And really, those stats (minus the bike, FNP, and IWND) are what I would expect from Sally CM Tu'Shan anyhow

Dreadnoughts don't get chapter tactics? Is this because of something in the lore?

Relics aren't looking too bad

I think the Second one will take it.

Concussive is a boon in that fight. Also the added mobility of the bike.

Only thing is the HG will tear anything a new a-hole, where as the bikes are nothing but ablative wounds.

Horseshoes and Hand Grenades.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Damnit, Iron Hands players are going to get so much undeserved abuse because of the bandwagoneers using our Tactics with this Codex.

Put that character on a Bike and make him an Iron Hand, Ferrum, and he'll have four wounds, T5, 2+/3++/6+++, Adamantium Will, Eternal Warrior, and IWND.

It almost doesn't matter what weapons you give him at that point, I doubt anything short of a Titan will be able to put him down.

That is very tempting, good thing I'm set on Salamanders. And really, those stats (minus the bike, FNP, and IWND) are what I would expect from Sally CM Tu'Shan anyhow

Give it a command squad, on bikes, with storm shields with a mix of power weapons and fists. The apoth would give a better FNP... Librarian on a bike following them boosting them.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Even if you can only have one relic, the burning blade seems to be the better option, just take a normal storm shield as you will be able to murder most things before they strike back - well not most things but a lot, obviously keep him out of the way of MC's but most other things, ouch, with an honour guard kitted with relic blades a termie TH/SS squad are going to go down like flies, he will take out on average 3 a turn I'd imagine and the honour guard will pull the other two down from forcing them to make so many armour saves.

Land raider them up as a delivery system and I'm confident they would out deathstar most.

Can someone math hammer the burning blade + SS + AA chapter master vs the Relic SS + TH + AA + Bike chapter master, that would be quite the clash of the titans.

If can take both the Sword and the Shield, he can go toe to toe with Abbadon and win, and could even give a biomacied Swarmlord a far fight...

Assuming the Burning Blade CM doesn't burn himself, he'd probably win against a TH CM, as he'd strike first while wounding on 2's the first turn. If it's down to only one Relic, though, I'd probably take the SS. If he's not EW there's quite a few things out there that could actually kill him. Force Weapons, Daemon MCs smashing, Vindicators, that sort of thing. If you're going to make a monster beatstick CM you might as well make sure he doesn't die to an enemy just because they Smashed you to pieces with one lucky wound.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Even if you can only have one relic, the burning blade seems to be the better option, just take a normal storm shield as you will be able to murder most things before they strike back - well not most things but a lot, obviously keep him out of the way of MC's but most other things, ouch, with an honour guard kitted with relic blades a termie TH/SS squad are going to go down like flies, he will take out on average 3 a turn I'd imagine and the honour guard will pull the other two down from forcing them to make so many armour saves.

Land raider them up as a delivery system and I'm confident they would out deathstar most.

Can someone math hammer the burning blade + SS + AA chapter master vs the Relic SS + TH + AA + Bike chapter master, that would be quite the clash of the titans.

If can take both the Sword and the Shield, he can go toe to toe with Abbadon and win, and could even give a biomacied Swarmlord a far fight...

Abaddon strikes first and has a Daemon weapon. The current Lysander falls over to Abaddon and so would that Chapter Master, he just doesn't have the sheer volume of attacks that Abaddon does.

"The markers stay on the flyer until it leaves the table, is destroyed or is engaged in close combat."

Flyers can't be engaged in close combat. Why would that be there?

 NickTheButcher wrote:
"The markers stay on the flyer until it leaves the table, is destroyed or is engaged in close combat."

Flyers can't be engaged in close combat. Why would that be there?

FMC when they land.

 NickTheButcher wrote:
"The markers stay on the flyer until it leaves the table, is destroyed or is engaged in close combat."

Flyers can't be engaged in close combat. Why would that be there?

Fliers and FMCs...

Puscifer wrote:

 NickTheButcher wrote:
"The markers stay on the flyer until it leaves the table, is destroyed or is engaged in close combat."

Flyers can't be engaged in close combat. Why would that be there?

FMC when they land.

Ahh very nice. Didn't think of that (Don't play against them all that often)

They should have made it follow the MC even if it landed, could have made it do a special blast attack when it hits a ground target, just for the cool factor of the MC thinking, well if it's going to hit me, it can hit a load of my targets as well.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
They should have made it follow the MC even if it landed, could have made it do a special blast attack when it hits a ground target, just for the cool factor of the MC thinking, well if it's going to hit me, it can hit a load of my targets as well.

It does follow the FMC if it lands, it just won't fly into Close Combat.

Just noticed that all companies but the assault company has been taken down from gw, but they're are being released again with c:sm. im guessing this means that they've put the tanks back in, as it now comes to €600ish.

Don't if anyone else knew this, or if it really means much, but it could make getting a whole chapter a lot easier (or just buy one for €10000!!)

Also there are gunna be a lot of releases this month!!!

A friend of mine, and former visitor to Dakka Dakka wanted to make a Space Marine army based on the Eternian Guard from He Man and have his Chapter Master riding a giant cat.

I might steal his idea.

These SW sprues have He Man's head on them and I don't think people would mind if I used a Thunderwolf as a homage to the cartoon character and use him as a Chapter Master on a bike.

Puscifer wrote:
A friend of mine, and former visitor to Dakka Dakka wanted to make a Space Marine army based on the Eternian Guard from He Man and have his Chapter Master riding a giant cat.

I might steal his idea.

These SW sprues have He Man's head on them and I don't think people would mind if I used a Thunderwolf as a homage to the cartoon character and use him as a Chapter Master on a bike.

Why not use the mount of the recent Mantic release....

 Vain wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
A friend of mine, and former visitor to Dakka Dakka wanted to make a Space Marine army based on the Eternian Guard from He Man and have his Chapter Master riding a giant cat.

I might steal his idea.

These SW sprues have He Man's head on them and I don't think people would mind if I used a Thunderwolf as a homage to the cartoon character and use him as a Chapter Master on a bike.

Why not use the mount of the recent Mantic release....

Spoiler:

That's amazing!!!

Thanks for that.

One thing that weirds me out a little though...

It looks exactly like my WoW Paladin on his Golden King mount.


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Also... that price...

Ohhhhhh that oh so lovely price.

Land Speeder Storm
Now a dedicated transport for Scouts
-5 point reduction
May replace Heavy Bolter with free Heavy Flamer, Multi-melta for 5 points less, Assault Cannon for 15 points less
Jamming Beacon now makes models that are in range roll twice the number of scatter dice that distance they normally would
Cerberus Launcher: 18" S2, AP-, Heavy 1, Large Blast, Blind


Burning Blade: S+3, AP2, Melee, Blind, Incandescent Same cost as a Razorback with Extra Armor
Incandescent: At the end of an Assault Phase in which the bearer made a successful to-hit roll with the Burning Blade roll a D6. On a roll of a 2+ nothing happens. On a roll of a 1 the bearer takes a S4, AP2 hit.


Suck it necrons

For those wondering, Burning Brand and standard storm shield will lose to Thunder Hammer and standard storm shield every time. Both weapons will be causing unsaved wounds at the same rate per attack, with a slight advantage to the sword. The problem is it only takes one unsaved wound from the TH without the EW SS.

The Brand vs TH is a tough call, and they're pretty even, although I'd favor the TH if I'm running a Chapter Master with the EW SS. The Brand would be a strong choice on a captain with a bolt pistol to kill terminators while the CM duels characters.

Brand
+Strike at Init
+Blind
+Extra attack
-Far more expensive
-Incadescent
-Lose extra attack with SS

TH
+ID to T4
+Concussive
-Strike at I1
-Cheaper

Things to consider -
S7 IDs T3, but most things T3 will strike before I5 anyways.

Striking at the same time as several MCs is nice, but a successful TH wound accomplishes the same thing, and also works against higher I.

TH additional S helps to wound MCs with IA and Vehicles, you also gain the shaken bonus against vehicles.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Even if you can only have one relic, the burning blade seems to be the better option, just take a normal storm shield as you will be able to murder most things before they strike back - well not most things but a lot, obviously keep him out of the way of MC's but most other things, ouch, with an honour guard kitted with relic blades a termie TH/SS squad are going to go down like flies, he will take out on average 3 a turn I'd imagine and the honour guard will pull the other two down from forcing them to make so many armour saves.

Land raider them up as a delivery system and I'm confident they would out deathstar most.

Can someone math hammer the burning blade + SS + AA chapter master vs the Relic SS + TH + AA + Bike chapter master, that would be quite the clash of the titans.

If can take both the Sword and the Shield, he can go toe to toe with Abbadon and win, and could even give a biomacied Swarmlord a far fight...

Abaddon and the Swarmlord would still both walk all over him.
CM would deal .84 wound a turn to Abbadon.
Figuring +3 from his Daemon weapon, Abbadon averages ~1.7 wounds (Harder to math out with Preferred Enemy)
Abaddon rolls a 1 or a 6, makes a very large difference. The sheer number of dice he can throw in his favor makes up for the reliability of a 3++. On top of that, Abby has the WS advantage and preferred enemy.

Swarmlord without IA/WS
CM would deal .66 wound a turn to SL.
SL would deal ~2 wounds a turn to CM.
SL gives himself Preferred Enemy, and forces rerolls on successful saves. Warp Speed and Iron Arm (Or enfeeble) all make this even more one sided.

Truth is, the CM is not going to touch any of the really broken CC characters, but they'll be able to walk through a lot of stuff.

The burning brand can charge into a unit of wraiths + a Dlord and as long as it doesn't get coiled it strikes at I and all the wraiths + the Dlord have to make a blind test.

Forget about the swarm lord, it's best to shoot him.

 schadenfreude wrote:
The burning brand can charge into a unit of wraiths + a Dlord and as long as it doesn't get coiled it strikes at I and all the wraiths + the Dlord have to make a blind test.

Forget about the swarm lord, it's best to shoot him.

The Thunder Hammer CM can charge into a unit of Wraiths, tank their attacks and ID them with S8. I'd rather have them dead than blinded, myself.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
The burning brand can charge into a unit of wraiths + a Dlord and as long as it doesn't get coiled it strikes at I and all the wraiths + the Dlord have to make a blind test.

Forget about the swarm lord, it's best to shoot him.

The Thunder Hammer CM can charge into a unit of Wraiths, tank their attacks and ID them with S8. I'd rather have them dead than blinded, myself.

He will kill one a turn. Maybe two the turn the charges. He won't kill anything if the DLord tanks his attacks. 3++ is best beat by weight of attacks.

4 attacks without master crafted is not a lot. The BT trait helps for challenges.

The sword may be better in this situation just to allow his I4 buddies the chance to hit on 3s and be hit on 5s.

IH librarian, with a burning brand, bike, + SS + AA (if available) with either warp speed or iron arm...


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I've re-read the wargear options a few times now, and I am getting the impressions that independent character can't buy a normal storm shield unless they are in termie armour, it is only in the termie wargear section....

Puscifer wrote:
Is it me, or have the points gone up to crazy levels for Marines?

A lot of the stuff just screams unusable because of the points imo.

Marine armies are going to look tiny on the board.

Or is that because I just picked up SW and everything is uber cheap by comparison.

What rumours are you reading? The ones we've been reading the last few weeks say everything pretty much got cheaper.