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That's one of the uses I was thinking, ya.

MadmanMSU wrote:
My question is: whats the base cost of the Vanguard Vet squad in the new codex?

I honestly don't know, it was never said.

There has been no word whether single character can take multiple relics, right?

 Crimson wrote:
There has been no word whether single character can take multiple relics, right?

Not yet. I assume it's like the other books though.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
There has been no word whether single character can take multiple relics, right?

Not yet. I assume it's like the other books though.

Like the other books where some let you and some don't?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
There has been no word whether single character can take multiple relics, right?

Not yet. I assume it's like the other books though.

Like the other books where some let you and some don't?

I don't have the other 6th edition books memorized yet . I'd assume it'll be like the DA.

What does everyone think of CT: Imperial Fists compared to the other CTs?

I have no Devs and not sure on the Centurions yet to benefit from Tank Hunters. BUT, I am a little happy about Scouts being cheaper and the Storm being a dedicated transport now. All my Scouts are kitted with Boltguns so the Bolter Drill makes them more useful. I was kind of hoping they would keep Stubborn though.

Any thoughts on the changes to Lysander? I'm not impressed with his built-in banner or the loss of bolster defenses (not that I used it much anyway). I'm curious if taking a Chapter Master in TDA with Thunderhammer and the Relic Stormshield might compete with him now? I'm not keen on all the new point differences maybe someone can chime in?

Edit: As far as I can remember they would be the same points right?

Dinamarth wrote:

Any thoughts on the changes to Lysander? I'm not impressed with his built-in banner or the loss of bolster defenses (not that I used it much anyway). I'm curious if taking a Chapter Master in TDA with Thunderhammer and the Relic Stormshield might compete with him now? I'm not keen on all the new point differences maybe someone can chime in?

Edit: As far as I can remember they would be the same points right?

You would miss out on his S10 Hammer with +1 to Vehicle Damage Tables though.
And if you are trying to squeeze more value out of the points you might as well slap him in Artificer Armour instead of TDA so he can follow up after Combat as the Relic SS gives you the 3++ anyway.

 Vain wrote:

You would miss out on his S10 Hammer with +1 to Vehicle Damage Tables though.
And if you are trying to squeeze more value out of the points you might as well slap him in Artificer Armour instead of TDA so he can follow up after Combat as the Relic SS gives you the 3++ anyway.

Both true, but my army is all terminators/scouts. I was more considering alternatives to running Lysander in case I wanted to do different CTs. It's nice that I can kit a CM out that's close to him.

Ok so it says dreadnaughts don't get chapter tactics dose that include iron hands chapter tactics I was thinking it would be really fun to run a heavy dreadnought list all of them having it will not die just sounds soooo fun.

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
Ok so it says dreadnaughts don't get chapter tactics dose that include iron hands chapter tactics I was thinking it would be really fun to run a heavy dreadnought list all of them having it will not die just sounds soooo fun.

IH CT says even vehicles that don't have CT benefit... so, yeah

 Lobukia wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
Ok so it says dreadnaughts don't get chapter tactics dose that include iron hands chapter tactics I was thinking it would be really fun to run a heavy dreadnought list all of them having it will not die just sounds soooo fun.

IH CT says even vehicles that don't have CT benefit... so, yeah

Ok cool 12 dreadnaughts with it will not die here I come and just for fun everyone gets a drop pod.

and the drop pod has IWND as well.....

 Leth wrote:
and the drop pod has IWND as well.....

I know isn't it positively awesome I AM JUST SOOO HAPPY!!!!!

I see a lot of people running CT White Scars and IH soon.

 Crimson wrote:
There has been no word whether single character can take multiple relics, right?

I do believe the banner, shield and armour probably won't exchange any weapon, like Shroud of Heroes (DA) and Scrolls of Magnus (CSM). So, blades or bolter + super SS ftw!

Question in between my nerdgasm something occurred to me how would chapter tactics work in apoc games. Could you possible give a Titan IWND or maybe a thunder hawk gunship because that would be AWSOME!!!!!

Just a quick question, will C:SM get a PFG like thing? It would really compliment IH dreads: cheap techmarine/MotF with PFG hiding behind 2-3 Ironclad dreads.

Puscifer wrote:
Is it me, or have the points gone up to crazy levels for Marines?

A lot of the stuff just screams unusable because of the points imo.

Marine armies are going to look tiny on the board.

Or is that because I just picked up SW and everything is uber cheap by comparison.

What? A lot of things went down in price

 ace101 wrote:
Just a quick question, will C:SM get a PFG like thing? It would really compliment IH dreads: cheap techmarine/MotF with PFG hiding behind 2-3 Ironclad dreads.

No, they can't get an Invul bubble like DA can.


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 centuryslayer wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Is it me, or have the points gone up to crazy levels for Marines?

A lot of the stuff just screams unusable because of the points imo.

Marine armies are going to look tiny on the board.

Or is that because I just picked up SW and everything is uber cheap by comparison.

What? A lot of things went down in price

I think they're looking at the Wargear.

While the cost of weapon options went up for Tacticals this is offset by the units 2ppm decrease meaning a full squad is 20 points cheaper to start with. And Devastators take those heavies at the same cost as the Tacticals meaning they're paying less for their options.

Some things got a price bump, but in some cases there is a considerable amount of offset, like lower upgrade costs, or being on models that are cheaper. I think it's too early to call this book horrible just yet.

At the very least it feels like the book has a lot of internal balance where no one is really shortchanged for taking any one thing over another, and with different units that can hand the same, or similiar tasks there is a lot of flexibility of people to play what they like instead of just what is the cheapest. The real test is going to come once the book has a chance to get some time on the table.

True, I kinda like the points adjustments overall, and it will be intresesting to see what they change in the army lists.

 centuryslayer wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Is it me, or have the points gone up to crazy levels for Marines?

A lot of the stuff just screams unusable because of the points imo.

Marine armies are going to look tiny on the board.

Or is that because I just picked up SW and everything is uber cheap by comparison.

What? A lot of things went down in price

I've made a retort to this many times... I'm not a marine player.

Interesting thing I've been told... Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Grey Knights and Blood Angels might be getting a big errata and extra units from this codex.

I've been told that it'll be something along the lines of updated rules, points and the inclusion of some of the newer units.

Kinda like a stop gap before the newer dexes.

This came from a GW rep who visited one of my FLGS.

While I can understand that for the regular chapters, why GK?

Have errats/FAQs ever added completely new units to a codex?

 SickSix wrote:
Have errats/FAQs ever added completely new units to a codex?

Stormtalon/Raven for Vanilla and Templars.

Puscifer wrote:

 centuryslayer wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Is it me, or have the points gone up to crazy levels for Marines?

A lot of the stuff just screams unusable because of the points imo.

Marine armies are going to look tiny on the board.

Or is that because I just picked up SW and everything is uber cheap by comparison.

What? A lot of things went down in price

I've made a retort to this many times... I'm not a marine player.

Interesting thing I've been told... Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Grey Knights and Blood Angels might be getting a big errata and extra units from this codex.

I've been told that it'll be something along the lines of updated rules, points and the inclusion of some of the newer units.

Kinda like a stop gap before the newer dexes.

This came from a GW rep who visited one of my FLGS.

While I can understand that for the regular chapters, why GK?

If this happens, it will be truly earth shattering /ground breaking/ never happened before. One does not simply get new items in the old 'dexs. Also, don't even listen to the GW employees... their accuracy rate is far worse than an boyz shooting.

That'd be extremely cool and/or good. ^^

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Have errats/FAQs ever added completely new units to a codex?

Stormtalon/Raven for Vanilla and Templars.

That was a new unit type that they needed to sell... I can't see any other PA lists getting FAQ'd units. If it does happen, then Matt Ward must have been fired and Jervis resigned.

 Lobukia wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Have errats/FAQs ever added completely new units to a codex?

Stormtalon/Raven for Vanilla and Templars.

That was a new unit type that they needed to sell... I can't see any other PA lists getting FAQ'd units. If it does happen, then Matt Ward must have been fired and Jervis resigned.

I don't think it's going to happen either, but he asked if an Errata/FAQ had ever added a new unit to a Codex, and it has.

I asked if any other army was getting the flyers and centurions and all I got was "Wait and see, it won't be long".

I reckon it's just going to be Grav Weapons for the other Chapters and possibly one of the flyers and the AA Tanks.

I find it odd that a general GW employee would know what the Dev team is planning for FAQs...

So yeah, all the salt in the Dead Sea on that one.