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...on the subject of Finecast vs plastic? The reason for Finecast instead of plastic is simple - they needed to be able to recast all of the older metal models using the same kinds of moulds, as the process is completely different. I expect, over time, Finecast may well be phased out.

...especially if we're going to be charged £18 for one bloody plastic model that doesn't even come with different weapon options and at most 2 heads?! Jesus. I'm more lenient than most when it comes to GW pricing but that's utterly ridiculous.

Gotta say... Wheres the super oval base marine?

 Byte wrote:
Gotta say... Wheres the super oval base marine?

Hmm good point, no MC.

SHOCKING!

Actually it would have just been a Dreadknight variant if anything, and im quite pleased to keep that under 1 army thank you very much rofl. i hate that thing.
Though have to admit the whole "space marine inside a space marine" joke kinda makes it sound like were referring to an MC of some sort lol

 Byte wrote:
Gotta say... Wheres the super oval base marine?

We are Marines... We kill MC's, we don't field them... (Personally I glad we didn't get one.)

Ed

Any Marine who thinks their chapter needs a Monstrous Creature is commonly classified by two terms: coward and heretic.

MCs are for thunderhammer target practice, not for marines to use.

When they get big enough, o-strike them, or bring in the mechanicus with their titans.

 Wilytank wrote:
Any Marine who thinks their chapter needs a Monstrous Creature is commonly classified by two terms: coward and heretic.

Ermmm... Grey Knights.

I wasn't for it or against it. Just surprises me that there wasn't a dreadnaught in a mini titan! Seems to be the way of things in this edition.

 Wilytank wrote:
Any Marine who thinks their chapter needs a Monstrous Creature is commonly classified by two terms: coward and heretic.

Bleh... I would choose "coward" and "heretic" over "breakfast for Riptides". At least I have Hunters to deal with those pesky Daemon Princes and Bloodthirsters/LoCs. Yippiyahayey !

Does anyone know if the strike force is a temp release or will it be replacing the battle force?

 Byte wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Any Marine who thinks their chapter needs a Monstrous Creature is commonly classified by two terms: coward and heretic.

Ermmm... Grey Knights.

I think that says a lot about the Grey Knights.

 Wilytank wrote:
Any Marine who thinks their chapter needs a Monstrous Creature is commonly classified by two terms: coward and heretic.

True. But vanilla SM needs more reliable ways to kill an MC. The new grav weapons will definitely help.

 stargasm wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:
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Yeah I mean, the new tank is essentiall a rhino chassis with some pegs on the bottom and a couple of cool turrets. Certainly not a needed price increase.

I hate to say it but I might have seen the end of my space marine days, I'm hoping the tyranid release keeps me wanting more gw stuff,

I can only imagine Nids being more expensive, since you get bigger kits which ammount to fewer points. At least a centurion squad is over 200 points in game, whearas these massive MC units (wraithknight/riptide) barely amount to that and cost more $$$

I can deal with expensive MC's. but this release just doesn't feature anything new when you get right down to it.

Librarian at $35, already had one for cheaper
Chaplain as part of a set that few will need, already have cheaper options
Captain at $35, already had one for cheaper
Tactical squad - price increased with a couple of new options
Stalker - nice new tank, prices outrageous considering it's so similar to a rhino with a cool turret
Vanguard vets - plastic upgrade to an existing kit, nothing truly new
Sternguards, same as vanguards...both cool and nice upgrades, but not NEW
Centurions, the only truly new kit, no ore existing analogue or simple way to convert it...and they're absurdly expensive and stupid looking.

I want something new in a new release...this was a thinly veiled price increase that happened to come with some new rules.

I want something new in a new release...this was a thinly veiled price increase that happened to come with some new rules.

The most interesting and new thing is the grav weapon technology. I guess we'll have to buy the new Tactical Marine boxes to get access to them.

BrotherVord wrote:



I want something new in a new release...this was a thinly veiled price increase that happened to come with some new rules.

Cough. The AA rhino variants. Cough.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Any Marine who thinks their chapter needs a Monstrous Creature is commonly classified by two terms: coward and heretic.

True. But vanilla SM needs more reliable ways to kill an MC. The new grav weapons will definitely help.

Amen to that! But between their low range, high cost and questionable usefulness when they aren't targeting MCs, I can't see a bright future for them.

I'm hoping bits sellers on Ebay will satisfy my need for Grav weapons without buying Stern or Van sets... My biggest disappointment is that the Vanguard are now elites instead of FA..

Ed

I lied, ill be getting a Sternguard kit, was just looking at the sprues and they are gorgeous! At the same time though, they are slightly less adorned then the previous vets, but still the options and bits are amazing.

I love the head on the right-most sternguard model. He's just so grumpy!

 Wilytank wrote:
Any Marine who thinks their chapter needs a Monstrous Creature is commonly classified by two terms: coward and heretic.

...Space Wolves a MC though....it's a FW thing but still... <.<

Hibrass wrote:
I'm hoping bits sellers on Ebay will satisfy my need for Grav weapons without buying Stern or Van sets... My biggest disappointment is that the Vanguard are now elites instead of FA..

Ed

They probably will, and probably overprice the hell out of them because of people like you (nothing offensive just saying). But, if you got the bodies why buy more bodies? Especially on simple models like most SM models its not that hard to just magnetize the gun arm anyway lol

BrotherVord wrote:

 stargasm wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:
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Yeah I mean, the new tank is essentiall a rhino chassis with some pegs on the bottom and a couple of cool turrets. Certainly not a needed price increase.

I hate to say it but I might have seen the end of my space marine days, I'm hoping the tyranid release keeps me wanting more gw stuff,

I can only imagine Nids being more expensive, since you get bigger kits which ammount to fewer points. At least a centurion squad is over 200 points in game, whearas these massive MC units (wraithknight/riptide) barely amount to that and cost more $$$

I can deal with expensive MC's. but this release just doesn't feature anything new when you get right down to it.

Librarian at $35, already had one for cheaper
Chaplain as part of a set that few will need, already have cheaper options
Captain at $35, already had one for cheaper
Tactical squad - price increased with a couple of new options
Stalker - nice new tank, prices outrageous considering it's so similar to a rhino with a cool turret
Vanguard vets - plastic upgrade to an existing kit, nothing truly new
Sternguards, same as vanguards...both cool and nice upgrades, but not NEW
Centurions, the only truly new kit, no ore existing analogue or simple way to convert it...and they're absurdly expensive and stupid looking.

I want something new in a new release...this was a thinly veiled price increase that happened to come with some new rules.

After discount, the new Hunter/Stalker is just a few dollars more than a whirlwind, and it's a dual kit. How's that out of line?

Locrian wrote:


After discount, the new Hunter/Stalker is just a few dollars more than a whirlwind, and it's a dual kit. How's that out of line?

A basic rhino is $37.25
Razorbacks are $41.25
The 3 HS rhino chassis tanks are $57.75
The stalker/hunter is $65.00

(prices are USD, from GW direct)

All of it's peers are the same price. It's a rhino + one sprue kit. Sure, it's a duel kit, but the pred kit can make a number of diferent configurations as well. It would have been nice if it was the same price point of similar kits. It's paying a "I'm new!" tax of $7.25 for no good reason. I guess we should count ourselves lucky that the other tanks didn't get bumped up to that price point...

 Wolf Lord Kevin wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Any Marine who thinks their chapter needs a Monstrous Creature is commonly classified by two terms: coward and heretic.

...Space Wolves a MC though....it's a FW thing but still... <.<

Nobody uses it, so it doesn't count.

Yesterday I was excited about the new releases. Today (after reading through my WD), I'm not.

I do really like the look of the new tactical squad box. The librarian looks great too - but that's where the fun stops for me. The codex is massively overpriced - £35 for the basic edition (not even gonna discuss the LE edition as I'd never get it). The other models are just...boring. The centurions look like they are meant to be the new "wow" unit. But imo they look really stupid. The captain is even worse - why the hell does he have a power sword and a two handed bolter! It just looks like he could use neither effectively. It's also an existing model from the AOBR set, so is totally pointless.

The new vehicles have basically been added to counter an aspect of the game I really dislike - fliers. I'm in the process of building up a few smaller sized armies at the moment, so I'd never play them anyway as the points cost is too high.

I guess I need to actually read the book to see if there are going to be any more model waves coming soon. As a BT player I was really looking forward to seeing them getting an update in this codex. From the Battle Report this month they seem generic and bland and there was no mention of how their Chapter Tactics would affect their play style.

Maybe I'm being too hasty. But it looks like they've released a confused book with little new to offer. If I'm wrong then I guess the blame lays at WDs door for poorly covering the release.

Just my two cents, other people may disagree.

 scottmmmm wrote:


Just my two cents, other people may disagree.

Rest assured that I do. I haven't been this excited about a release in years. The sternguard box has enough bits to make me happy for a long time. I like the re-cut of the tac squad. It's not a drastic change but that's a good thing. But the codex looks like its actually going to be very good. Not overpowered like a Matt Ward move, but still lots of neat new things to try out. Your BT get templar-y rules to keep them going. Not sure how that's boring unless you thought Templars were boring to begin with. On the plus side the BT get a lot of new toys.

I'm with you on that captain figure. Very lame. Mono-pose and just a rehash....for $30. Just no.

definitly picking up the sternguard! Holy hell those are some cool minis, with lots of bits it seems like.

These centurions are damn ugly! So, would the rules make up NO! I can instakill these dreadnought costed models. And omg they are 50 pounds for 3! However the rest of the models I'm quite interested to lay against but I'm starting to think marines are looking too flash. Aren't they meant to look bulky and ugly? And has anyone else started noticing GW have stopped translating models into other languages of their boxes? All that they have is English and only one other language!

 centuryslayer wrote:
definitly picking up the sternguard! Holy hell those are some cool minis, with lots of bits it seems like.

This is what BA or DA already have. BA Death Company and robed DA Veterans offer a lot of bits for generating Tacticals.

I like the tactical squad (thought it should come with more heavy weapon options), stern and vanguard boxes. I'd buy some if I hadn't promised myself to reduce my 'to paint' queue before buying anything else! The rest of the releases don't really interest me though.

Yeah, at least an option for a HB as well would have been nice.