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The models seem ok, the rules are ok too. But when I checked how much a 1500pts army would cost me .... I don't think that many people here are going to be starting a new sm army , which is bogus with sm being the flagship army and all.

Unless they want the SM as an "elite" army and plan on making IG a bit more appealing?

No idea but the cost is mind blowing . 3 tacticals 3 razorbacks 1biker chapy to be cpt , 1 DA biker unit , 1 stormraven ,6 centurions , 2 drop pods and 10 sternguard . The cost made me go 0_0 and I have a 10% additional discount at my shop .

This is why you don't buy an entire army in one go, you have to jedi mind trick yourself by buying a little at a time >__>

But if you don't buy an army , then you have to either already have a collection of it or not play for months. At least this is how it works here. 1500 is the minimum game size , unless it is some sort of demo game in GW store . But there you can only play with the store armies , can't even use your own you just bought in their shop.

oh, that's rough. We normally play some 500 pts battles.
But mostly I can wait a month or two as it gives me time to paint the first batch of minis ^^

All of the armies are expensive, you just dont notice it unless you buy bulk.

I have no idea how much ive spent on orks but its way more than the starting prices for new SM lol. Yeah, their models are cheaper but only by 5-10 bucks usually and unlike other races not a single model in ork codex works fine on their own, so i need at least 2 lol

I'm slowly becoming priced out of my hobby with these insane prices.

The same thing happened with me and MTG.

Seriously... £18 for a librarian?

I wanted to start a Marine Army, but I don't think I can now. It's going to take a lot more money to build an army and a lot more time.

It's over well £100 for a 1000 pt force which is pretty much the smallest a good army with a little bit of everything has.

I'm a bit disgruntled, but as a whole not surprised.

I know this is a luxury hobby, but even other hobbies are cheaper than this.

Puscifer wrote:
I'm slowly becoming priced out of my hobby with these insane prices.

The same thing happened with me and MTG.

Seriously... £18 for a librarian?

Don't go to GW, you can find him for £14.40 if not less elsewhere. Still expensive but every little helps.

Same old comments about cost on here, do none of you have other hobbies? Golf, Classic Cars, horse riding, computer games, collecting antiques, vinyl collecting, etc

I have a classic car and TBH fuel to get to an event will get you most of the way to a reasonable 500pt army.

Hobbies cost money and this is a fun one, buy a set, paint it, buy the next one....or buy what you want and leave it all half done like me because you're lacking in time.

It's really not large sums of money to a working adult.


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Puscifer wrote:


It's over well £100 for a 1000 pt force which is pretty much the smallest a good army with a little bit of everything has.

This statement is silly, 500pts is a fun battle and if you can't afford a little bit of everything then get what you can and build as you go. Who can paint it all in one big go anyway?

Most hobbies are expensive, I can't even imagine how much I have spent on computer games :/


And I regret nothing!

 shamikebab wrote:


Don't go to GW, you can find him for £14.40 if not less elsewhere. Still expensive but every little helps.

I can get my for 20% less then what GW is asking for and it is still too much for an army and I play IG. IG was easy to buy 3x20man boxs , 3xhvy weapon boxs , 3xLR box and I had my army.
It is cheaper to buy the starter set then to buy a chappy and a libby for your army

GW is a hobby, I also collect vinyl, video games, books and other things.

This generally means that I live off tins of baked beans from ASDA.

So, a little something I noticed, but has anyone else realized that the Centurion looks like something the Squats would have made?

Seriously, it looks like a squat trying to disguise himself as a space marine. Just look at the pictures and tell me I'm lying.

Makumba wrote:
The models seem ok, the rules are ok too. But when I checked how much a 1500pts army would cost me .... I don't think that many people here are going to be starting a new sm army , which is bogus with sm being the flagship army and all.

Space Marines have historically sold very well. I don't think these price hikes are going to hit their numbers too hard.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Makumba wrote:
The models seem ok, the rules are ok too. But when I checked how much a 1500pts army would cost me .... I don't think that many people here are going to be starting a new sm army , which is bogus with sm being the flagship army and all.

Space Marines have historically sold very well. I don't think these price hikes are going to hit their numbers too hard.

well maybe in the US , but we had realy few new people start eldar , tau or sm , although those are still fresh. The cost seems to be too high for people who may want to start. All the stuff sold went to people who already have those armies.

 wuestenfux wrote:
As Shadox said, BA and SW are not in the codex. The same holds for DA of course. Its not clear if BA and SW will ever get a 6th ed update. Maybe we'll have to wait for the 7th ed.

I'd think its almost a definite that BA and SW will get a 6th edition codex. We've had 6 codex releases in a year, with two waves of 2 non-imperial and 1 imperial, and what is shaping up to be another such wave (Nids, Orks, and IG). At the current pace, every codex will be redone in the next year and a half to two years. Heck, they could even keep up the current wave trend and redo Necrons and Dark Eldar with another Imperial dex.

im seriously surprised GW isnt trying to be sneaky with their price increases - less models, cut the price to match so it LOOKS cheaper but its the same price.

I doubt people would be freaking out as much on some things like the Centurion prices if they were 26USD a pop instead of the 78USD for all 3. Same price, but doesnt "look" as bad.

Actually more people would casually buy if they only got 1-2 models instead of 8 lol since it would be around ~10USD instead of 40 . If it werent for bitz markets slightly upping the price, i'd just buy the bitz to make my models but they usually cost what an individual model would with the extra bitz you dont use, without getting the extra bitz (and im a kitbasher i need dem bitz )

Makumba wrote:
No idea but the cost is mind blowing . 3 tacticals 3 razorbacks 1biker chapy to be cpt , 1 DA biker unit , 1 stormraven ,6 centurions , 2 drop pods and 10 sternguard . The cost made me go 0_0 and I have a 10% additional discount at my shop .

You're buying 5 vehicle boxes, a large flyer, 2 of the new expensive Centurion boxes, and 2 expensive Sternguard boxes, why did you think that would be cheap?

I'm guessing people want all that stuff for a ridiculously low price like 2 Rhinos for $10.

i t think it was 3 for 20?
http://paintbrushdestruction.blogspot.jp/2013/04/pre-heresy-rhino-detatchment.html

I find the Centerions atrocious, i think i am going the dystopian legion prusian knights instead.

There are ways of dropping the cost if you are prepared to cut corners. I just brought 60 tactical from Black Reach for £42 and equipped them with heavy weapons, special weapons from FW (yes FW is cheaper than bit sellers now if you buy in bulk) at about £1 a special weapon and £2 a heavy weapon under cutting both the box price and the price from a bits seller. Granted the poses are very similar but you can't drive a Ferrari on Toyota money.

Other option is badly painted pre owned and strip the figures down. Over the weekend I stripped down nearly 70 assault marines that had multiple paint jobs (seriously, who the F paints over the top of an existing paint job with thick paint?!?) that cost me a fraction of the box price.

My Ork infantry, several hundred of them, is all from Black Reach, cost me hardly anything once I sold off the rule books. A tube of green stuff and some bits from my bits boxes later and I've most things sorted. Only the vehicles did I have to buy anywhere near full price.

As a xenos player, I'm happy that grav guns are on the expensive centurian models! Riptides, MANS and broardsides are safe from the clubs resident space marine player! I think the price of the centurians put him off...

If I read the battle report in White Dwarf correctly, the Hunter is a dedicated anti-air, it cannot fire at nonflyers at all. That is a bit too one trick for my tastes if true. Not sure about the Stalker, since they didn't use one. I don't like bunched look of the tank body though. The weapons are very nice however and the box set isn't unreasonable.

I think the devastator Centurions are nice, intensely dislike the drilling arms on the assault versions though. Not really sure I like the entire idea behind them though, something more like a Dreadknight, without the silly terminator hanging out the front would have made more sense. And at 26 USD per model .... I might get a box for a friend as a gift, but they better be a very good friend.

And SM still have to pay 15 points (if what I read elsewhere is correct) for a power weapon but GK still get NFW for free?

Mostly a tyranid player with a good sized Blood Angel army as well. Will wait until someone lets us know if these new units will be usable by BA before I go out and buy anything for myself.

 migs6357 wrote:
As a xenos player, I'm happy that grav guns are on the expensive centurian models! Riptides, MANS and broardsides are safe from the clubs resident space marine player! I think the price of the centurians put him off...

grav cannons are, grav guns and pistols can be equipped on several other squads. A command squad can deck out in only grav guns if they wish for example. and the tac. sergeant can get a grav pistol and so on.

 migs6357 wrote:
As a xenos player, I'm happy that grav guns are on the expensive centurian models! Riptides, MANS and broardsides are safe from the clubs resident space marine player! I think the price of the centurians put him off...

Well, the Tactical box contains a grav gun, a grav pistol, and a grav combi weapon.

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:

Makumba wrote:
No idea but the cost is mind blowing . 3 tacticals 3 razorbacks 1biker chapy to be cpt , 1 DA biker unit , 1 stormraven ,6 centurions , 2 drop pods and 10 sternguard . The cost made me go 0_0 and I have a 10% additional discount at my shop .

You're buying 5 vehicle boxes, a large flyer, 2 of the new expensive Centurion boxes, and 2 expensive Sternguard boxes, why did you think that would be cheap?

I'm guessing people want all that stuff for a ridiculously low price like 2 Rhinos for $10.

Well it would be awesome , if I could have a good list without those . What else am I suppose to do ? walking stenguard and marines suffer to much from helldrakes and FMC lists. Centurions would have given me anti tank/anti flyer/anti infantry option . The cheap options like the DA marines from the starter set are bad, with their shoty terminators without cycloon , chaplains , non bike HQs etc And it is not the the first time this happen to people around here . Eldar and tau were only restarted here . There is not a single new tau or eldar player . Only old ones who already had broadsides , serpents etc. In fact I don't think we had a new player join and stay. Most when they see the cost of multiple big kites they need to play just drop to other systems .

special weapons from FW (yes FW is cheaper than bit sellers now if you buy in bulk) at about £1 a special weapon and £2 a heavy weapon under cutting both the box price and the price from a bits seller. Granted the poses are very similar but you can't drive a Ferrari on Toyota money.

FW would be an option if it didnt ask for credit cards and didn't ask so much for transport and if someone from the customs opens it and it costs over 100 Euro you have to pay a tax.

Wow those centurion models are fugly and then some, especially the assault based ones with the assault drills. Those gravity guns are fun if you play MEQ. Nothing like paying a premium for some terminators and watching them die in a single round to 2+ to wound them. I guess the key is to swarm the devastator centurians with cultists to limit their effectiveness.

Nice for marines that they now have *2* tanks that can handle AA duty. One has missiles that can try to home in if they miss and the other can target two different flyers at once. Good for the marines that they get a *second* vehicle that can shoot at different targets now. About the only saving grace is that it seems that AA is *all* they can do.

I just laughed loudly when I saw the prices for a lot of the new kits. Even funnier seeing some of the comments here acting as if the prices aren't that bad. Uh...yeah...I'm with the folks who find the prices of those new plastic character figs, the sternguard and the collector's codecies to just be insane. I was considering buying the baseline codex for options with my DA and SW armies, but seriously debating now. Oh well. Have already cut out most GW spending at this stage, so it isn't going to kill me to not buy any of these overpriced kits either.

Skriker


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 nwns wrote:
Same old comments about cost on here, do none of you have other hobbies? Golf, Classic Cars, horse riding, computer games, collecting antiques, vinyl collecting, etc

I have a classic car and TBH fuel to get to an event will get you most of the way to a reasonable 500pt army.

Hobbies cost money and this is a fun one, buy a set, paint it, buy the next one....or buy what you want and leave it all half done like me because you're lacking in time.

It's really not large sums of money to a working adult.

Sorry but comparing playing 40k to collecting classic cars, horse riding, golf, collecting antiques and other high end hobbies is a bit preposterous. 40k is a *game* and shouldn't even be remotely close to those things in cost, but it is. Why is that? Because people compare it to other more expensive hobbies to validate the crazy prices. I should not be able to purchase 2 new handguns for my collection for less than it costs to buy a new 1500 space marine army. It is crazy and as long as people keep convincing themselves that all hobbies are not cheap it will get worse and worse. There are plenty of cheap hobbies out there. There are also plenty of stupidly expensive hobbies out there. 40k is way overpriced for what it is: Plastic toy soliders for gaming on the table top. You can call them "collector's" minis, and label them however you like they are still painfully overpriced for what they are.

Skriker

So does anyone know if the costs of bikes? Are they more in line with CSM or DA, or what? Rumors said they were four points cheaper than current, but I assume that's per bike. What about the base cost?

DogofWar1 wrote:
So does anyone know if the costs of bikes? Are they more in line with CSM or DA, or what? Rumors said they were four points cheaper than current, but I assume that's per bike. What about the base cost?

Given the book isn't out yet the answer to that is about a week away...

Skriker

bikes are down to 84* percent of their original cost.