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I think he needs some more wounds and toughness though..

I like the Red Hunters tactic. For one turn, you can give squads who need it skyfire. Or not, if they don't have flyers.

Also, Inquisitors can FINALLY join other imperial units with the Red Hunters. FINALLY!

These are really cool chapter tactics.

As a Red Scorpions player, I am pleased. Even more so because the tactical squad apothecaries don't lose their wargear options like they did before. But no lookout sir for Culln? Ouch.

And Huron is awesome.

Fire Raptor is up for preorder

There is a newsletter that went out as well, but have not received it yet.
Fire Raptor looks really nice painted.

I've always been a fan of the Storm Raven (albeit mine are the stretched, CHS versions, but I love the mini Thinderhawk look it gives them, and always get compliments on my twins) and frankly this and the Storm Eagle give me a hobby boner.

I mentioned earlier, in another thread, about the mental shopping list all wargamers have and how the truly great models may sit there for years, but will eventually get bought, as their quality never fails to excite the person who wants it, this, the Storm Eagle and a T Hawk will be permanent fixtures in mine until the day they are bought, built and painted, love them!

Lugft Huron has AP2! Yes! Finally!

And quick question for all of you - if Armenneus Valthex gives a Sternguard squad his modified Hellfire rounds, can they still use (for example) vengeance rounds with the benefit of Poisoned (2+), considering that "their weapon profiles remain unchanged"?

Why would you give a Sternguard squad hellfire rounds? Give them to a tactical sqaud.....

Grarg wrote:
Why would you give a Sternguard squad hellfire rounds? Give them to a tactical sqaud.....

Rules argument with my friend a couple of hours ago...

...Although I do agree that they are much more effective on a tactical squad.

Magister Sevrin Loth is unbelievably overpowered. No need to roll for powers so he can take invisibility straight off the bat, decent combat statline, 2+ armour save which can be come a 2+ invulnerable save for expending one warp charge, fearless, counter attack and to top it off he only costs 10 points more than Tiggy.

Red Hunters may ally with Sisters of Battle on a Battle Brothers level if the Sisters detachment contains an inquisitor.

...............I could be wrong, but I don't believe SoB have had an inquisitor as a possible choice for their army since Witch Hunters long long ago, right?

TiamatRoar wrote:
Red Hunters may ally with Sisters of Battle on a Battle Brothers level if the Sisters detachment contains an inquisitor.

...............I could be wrong, but I don't believe SoB have had an inquisitor as a possible choice for their army since Witch Hunters long long ago, right?

Right.

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Magister Sevrin Loth is unbelievably overpowered. No need to roll for powers so he can take invisibility straight off the bat, decent combat statline, 2+ armour save which can be come a 2+ invulnerable save for expending one warp charge, fearless, counter attack and to top it off he only costs 10 points more than Tiggy.

Here's the balance to him (I do agree he's got some oomph to him though):
1) Once he picks a discipline, he has to pick all of his powers from that discipline. So while you might want him to get Invisibility, he's not able to get Invisibility and something awesome from one of the other disciplines
2) His statline is on part with the current SM librarians aren't they?
3) He can only make it a 2+ invuln save during his player's turn, so you can't just pop it off at the start of your opponent's turn and watch that sweet 2++ save him during the turn
4) I think at the end of the day I'd rather have Tiggy in most cases, but Sevrin does have some power behind him.

 pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Red Hunters may ally with Sisters of Battle on a Battle Brothers level if the Sisters detachment contains an inquisitor.

...............I could be wrong, but I don't believe SoB have had an inquisitor as a possible choice for their army since Witch Hunters long long ago, right?

Right.

Is that still the case with the new-ish digital codex release they just got a few days ago? The timing on the two might be related and I would hope that they'd be able to coordinate something like that within the same company.

 warboss wrote:

 pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Red Hunters may ally with Sisters of Battle on a Battle Brothers level if the Sisters detachment contains an inquisitor.

...............I could be wrong, but I don't believe SoB have had an inquisitor as a possible choice for their army since Witch Hunters long long ago, right?

Right.

Is that still the case with the new-ish digital codex release they just got a few days ago? The timing on the two might be related and I would hope that they'd be able to coordinate something like that within the same company.

The latest codex has no new units for the Adeptas Sororitas. In fact, it actually removes some (people speculate it's due to model production issues). The fact that they are referred to as "Sisters of Battle" instead of Adeptas Sororitas" also implies Forge World didn't know or think much on the new codex, too. Not that it really matters since even the 5th Edition old SoB codex didn't have inquisitors (and the last time they did have inquisitors, it was a different name for the codex)

TiamatRoar wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Red Hunters may ally with Sisters of Battle on a Battle Brothers level if the Sisters detachment contains an inquisitor.

...............I could be wrong, but I don't believe SoB have had an inquisitor as a possible choice for their army since Witch Hunters long long ago, right?

Right.

Is that still the case with the new-ish digital codex release they just got a few days ago? The timing on the two might be related and I would hope that they'd be able to coordinate something like that within the same company.

The latest codex has no new units for the Adeptas Sororitas. In fact, it actually removes some (people speculate it's due to model production issues). The fact that they are referred to as "Sisters of Battle" instead of Adeptas Sororitas" also implies Forge World didn't know or think much on the new codex, too. Not that it really matters since even the 5th Edition old SoB codex didn't have inquisitors (and the last time they did have inquisitors, it was a different name for the codex)

Not to be disagreeable, but Forge World has had access to material early on in production. They could be looking ahead to the next book--or there could be a supplement for the Adepta Sororitas book coming or any number of possible scenarios.

TiamatRoar wrote:
The latest codex has no new units for the Adeptas Sororitas. In fact, it actually removes some (people speculate it's due to model production issues).

One, it removed Kyrinov.

Nope, Loth has 2++ until controlling players next turn.

So if your opponent goes first, he won't get it, for half a turn.

His Warlord trait would be good against Grey Knights/Eldar Psyker spam.

Quite a bit of messing with the Force Org chart.

Tyberos makes 1 squad of Lightning Claw Termies Troops.

Chaplain Dreadnought is Scoring if he is your HQ. Shame its a Howling Griffon (Ultramarine Chapter Tactics)

Captain Mordaci Braylock makes all Terminators Squads scoring, he is Novamarines (Ultramarine Chapter Tactics) So you run a half decent Ultramarines 1st Company.

Captain Zhurkhal Androcles allows Elite Devastators aswell as Heavy, the Star Phantoms chapter Tactics, is pretty nice when coupled with that.

The Fire Hawks Chapter Tactics, allow scoring Vanguard and Assault Marines and adds Hand Flamers to the Ranged Weapons list in the armoury.

 pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
The latest codex has no new units for the Adeptas Sororitas. In fact, it actually removes some (people speculate it's due to model production issues).

One, it removed Kyrinov.

And Confessors.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

Not to be disagreeable, but Forge World has had access to material early on in production. They could be looking ahead to the next book--or there could be a supplement for the Adepta Sororitas book coming or any number of possible scenarios.

Hooboy, here comes the rumours of the next SoB codex

TiamatRoar wrote:

 pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
The latest codex has no new units for the Adeptas Sororitas. In fact, it actually removes some (people speculate it's due to model production issues).

One, it removed Kyrinov.

And Confessors.

Well, confessors only had one model and that was Kyrinov... but point taken.

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Magister Sevrin Loth is unbelievably overpowered. No need to roll for powers so he can take invisibility straight off the bat, decent combat statline, 2+ armour save which can be come a 2+ invulnerable save for expending one warp charge, fearless, counter attack and to top it off he only costs 10 points more than Tiggy.

Let's not exaggerate too much here. The 2++ is one of the most overrated rules in the game. He doesn't give it to his squad, so you can kill everything else just fine with AP 2 weapons and then spam him to death with mass lasguns/bolters/etc. It's a decent upgrade to have, but he's hardly an unstoppable tank.

As for powers, he's worse than the codex psyker character there. So you're paying extra points and giving up effectiveness as a psyker for some modest combat improvements. That's not really anything to be afraid of.

-Shrike- wrote:
Lugft Huron has AP2! Yes! Finally!

QFT! With the new way power weapons work in 6th, that's a pretty big change.

And quick question for all of you - if Armenneus Valthex gives a Sternguard squad his modified Hellfire rounds, can they still use (for example) vengeance rounds with the benefit of Poisoned (2+), considering that "their weapon profiles remain unchanged"?

The way it's worded, I think that poisoned modifies the base profile and not to the special ammo (which replaces the weapon profile when used), so I think it would give them another option rather than stack. Nasty idea, though.

Well that's a pisser, Vaylund Cal has gone from being awesome to meh. He's still a combat monster, but they extended his restrictions so you can no longer take a Chapter Master OR a MotF with him. On top of that, he no longer grants army-wide Fearless, and instead of giving "appropriately modelled" Devastator Squads FnP(default, so 5+ not the 6+ you get from CT:IH) for nothing, now you still need to model them properly, and your reward is the option to pay 50pts to give them +1 toughness....woop-de-doo. Since you can turn any old IH Chapter Master into a combat monster now, he's pretty much pointless unless you wanted to take a Librarian or Chaplain anyway.

Also, going by RAW, you're not allowed to use any of the new FW Chapter Tactics to represent the Exorcists, since it explicitly states "of the player's choosing from Codex: Space Marines", so that's my Exorcists army invalidated then since I use Sevrin Loth's rules for my HQ.

So, thanks FW, my Exorcists are down the drain and my Iron Hands need a rewrite >:/

re: exorcists, I assume any sane opponent who's let you use servin loth before will let you use him now, assuming you're using the appropriate chapter rules too.

re: vaylund, yeah, that sucks- though I've never agreed with free upgrades for modelling, I do agree that that's a pretty pricey increase. For reference, though, how much does mark of nurgle cost by comparison?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Also, going by RAW, you're not allowed to use any of the new FW Chapter Tactics to represent the Exorcists, since it explicitly states "of the player's choosing from Codex: Space Marines", so that's my Exorcists army invalidated then since I use Sevrin Loth's rules for my HQ.

So just play Ex0rcists, a Red Scorpions successor chapter that uses their chapter tactics and HQ character. "Exorcists" has no rules meaning, it's just how you paint and fluff your army.

Edit: Ack, nevermind

So would these chapter tactics be legal for normal 40k play?

 l0k1 wrote:
So would these chapter tactics be legal for normal 40k play?

Yes.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Fire Raptor is up for preorder

There is a newsletter that went out as well, but have not received it yet.
Fire Raptor looks really nice painted.

I love that model so much. First they gave us a 40k A-10, now we also have a 40k AC-130.

Quick digression - if I get one, how would I paint it? it can't be in Blood Raven livery since they're not a first founding chapter, right? - and they would never offend the machine spirit of such a venerable craft by repainting it. For what I have I'd have to go with Ultramarines or Iron Warriors?


Sadly, "how to paint it" is almost always first and final roadblock for me in these kinds of projects. I still haven't worked on my warhound because of that.

Deathwatch colors.

What, like Black and Silver?