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Corsairs and Cold One Knights were new releases last edition and don't fit in with the current models at all-they're far superior sculpts. If you DE players get new sculpts, I'm sure they'll be in line with the current corsairs and COKs. The hydra is likely only getting a new sculpt because of the dual-kit thing GW has taken a liking to.


Misspoke: "year" should have been "edition". Has been fixed now.

How are Dark Elves ruleswise now? Are they a stronger tier army? Last I played them a decade ago I couldn't make them work.

DEs are still amazing right now, even with their older book. I am so stoked for this release!!! Man is wallet going to hate me!

 Aerethan wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I have the book and in that and looking on line - they still appear to have lots of sleek toned flesh on display?

They are referring to the vast under sexualization that Daemonettes received when they were last updated. No bare breasts/nipples.

I agree that if the new witches are not as seductive as they are written to be that the Ragin Heroes will be standing in for me.

My issue with the current Daemonettes versus the Diaz (?) ones was the latter were beautifully sculpted and full of flowing lines and much as they are described in the fluff - the new ones for me don;t work as well - especially the seekers.

Don't need bare breasts but hopefully the new Witch Elves will be both extremely deadily and very beatutiful - as they should be Its a sterotype/wish fulfillment but thats no bad thing

I am just happy the witches are getting new models period. Anything new, I hope, will be better than the old ones.

If GW was smart they'd release this in November and hope people confuse Thor Dark Elves with their Dark Elves.

Of course I'm surprised they haven't tried to sue Disney yet over the Dark Elves title.

 Harriticus wrote:
If GW was smart they'd release this in November and hope people confuse Thor Dark Elves with their Dark Elves.
Of course I'm surprised they haven't tried to sue Disney yet over the Dark Elves title.

They might try to sue Marvel over their Dark Elf King Malekith, even if it was first mentoned by marvel in the 60s

 Harriticus wrote:
Of course I'm surprised they haven't tried to sue Disney yet over the Dark Elves title.

I think even GW has enough sense of self-preservation to not get into a lawyer-off with Disney.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
If GW was smart they'd release this in November and hope people confuse Thor Dark Elves with their Dark Elves.
Of course I'm surprised they haven't tried to sue Disney yet over the Dark Elves title.

They might try to sue Marvel over their Dark Elf King Malekith, even if it was first mentoned by marvel in the 60s

Seeing how Marvel is a subsect of Disney now, I think they're safe from this particular annoyance. Nobody feths with The Mouse.

 Mr Morden wrote:


My issue with the current Daemonettes versus the Diaz (?) ones was the latter were beautifully sculpted and full of flowing lines and much as they are described in the fluff - the new ones for me don;t work as well - especially the seekers.

Don't need bare breasts but hopefully the new Witch Elves will be both extremely deadily and very beatutiful - as they should be Its a sterotype/wish fulfillment but thats no bad thing

Aye this is where I am.

When I say Daemonetted, I mean go from some of the best looking sculpts in the whole damned range, to one of the worst.

 Mr Morden wrote:
My issue with the current Daemonettes versus the Diaz (?) ones was the latter were beautifully sculpted and full of flowing lines and much as they are described in the fluff - the new ones for me don;t work as well - especially the seekers.

From Realm of Chaos - Slaves to Darkness (1988), "Like Slaanesh, the Daemonettes are beautiful, but their beauty is perverse and unnatural, and causes loathing rather than admiration."

"The Daemonettes stand nearly as tall as a man, and are white skinned with deep green saucer-like eyes. Their figures and faces are something like those of Human women, but they have only one breast... Their arms end in chitinous crab-like claws, they have two-toed, clawed feet and a razor edged tail."

While I can't argue with your personal opinion on the models' aesthetics, I can argue that Diaz's sculpts did not accurately represent the models as per their fluff. The new plastics are a spot on rendition of the daemonettes' original background, quoted above.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Hi,
many sources point to a Dark Elf armbook release in October. Here the latest 40k Radio rumours:

NEW RUMORS for Warhammer Fantasy! My "source" has sent me pictures of the new Dark Elf release. The Dark Elves will be out in October with a slew of new models:

1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box(Makes Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen)
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner(Pulled by horses)
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne(This model is AMAZING)
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box

This will be a huge release and the Dark Elves will be the best looking Fantasy army, IMHO. These models are breathe taking and Dark Elf fans will have their minds blown!

HOLY ****. Seriously. I don't say that often with regards to modern GW releases. But Dark Elves, especially if Jes Goodwin's been sculpting, with new everything it seems (I especially want Warriors and Dark Riders), will be the greatest release of all time, no doubt. Might have to order a massive Dark Elf army if this ends up being true.

EDIT: High Elves got screwed if the above list of releases is true.

Double EDIT: I hope Mat Ward or someone who knows what being competitive means wrote the book.

 Therion wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Hi,
many sources point to a Dark Elf armbook release in October. Here the latest 40k Radio rumours:

NEW RUMORS for Warhammer Fantasy! My "source" has sent me pictures of the new Dark Elf release. The Dark Elves will be out in October with a slew of new models:

1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box(Makes Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen)
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner(Pulled by horses)
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne(This model is AMAZING)
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box

This will be a huge release and the Dark Elves will be the best looking Fantasy army, IMHO. These models are breathe taking and Dark Elf fans will have their minds blown!

HOLY ****. Seriously. I don't say that often with regards to modern GW releases. But Dark Elves, especially if Jes Goodwin's been sculpting, with new everything it seems (I especially want Warriors and Dark Riders), will be the greatest release of all time, no doubt. Might have to order a massive Dark Elf army if this ends up being true.

EDIT: High Elves got screwed if the above list of releases is true.

Double EDIT: I hope Mat Ward or someone who knows what being competitive means wrote the book.

Translation: "I want my turn to be the most filthy, OP book!!!11!!1!!!!!1!"

And yes, how horrible of GW to not give High Elves a bazillion new plastic kits when the bulk of their army is already plastic, and instead put more resources into refreshing one of the oldest and most tired looking model lines in the game.
Boy, it must really suck to be a HE player who has a near entirely plastic army... I'm betting all those DE players are just seething in anger that they won't be able to build every single one of their Special units from Finecast boxes anymore.

Translation: "I want my turn to be the most filthy, OP book!!!11!!1!!!!!1!"

Translation: "I've no idea what I'm talking about".

I play almost every army in the game (having been in the hobby for about 21 years now), but I could buy new models since the DE really need it and Jes Goodwin is the best sculptor on GW.

And yes, how horrible of GW to not give High Elves a bazillion new plastic kits when the bulk of their army is already plastic, and instead put more resources into refreshing one of the oldest and most tired looking model lines in the game.
Boy, it must really suck to be a HE player who has a near entirely plastic army... I'm betting all those DE players are just seething in anger that they won't be able to build every single one of their Special units from Finecast boxes anymore.

Many High Elves units still look like garbage. Especially their core units. Thanks for coming.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
From Realm of Chaos - Slaves to Darkness (1988), "Like Slaanesh, the Daemonettes are beautiful, but their beauty is perverse and unnatural, and causes loathing rather than admiration."

"The Daemonettes stand nearly as tall as a man, and are white skinned with deep green saucer-like eyes. Their figures and faces are something like those of Human women, but they have only one breast... Their arms end in chitinous crab-like claws, they have two-toed, clawed feet and a razor edged tail."

While I can't argue with your personal opinion on the models' aesthetics, I can argue that Diaz's sculpts did not accurately represent the models as per their fluff. The new plastics are a spot on rendition of the daemonettes' original background, quoted above.

The new plastics are not beautiful, nor are their faces anything like those of human women, therefore they are not an accurate rendition of the daemonettes' original background either.

 Therion wrote:


Double EDIT: I hope Mat Ward or someone who knows what being competitive means wrote the book.

I hope Mat Ward was nowhere near my Dark Elves. We may have some undercosted stuff (Hydra, Pendant of Khaeleth) but we're not broken. I wish it to remain that way.

Is Gav Thorpe still doing Army books nowadays? He's who I'd want writing it as he actually knows Dark Elves (having written the current book and it's predecessor, along with the Malekith novel) and so won't mess up the characters and will get the fluff right.

99% likely that all the good magic items will either be removed or nerfed out of use.

My predictions:
Tome of Furion- dropped
Sacrificial Dagger- dropped or points increase beyond taking
Crimson Death- MIGHT be left alone
Lifetaker- dropped
Heartseeker- points increase
Armor of Darkness-removed because a crazy expensive verision already exists in the BRB
Armor of Eternal Servitude- removed or made to 55+ points
Null Talisman-removed or unable to stack beyond X imposed
Ring of Hotek- cost increase
Pendant of Khaeleth- removed or points increased to 55+
Guiding Eye- left alone, not currently broken or too cheap
Banner of Murder- removed because a crazy expensive verision already exists in the BRB
Banner of Hag Graef- removed or cost increase beyond use
Hydra Banner-removed(already a crap cost item)
Banner of Nagarythe- stay the same, and also be a stupid hard counter to some army therefore getting banned nearly everywhere.

I dearly hope it isn't Matt Ward. While he has been making better balanced books for fantasy recently he has also added rules that slow down the game horribly. Play speed isn't something Ward appears to be concerned with these days.

If the kits coming out are good, I think GW will have re-cornered the Dark Elf line from third parties. This may kill any further Dark Elf plans Raging Heroes has. Although their current handling of their last KS may do that also.....

Another note from 40k Radio:
The WE are incredible. They all have dynamic poses and look very fluid. Their hair are like the original models in the 90's but its not as big. If your a fan of the WE, you will be stoked about these models.

Sounds like we may have more of 4th ed feel for the army. Or for the Witch Elves at least.

 Aerethan wrote:
99% likely that all the good magic items will either be removed or nerfed out of use.

My predictions:
Tome of Furion- dropped
Sacrificial Dagger- dropped or points increase beyond taking
Crimson Death- MIGHT be left alone
Lifetaker- dropped
Heartseeker- points increase
Armor of Darkness-removed because a crazy expensive verision already exists in the BRB
Armor of Eternal Servitude- removed or made to 55+ points
Null Talisman-removed or unable to stack beyond X imposed
Ring of Hotek- cost increase
Pendant of Khaeleth- removed or points increased to 55+
Guiding Eye- left alone, not currently broken or too cheap
Banner of Murder- removed because a crazy expensive verision already exists in the BRB
Banner of Hag Graef- removed or cost increase beyond use
Hydra Banner-removed(already a crap cost item)
Banner of Nagarythe- stay the same, and also be a stupid hard counter to some army therefore getting banned nearly everywhere.

I can see Crimson Death becoming a unique weapon carried by Kouran, who hopefully will be more than just a unit champion with fancy armour and a wicked weapon. Same goes for Tullaris.
Doubt they'll drop Lifetaker as it's been in this book and the previous and repeater crossbows are one of the Dark Elves calling cards.
If Ring of Hotek's cost goes up then they should reverse the FAQ and allow it to cause miscasts on targeting the unit again.
Armour of Darkness, Banner of Murder I agree will probably happen.
Pendant of Khaeleth I agree. I'll miss it dearly
Sac Dagger might see a slight points increase but I doubt it'll be too drastic.
Tome of Furion... I don't know, maybe a points increase?

Unrelated to magic items but I would like to see Malus Darkblade gain regeneration of some description as he has it in fluff.

 Aerethan wrote:
99% likely that all the good magic items will either be removed or nerfed out of use.

My predictions:
Tome of Furion- dropped
Sacrificial Dagger- dropped or points increase beyond taking
Crimson Death- MIGHT be left alone
Lifetaker- dropped
Heartseeker- points increase
Armor of Darkness-removed because a crazy expensive verision already exists in the BRB
Armor of Eternal Servitude- removed or made to 55+ points
Null Talisman-removed or unable to stack beyond X imposed
Ring of Hotek- cost increase
Pendant of Khaeleth- removed or points increased to 55+
Guiding Eye- left alone, not currently broken or too cheap
Banner of Murder- removed because a crazy expensive verision already exists in the BRB
Banner of Hag Graef- removed or cost increase beyond use
Hydra Banner-removed(already a crap cost item)
Banner of Nagarythe- stay the same, and also be a stupid hard counter to some army therefore getting banned nearly everywhere.

Don't forget some items become unique to special characters. So they may remain as is.

See the "big" weapon remaining the Executioner's Axe and possibly getting HKB.
Lifetaker is unique enough I could see it sticking around, but modified possibly. Say Magical multi-shot x3.
Maybe one of the lances, but not sure.
See the Black Amulet sticking around. It has been a DE staple since 4th.
Sacrificial Dagger may turn into something similar to Ogre Gutscythe and have a rule where on a certain roll, the unit kills the caster.
Agree with the Banner of Nagarythe sticking around with some multi-combat enhancing ability.

Also curious as to how the Gifts of Khaine will look. Speculation the "Warlocks" of the Dark Rider kit may be special Khanite light cav kit.

 silent25 wrote:

Sacrificial Dagger may turn into something similar to Ogre Gutscythe and have a rule where on a certain roll, the unit kills the caster.

I doubt those being sacrificed would dare. If they killed the sorceress and it cost the general the battle, that general will ensure that those responsible wished they were dead but not actually kill them. Druchii discipline, plotting and fear wins out as every one of their comrades killed allows them to have a greater chance of promotion after the battle.

So from a fluff standpoint I'd disagree with that.

That or GW is reversing the 'no male wizards' thing that they replaced the no chariots of previous editions. Of course novels have already had male Wizards rolling around so it was kinda broken already.

Warlocks seems an odd Khaine unit title for me. Was still hoping Disciples of Khaine would finally make an appearance, oh and still hoping for a Crone Hellebron figure.

On a side note, 4th edition Witchies suit me fine, I still have some kicking around and I sold two armies worth of Druchii in the past when I bailed on Fantasy twice. Yeah, I have a love/hate relationship with the fantasy rule set.

I agree that male Khainites are not very well represented in the army currently.

I'd also love to see assassins become worth taking.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
That or GW is reversing the 'no male wizards' thing that they replaced the no chariots of previous editions. Of course novels have already had male Wizards rolling around so it was kinda broken already.

Which novels are those? I've read the Malus Darkblade ones and the closest to a sorcerer in that is Malus' lame brother (can't remember his name)...

But he was a priest of Khaine so I thought his powers were Khainite in origin, rather than from the winds of magic.

There was a Khaine priest in one of the Chaos novels I read about a Kurgan, can't remember the name of the book though.

 Aerethan wrote:
I agree that male Khainites are not very well represented in the army currently.

I'd also love to see assassins become worth taking.

Assassins are already worth taking! Anything more will definitely be welcomed though!

furbyballer wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
I agree that male Khainites are not very well represented in the army currently.

I'd also love to see assassins become worth taking.

Assassins are already worth taking! Anything more will definitely be welcomed though!

Hardly. They are glass cannons at best, and the cost for them to make their 1 turn of attacks is too high.

I'd be much happier with them if they had some mechanic like 7th edition Caradryan, where if they die they almost always take their killer with them.

furbyballer wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
I agree that male Khainites are not very well represented in the army currently.

I'd also love to see assassins become worth taking.

Assassins are already worth taking! Anything more will definitely be welcomed though!

They're a bit too fragile at the moment. We have to pay to get a ward save which is worse than the one which Skaven assassins get for free. And Skaven Assassins are tougher to begin with. Ours are harder to hit by anything WS4 and lower but that's about all they have to keep them alive unless you want to spend your Gifts of Khaine points on a 5+ ward, which brings them to the same cost as a Skaven Assassin.

They can be very effective when they've got rending stars in a unit of Shades, however.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
That or GW is reversing the 'no male wizards' thing that they replaced the no chariots of previous editions. Of course novels have already had male Wizards rolling around so it was kinda broken already.

Warlocks seems an odd Khaine unit title for me. Was still hoping Disciples of Khaine would finally make an appearance, oh and still hoping for a Crone Hellebron figure.

On a side note, 4th edition Witchies suit me fine, I still have some kicking around and I sold two armies worth of Druchii in the past when I bailed on Fantasy twice. Yeah, I have a love/hate relationship with the fantasy rule set.

Is Warlocks any odder than Witch Elves for the signature Khanite unit? If the recent plastic kits are any indicator, Hellebron may have parts in the Witch Elf kit. That there are no clamp packs may be GW assuming you can kitbash a Dreadlord on foot from the Ex/BG and Warrior kits.

Besides looking good, worry that all these infantry kits will be $50+ to match the current pricing for the WoC Forsaken and the HE Shadow Warrior kits.

Prediction for pricing:
1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box $50/40€/£30
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks $40/35€/£25
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners $50/40€/£30
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner $40/35€/£25
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne $85/65€/£50
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken $85/65€/£50
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box $50/40€/£30

So an army similar to current ones would cost:
40 Warriors: $200/160€/£120
4 x 5 Dark Riders: $160/140€/£100
20 BG: $100/80€/£60
30 Witch Elves: $150/120€/£90
2 Hydras: $170/130€/£100
1 Cauldron: $85/65€/£50
Total: $865/695€/£520

That is an expensive army. So while we're in the honeymoon phase right now of happy rumors, realizing that those figs will be a pretty penny. Best hope is that there is an equivalent to the Strike Force box form the SM with a similar cost savings.

Aye, I might just have to order a strike force equivalent off Wayland.. and damn the wait.