Krinsath wrote:
Another major reason to be skeptical is a rumor of 7 new plastic kits including re-makes. If their most popular line for their most popular game only gets 4 new kits with a recut of their troops, I have a hard time believing they'd sink that much into a WHFB range at this point. Witch elves and a Black Guard/Executioner box would make sense, as would anything else eliminating FineCast, but if they didn't redo any of the high elf core boxes why would they redo 2 Dark Elf ones?

If you take the "already in plastic" nonsense out it becomes more credible, but this sounds like wishlisting/traffic grab more than a rumor I'd put any stock in without corroboration.

 silent25 wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
That or GW is reversing the 'no male wizards' thing that they replaced the no chariots of previous editions. Of course novels have already had male Wizards rolling around so it was kinda broken already.

Warlocks seems an odd Khaine unit title for me. Was still hoping Disciples of Khaine would finally make an appearance, oh and still hoping for a Crone Hellebron figure.

On a side note, 4th edition Witchies suit me fine, I still have some kicking around and I sold two armies worth of Druchii in the past when I bailed on Fantasy twice. Yeah, I have a love/hate relationship with the fantasy rule set.

Is Warlocks any odder than Witch Elves for the signature Khanite unit? If the recent plastic kits are any indicator, Hellebron may have parts in the Witch Elf kit. That there are no clamp packs may be GW assuming you can kitbash a Dreadlord on foot from the Ex/BG and Warrior kits.

Besides looking good, worry that all these infantry kits will be $50+ to match the current pricing for the WoC Forsaken and the HE Shadow Warrior kits.

Prediction for pricing:
1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box $50/40€/£30
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks $40/35€/£25
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners $50/40€/£30
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner $40/35€/£25
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne $85/65€/£50
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken $85/65€/£50
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box $50/40€/£30

So an army similar to current ones would cost:
40 Warriors: $200/160€/£120
4 x 5 Dark Riders: $160/140€/£100
20 BG: $100/80€/£60
30 Witch Elves: $150/120€/£90
2 Hydras: $170/130€/£100
1 Cauldron: $85/65€/£50
Total: $865/695€/£520

That is an expensive army. So while we're in the honeymoon phase right now of happy rumors, realizing that those figs will be a pretty penny. Best hope is that there is an equivalent to the Strike Force box form the SM with a similar cost savings.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I have the book and in that and looking on line - they still appear to have lots of sleek toned flesh on display?

They are referring to the vast under sexualization that Daemonettes received when they were last updated. No bare breasts/nipples.

I agree that if the new witches are not as seductive as they are written to be that the Ragin Heroes will be standing in for me.

My issue with the current Daemonettes versus the Diaz (?) ones was the latter were beautifully sculpted and full of flowing lines and much as they are described in the fluff - the new ones for me don;t work as well - especially the seekers.

Don't need bare breasts but hopefully the new Witch Elves will be both extremely deadily and very beatutiful - as they should be Its a sterotype/wish fulfillment but thats no bad thing

 Kanluwen wrote:
None of those price points make any kind of sense though.

Shadow Warriors/Sisters of Avelorn aren't core troops. They're Special/Rare.
At the absolute worst I would think $24.75 for 10 models on the Warrior/Witch Elf sets.
Thinking $29.00(worst case scenario: 33) for the Dark Riders/Warlocks(who after I did a bit of digging are mentioned in a roundabout way in "The Sundering" trilogy. They're not what you think they are.) double kit if the Empire Pistoliers/Outriders set or the Black Knight/Hexwraith kits are anything to go by.

Black Guard/Executioners I'm guessing will be something like $41.25 for 10.

Hopefully though we're not going to see 10 model sets and instead see sensible numbers given the size of infantry blocks this edition but I would not expect that.

 Kanluwen wrote:

None of those price points make any kind of sense though.

Shadow Warriors/Sisters of Avelorn aren't core troops. They're Special/Rare.
At the absolute worst I would think $24.75 for 10 models on the Warrior/Witch Elf sets.
Thinking $29.00(worst case scenario: 33) for the Dark Riders/Warlocks(who after I did a bit of digging are mentioned in a roundabout way in "The Sundering" trilogy. They're not what you think they are.) double kit if the Empire Pistoliers/Outriders set or the Black Knight/Hexwraith kits are anything to go by.

Black Guard/Executioners I'm guessing will be something like $41.25 for 10.

Hopefully though we're not going to see 10 model sets and instead see sensible numbers given the size of infantry blocks this edition but I would not expect that.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
My issue with the current Daemonettes versus the Diaz (?) ones was the latter were beautifully sculpted and full of flowing lines and much as they are described in the fluff - the new ones for me don;t work as well - especially the seekers.

From Realm of Chaos - Slaves to Darkness (1988), "Like Slaanesh, the Daemonettes are beautiful, but their beauty is perverse and unnatural, and causes loathing rather than admiration."

"The Daemonettes stand nearly as tall as a man, and are white skinned with deep green saucer-like eyes. Their figures and faces are something like those of Human women, but they have only one breast... Their arms end in chitinous crab-like claws, they have two-toed, clawed feet and a razor edged tail."

While I can't argue with your personal opinion on the models' aesthetics, I can argue that Diaz's sculpts did not accurately represent the models as per their fluff. The new plastics are a spot on rendition of the daemonettes' original background, quoted above.

 JOHIRA wrote:
Hmmm...Best of luck to the Dark Eldar players- your army catalog needs updating more than anyone else I can think of.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Erm ... Wood Elves?

 Krinsath wrote:
Brettonians are a bit long in the tooth as well. They still have *metal* models in their catalog for Pete's sake!

 Scott_K wrote:
Pictures, or it isn't real

 Kroothawk wrote:
Actually, this time I am looking forward to the limited edition armybook design. Was great for High ELves, will hopefully top that.

 JOHIRA wrote:
Hmmm...Best of luck to the Dark Eldar players- your army catalog needs updating more than anyone else I can think of.

Erm ... Wood Elves?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Actually, this time I am looking forward to the limited edition armybook design. Was great for High ELves, will hopefully top that.

 JOHIRA wrote:
Hmmm...Best of luck to the Dark Eldar players- your army catalog needs updating more than anyone else I can think of.

Erm ... Wood Elves?

Lion275 over at Warseer wrote:Even though it is 40k radio both myself and the other host both play a lot of WHFB. We can't and won't show pics unless our source gives us the ok. The pictures we have received are the high res pictures that will be in the WD. If you have any questions I will be more than happy to answer them to my utmost ability here or on our Facebook page.

As of right now we only have the pics, no details on the book. Last time we got the pictures and then the book a little later. As soon as we get more info we will pass it on. So as far as the weapons I can only go off the pictures. Here is what I see:

Warlocks appear to have one hand weapon
The new chariot crew is armed with spears and what looks to be a large crossbow or bolt thrower on the chariot.

The pictures have me thinking I want to collect another Dark Elves army. We have not received pics of any of the characters but that doesn't mean there won't be any.

The new Warriors look quite different to me. But then again I am a big geek that notices stuff like that. They have cloaks that come down their back and all the helmets don't cover the eyes any more.

The warlocks are bare chested, and the weapons look mundane...aka not glowing. They look like large jagged daggers. They are held in reverse grips which looks pretty slick. The warlock champions eyes are glowing which IMO hints at some magical abilities. md as far as the warriors go I think a big difference will be the size of them. Look at the size difference between Isle of Blood Lothern Sea Guard and the normal High Elves spearman.

Im really excited to hear about a plastic hydra finally.

It looks bigger and beefier. Like we said Dark Elves are setting the bar for the best range of models in WHFB.

Can you tell what size base the hydra is on?

I can't really tell from the pic. The two handlers are actually on the base so I don't have their base size to compare to. Sorry.

The cloaks hang down from underneath the shoulder armor and cover the back of the chain mail. It definitely is new for them but it looks really cool. The Druchii warriors also have shoulder armor. It makes them look simply awesome. The skull embossed on their shields looks great too. Yes the Hydra does have 2 handlers.

The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings. The Executioners appear to have skull faced helms. The theme to me appears to be a more sinister version of their High Elf bretheren. The plate armor has very spiked and jagged edges. The style will still fit well with the Shades and Reaper but next to these new models they will look very dated.

-The Kraken has 5 heads/fanged maws. The have spines and scales with smooth neck and belly flesh. Scales are painted a Dark Grey with the softer flesh painted blue. Looks awesome.
-The pictures we have of the Witch Elves has them with two hand weapons.
-Black Guard look very stalwart with large halberds and high helms with 3 spikes on each side with a flowing plume on top. Their armor is black trimmed in gold and they have dark purple cloaks. The unit champion is holding a sword by the hilt with the blade planted in the ground. Musician is a drummer.
-The executioners have what look like skull helms, and their armor is a brighter silver than the Black Guard. Their tunics are red in color and the Draiches are all held on the left hand side of their bodies (their left our right). They look very cool ranked up.

The Dark Riders are very cool looking. Sleek looking horses with only a bit of armor. All of the Riders are hunched over in the saddle to give the illusion of speeding fast cav. The helmets appear to be open faced and they are armed with spears in the picture I have, once again that doesn't mean they wont get crossbows (in the pictures we have they are in the back ground behind the Warlocks). The Kraken doesn't have tentacles, it has four legs with webbed appendages ending in claws and it also has a tail. The Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne look very cool. If you are a fan of the newer larger models GW has been putting out for WHFB you will really dig it. It is a bit toned down compared to the Empire Celestial Hurricanum/Luminark of Hysh and has blades and hooks on it to make it very sinister and Dark Elf. I also want to say thanks for such the warm welcome. I am glad that you guys are fired up for this release. As soon as more info becomes available to us I will share it on our Facebook and post here too. I will continue to answer questions about the models to the best of my ability and thank you for being very understanding as to why we cant release the pictures sent to us. You guys are awesome!

zhangyi over at Warseer wrote:so i've got something new to say.
someone just told me that dark elf have army-wide ASF rule.

Silvertongue over at Warseer wrote:More info from the FB thread:

Execs use swords (phew!). Black Guards look "amazing", with bulkier shoulders and tall helmets with plumes, so I guess pretty much like they look now (in that respect at least).
The Cauldron has six wheels and two staircases leading up to the platform with the big statue of Khaine. It is not pulled by anything, so maybe (my assumption it will be used like the Screaming Bell? Three Witch Elves on it, lots of spikes and blades.

Edit: and more! The Witch Elves have loincloths and bras (obviously) and look "vicious". On the Throne, there is something that looks like half-Witch Elf, half Medusa, with snakes as hair.

Now I'm almost literally foaming.

Also, weren't there, a month or so ago, a batch of rumours that said something like "Cauldron kit makes both the CoB and a Medusa thing" that we all thought were too wishlisty? It could be useful to find them and re-evaluate them.
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Found it:

First post so be kind. I have a friend who works for GW and he told me about 2 weeks ago about a dual kit hydra / some other monster, dual kit plastic witch elves / sisters of slaughter, new cauldron and medusa kit thing was his exact words. not sure if anyone else has mentioned these.

By Arthurius11, in the now-locked thread that preceded this one. Now, we haven't heard anything about Sisters of Slaughter by the guys of 40k radio, but that doesn't mean it's not real. Perhaps it's a simple weapon swap that wasn't featured in the pics they received or something like that.

Edit: The new Hydra is beefier than the current one. And the WEs on the Throne use spears.

I have to say, they are being quite nice answering all my questions! I don't want to pester them, though.

Edit: Warlocks are bare-chested, with long flowing hair, painted white. They seem to have black eyes (or no eyes), except for the champion, whose eyes are glowing. Dark Riders are cloaked (of course), and hunched over in the saddle, in order to present a low profile.

And that should be all from me today. I need to sleep. Someone else ask them things!

DeathlessDraich over at Warseer wrote:The following might have already been mentioned - apologies - haven't read every post.
I can't verify the validity or the source. I think only one or 2 out of the 6 below will turn out to be true. We shall see - in the last week of September.

1) 2 new monsters (or monstrous units?) not 1. One monster from Karond Kar (Is this the Kraken? Does it fly? - I don't know) and the other may be from Har Ganeth

2) Temple of Khaine artifacts remain - Don't know whether there are new poisons or not

3) Maybe a new unit from Har Ganeth or a modification for Executioners?

4) Improved Assassins - could be a Save or improved Hidden rules.

5) I think rumours of City Guard, Slaves etc are probably hopeful speculation. Dark Magic and Black Horror will probably remain as do all the present units but following latest trends there are bound to be new units.

I am hoping for interesting new additions/improvements to the rules.

shabbadoo wrote:I would recommend that it might just be a good idea for everyone to NOT give anybody much of a hassle over this "wish-listy" list, because there is no wishing there at all. OK, before saying anything this sweeping and all-encompassing, I better look at it again...

Nope. Nothing wish-listy there apparently. If you play Dark Elves, and you like that list (and, yes, that is not everything), you might as well pop the champagne already. Pics ought to start oozing out within a week if this turns out anything like Space Marines did, and I will add that pre-orders ought to go up on the 28th.

Lastly, before anybody puts their head up there butt and asks, "But how do YOU know?", just consider that one reason that I (and probably others) really don't say much of anything is precisely because so many of you jack-holes (you know who you are) have become fixated on asking that particular question, and incredulously seem to expect an informative answer of some sort. Say thanks to 40K Radio for sharing, and be done with it.

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People should have already pulled their head out of their butts on that issue when GW redid the Empire Cores, the Skaven Core, and the Beastmen Core. GW is obviously redoing the the poorer looking plastics as they can. Just because they do it for some armies and not for others doesn't mean that they have no plans to replace the poorer sets at all. They just don't have limitless production capability is all. As it seems like most everyone is mellowing out now, here is a small tidbit:

I honestly can't wait to see the pseudo-Medusa of the Blood Throne. It can be really awesome or horrid. I'm hoping for awesome!

It is definitely awesome. It looks somewhat like the Medusa from Clash of the Titans (the newer version of the movie)- snake from the waste down, hair of snakes, not too monstrous of a face; the pose is upright (body up high, supported by the tail). I don't know if players will be able to field this model on a base as its own unit or not (i.e. has its own independent unit entry in the army list), as has been the case with some other combo-kit models like this (the High Elf Lothern Skycutter Lord with trident on foot for instance). As to the crew of the Cauldron of Blood, they are in the style of the plastic Dark Elf Sorceress but are more dynamic with regard to the poses. Armies made up of only the newer models are going to look great on the game table.

As to the rest, I'll leave it to 40k Radio (who did a fine job with the Space Marines info, regardless of what some intarwebz fools with a seeming sense of entitlement might think) and others to drop, as they will no doubt do a great job this time around too. Pics should show up pretty soon I think, as more an more people have now seen them (and pre-orders are only 3 weeks away, or so I have been led to believe).

 Aerethan wrote:
We need pics!!!

My wallet hates this news.

RiTides wrote:Kroot, in your opinion does this really mean no mystery box, or could both somehow happen?

Kroothawk wrote:2.) This is the main October release. Doesn't completely rule out the mystery box, which was mostly rumoured to be a late month release (late September or late October). GW is not beyond big secret unadvertised releases, as the new spray paints show.

 KoganStyle wrote:
I really hope this is true, but won't it clash with the rumoured Inquisition skirmish game?