Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)

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**Scottywan82**

This rumor has me more excited than anything I've seen in over 2 years. I may need to start a Dark Elf army, especially if the "Warriors" box looks as sexy as I'm hoping/dreaming.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Couple of interesting bits from Seer, from the poster Lion275

Lion275 wrote:
SVKBaki wrote:Just some thoughts on that.

1. You have a hi-res pics from some source, fine. (therefore no early WD in the mail, I assume)
2. You can´t show them, for the safety of your sorce, completely understandable to me.
3. This forum is publicly accessible, somebody from GW is always reading it (we know it, few threads were under investigation and were put down)
4. The GW design studio is quite small, few people are working on DE release, so quite easily trackable the leak.

Conclusion: Aren´t you already hurting your source with accurately describing so much info weeks before release? Even Harry and Hastings told only some bits here and there, and never openly in any way.

Jut posting this in order for some of you to be not sad and delusioned, like you were after Empire release, which at first looked like release of the millenium. Anyways, is there any proof that the Lion is connected to 40K radio? The part with greek mythology style medusa is the hardest to believe for me.

Just some critical thinking, no offense of any kind intended.

Remember, remember,
The Ghost 21 ,
The Empire treason and plot,
I know of no reason
Why the Empire treason
Should ever be forgot!

I am indeed connected to 40k Radio. My name is Rik and I am one of the co-hosts along with Kyle and Chad. Feel free to drop by our facebook and I will gladly answer it on there too. My source has said I have free will to talk about and describe the pictures I have seen. I DO NOT have permission to put them up. Someone has been nice enough to send us pictures of the last two releases early and sent of the Space Marine codex early. So why would I betray his trust just to "prove" I am legit? The proof will come when the WD pics start coming out.

Ok so when we asked our source why the Dark Elves release was so large we got this answer:

Because many of the Dark Elves were so old and the poor designs were showing their age. They weren't getting any fan attention so they needed a full reboot.

Nice to see GW taking notice of models that are or aren't working.

So to answer the chariot question: It looks very sleek. The wheel is on the back part of the chariot. The chariot is very low to the ground. Once again it sounds weird but looks cool. Very low profile and ready to smash people.

As to the models I am looking forward to the most that is a really tough question. From a purely selfish standpoint the Warriors. From the look of them with some minor adjustments they would make great High Elves spear men. Over all though I would have to say Black Guard. Standing strong in their armor with burly looking halberds I would say they look the coolest IMO.

The only character picture we seem to have at the moment is Hellebron. That doesn't mean there wont be more.

The Executioners armor is a mixture of armor plates and chain mail.

Lion275 wrote:
Ramius4 wrote:
Thanks again Lion I am assuming the regular, cold one chariot has 2 wheels correct?

Nope both chariots have the one wheel. Cold One chariot has lots of blades of the front. Looks really good.

Hellebron!!! ...I just might have got a little excited.

**Kroothawk**

Lion275 wrote:
Ramius4 wrote:
Thanks again Lion I am assuming the regular, cold one chariot has 2 wheels correct?

Nope both chariots have the one wheel. Cold One chariot has lots of blades of the front. Looks really good.

I am quite certain that the chariot has one axle and two wheels though

**KoganStyle**

I hope those blades are in front of the Cold Ones, and not in front of the crew's cockpit, otherwise the Cold Ones won't be surviving that impact hit!

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Kroothawk wrote:
Lion275 wrote:
Ramius4 wrote:
Thanks again Lion I am assuming the regular, cold one chariot has 2 wheels correct?

Nope both chariots have the one wheel. Cold One chariot has lots of blades of the front. Looks really good.

I am quite certain that the chariot has one axle and two wheels though

unless the DE have gone for a monowheel (like the wheelbarrow below)?

**grimdark83**

Kroothawk wrote:
Lion275 wrote:
Ramius4 wrote:
Thanks again Lion I am assuming the regular, cold one chariot has 2 wheels correct?

Nope both chariots have the one wheel. Cold One chariot has lots of blades of the front. Looks really good.

I am quite certain that the chariot has one axle and two wheels though

Kroot, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will...... take your pictures.

We know you have them kroot so its your duty as a dakka member to leak them

**Souleater**

The new Die-Soon chariot?

**Kroothawk**

New summary by Last Avenger over at BOLS, mostly using lion's info:

1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box (Makes Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen)
The new Warriors look quite different to me. But then again I am a big geek that notices stuff like that. They have cloaks that come down their back and all the helmets don't cover the eyes any more.
The cloaks hang down from underneath the shoulder armor and cover the back of the chain mail. It definitely is new for them but it looks really cool. The Druchii warriors also have shoulder armor. It makes them look simply awesome. The skull embossed on their shields looks great too.
The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings.
It does not appear that any of the banners have designs sculpted onto them. The pictures we have of the warriors show 2 regiments, one armed with swords and shields and one armed with spears and shield. Our source tell us that they will make crossbows but we don't have a picture of them.

2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks
Warlocks appear to have one hand weapon
The warlocks are bare chested, and the weapons look mundane...aka not glowing. They look like large jagged daggers. They are held in reverse grips which looks pretty slick. The warlock champions eyes are glowing which IMO hints at some magical abilities.
The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings.
The Dark Riders are very cool looking. Sleek looking horses with only a bit of armor. All of the Riders are hunched over in the saddle to give the illusion of speeding fast cav. The helmets appear to be open faced and they are armed with spears in the picture I have, once again that doesn't mean they wont get crossbows (in the pictures we have they are in the back ground behind the Warlocks).
There does not appear to be a command group for the Warlocks, only a unit champion.

3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners
The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings. The Executioners appear to have skull faced helms. The theme to me appears to be a more sinister version of their High Elf bretheren. The plate armor has very spiked and jagged edges. The style will still fit well with the Shades and Reaper but next to these new models they will look very dated.
-Black Guard look very stalwart with large halberds and high helms with 3 spikes on each side with a flowing plume on top. Their armor is black trimmed in gold and they have dark purple cloaks. The unit champion is holding a sword by the hilt with the blade planted in the ground. Musician is a drummer.
-The executioners have what look like skull helms, and their armor is a brighter silver than the Black Guard. Their tunics are red in color and the Draiches are all held on the left hand side of their bodies (their left our right). They look very cool ranked up.
The Executioner champ is armed with an axe and is holding the decapitated head of a High Elf. Pretty dang cool.

4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner (Pulled by horses)
The new chariot crew is armed with spears and what looks to be a large crossbow or bolt thrower on the chariot.
For the Scroungerunner charoit the crew look similar to Corsairs. The passenger shooting the crossbow/boltthrower has what appears to be a sea dragon cloak on. There are reins but they look like just normal black leather. The horses look awesome and angry. Both are black in color with red eyes. The chariot only has one wheel that is centered on the back part. Sounds stupid, looks cool. And as usual nasty spikes and blades al
And yes the Cold Ones on the chariot match the current Cold One Knights.

5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne (This model is AMAZING)
The Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne look very cool. If you are a fan of the newer larger models GW has been putting out for WHFB you will really dig it. It is a bit toned down compared to the Empire Celestial Hurricanum/Luminark of Hysh and has blades and hooks on it to make it very sinister and Dark Elf.
The Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne are on a bigger base than the chariot base.
Yes the Cauldron and the Blood throne both have 6 wheels. They are on the same chassis, just with different stuff on the altar. I just noticed that the Witch Elves on Blood Throne have metal masks that cover the front of their face with the exception of their chin and mouth area and of course their eyes.
Ok and now to answer the Medusa question: She has the lower body of a snake and it appears there are other snakes on her base. The right side of her torso is bare, including her breast. In her right hand she is holding a spear. She has armor over her left breast and has a nasty looking clawed gauntlet on her hand. Her mouth is agape and she has snakes for hair. There is also a significant amount of blood on the model.

6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken
About Hydra:It looks bigger and beefier.
Yes the Hydra does have 2 handlers.
-The Kraken has 5 heads/fanged maws. The have spines and scales with smooth neck and belly flesh. Scales are painted a Dark Grey with the softer flesh painted blue. Looks awesome.
The Kraken doesn't have tentacles, it has four legs with webbed appendages ending in claws and it also has a tail.
Yes the Kraken has multiple heads. From the pic it looks like there is one main head with eyes and the other four necks end with fanged maws. Very cool looking. It may sound stupid to people as it is walking but wait until the picture comes out before passing judgement.
You have to clear your head of any preconceived notions of what a Kraken is or looks like. Because lets face it, an 8 legged octopus creature flopping around on land would just not look right. It has 4 limbs that end in webbed feet with claws on them. It also has 5 heads. The main head has beady little eyes right above the mouth. The lower jaw on the main head extends kind of like an octopus tentacle but with teeth on it. The other heads end in an mouth with teeth and 4 claws around the head that look to facilitate grabbing their next meal.

7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box
-The pictures we have of the Witch Elves has them with two hand weapons.
The witches are also sporting thigh high boots and are very dynamic with their poses. I wonder how much of a pain in the butt it will be to get them to rank up.
The Witch Elves look great. No mowhawks or anything like that. Long flowing hair, thigh high black boots and red loincloths and for lack of a better terms bras. They appear to have open mouths so lord only knows what they are saying before they come in and hack my poor High Elves to bits.
There appears to be a command group for the Witch Elves.

Crone Hellebron?
-Apparently one of the pics we have is Crone Hellebron. She is a little more armored up than a normal WE. She has a sword and a small blade (I am thinking Deathsword and Parrying Blade). She definitely has the big hair like in her artwork in the current army book.She looks young like a regular WE. She has a a bit more clothing, but not much. She has a gold mask covering her face that extends upwards in a crown like fashion. Both arms are raised towards the sky.

Also:

ChargeAndDie over at Warseer wrote:Kraken has 4 s7 attacks and if all hit, additional d6 s7 attacks. Scourgerunner has s7 bolt thrower with no armor saves (fluff - they use this to hunt monsters). Signature spell boosts strength by 1 and adds d3 power dice. And someone mentioned army wide ASF.

**Haight**

Some of the above just.... doesn't sound right. Or at least odd.

Black guard with no helmets ? Eh ?

Executioner champ with an axe ? Executioner's "chosen weapon is the draich", why would they have a different weapon ?

Cauldron of blood on a monster or bigger base i can see , but with 6 wheels ?

Medusa : Bare breasted models ? Even the daemonettes released in plastic the last few years dialed back from full breast nudity in models. I might be off on this one, but i'm drawing a blank if there's been a bare breasted model released. Nearly so, sure, but fully ?

Army wide ASF: This seems... off. Why would they give two armies effectively the same USR ? If the justification is "well ya know, they're all elves from the same place", then woodies will it too by that logic when they get rebooted. Just stinks of being lazy to me, and when a rumor sounds lazy i question it. I have a hard time thinking that a rules designer (having been one!) will submit a mailed in idea like "Uh, well, how about army wide always strikes first *whistles innocently hoping no one recalls the entire High Elves army*", and the development manager just glossing over that fact, and accepts it, and no one really raising any concerns or complaints to it until it becomes the armies new USR.

That stretches credulity to me.

... I dunno. Color me skeptical. Most of it sounds neat, but alarm bells are ringing from some of that.

**timetowaste85**

Previous dark elf release in 7th had a bare breasted female Sorc. So there is recent precedence. The daemon book hit before the darkies in 7th, right? Still, unfair that the dark elf women get to show naughty bits and the daemons have to be androgynous.

**Kroothawk**

Haight wrote:Black guard with no helmets ? Eh ?

Erm ... no:

Black Guard look very stalwart with large halberds and high helms

Haight wrote:Executioner champ with an axe ? Executioner's "chosen weapon is the draich", why would they have a different weapon ?

Here the executioner models before the current ones, with axes:

Haight wrote:Cauldron of blood on a monster or bigger base i can see , but with 6 wheels ?

How would you make a mobile (current rules) model on a big monster base? With one axle?

Haight wrote:Medusa : Bare breasted models ? Even the daemonettes released in plastic the last few years dialed back from full breast nudity in models. I might be off on this one, but i'm drawing a blank if there's been a bare breasted model released. Nearly so, sure, but fully ?

Medusa is a big monster. Here the current female monster models of the Dark Elves:

**rtb01**

Those were the old metal black guard - they never released metal executioners until the current version. There was a few pics in the army book of yester-year but they never released executioners. Although they also had axes. Tullaris used to have the Executioner's Axe so it's not unprecedented

**godswildcard**

Noooooo!!! Not pretty Dark Elf models!

It'll be ok so long as they don't release an army box or anything like the space marine strike force....or a new battalion box....or a new army....

Crap. I'm screwed. Might as well go get that loan....

**shabbadoo**

Haight wrote:
Some of the above just.... doesn't sound right. Or at least odd.

Black guard with no helmets ? Eh ?

Read more betterer. They have tall helms with no face coverings.

Haight wrote:
Executioner champ with an axe ? Executioner's "chosen weapon is the draich", why would they have a different weapon ?

Perhaps because it is a *SPECIAL* character? Other than that, it could be a throwback to older renditions of things (the unreleased Executioner models from back in the day had great axes).

Haight wrote:
Cauldron of blood on a monster or bigger base i can see , but with 6 wheels ?

The model seemed too big to be on a chariot base. I think it is a 100mm x 150 mm base, but my eye wasn't really drawn to the base size so don't quote me on that.

Haight wrote:
Medusa : Bare breasted models ? Even the daemonettes released in plastic the last few years dialed back from full breast nudity in models. I might be off on this one, but i'm drawing a blank if there's been a bare breasted model released. Nearly so, sure, but fully ?

Get your fine, nipple painting brush ready.

Haight wrote:
Army wide ASF: This seems... off. Why would they give two armies effectively the same USR ? If the justification is "well ya know, they're all elves from the same place", then woodies will it too by that logic when they get rebooted. Just stinks of being lazy to me, and when a rumor sounds lazy i question it. I have a hard time thinking that a rules designer (having been one!) will submit a mailed in idea like "Uh, well, how about army wide always strikes first *whistles innocently hoping no one recalls the entire High Elves army*", and the development manager just glossing over that fact, and accepts it, and no one really raising any concerns or complaints to it until it becomes the armies new USR.

There hasn't been any really solid corroboration on any rules as of yet (at least in my opinion), so salt the rules rumors to taste. Somebody has no doubt seen the October White Dwarf already though, and some of this (likely incomplete) information may have perhaps been gleaned from there. As to ASF, they might turn it into an "elf thing", but we really don't know that. Maybe the "elf thing" will also see all but one Dark Elf unit reduced down to a standard "elf thing" Strength of 3 too. Many things could happen. We should be hearing something soon, pre-orders only being 13 days away (release date October 5th).

**Mountain-Breaker**

Well I can only hope that the new book will bring a less completely broken Dark Elves. And then maybe, finally, they will get around to doing books that nees a redo: Dwarfs, Beastmen, Wood Elves, Brettons. At least this may even out the Dark Elves.

**RiTides**

I just don't believe we'll see seven plastic kits... too far fetched!

**The Fragile Breath**

RiTides wrote:
I just don't believe we'll see seven plastic kits... too far fetched!

You just need to believe! The lack of pictures thus far is killing me. I haven't bought any GW this year (blew WAY too much money on Kingdom Death KS), but if they truly are redoing the core of Dark Elves, I won't be able to help but buy new models. From a discounter, of course. Ugly core models are what are killing Fantasy, in my opinion, I'm fairly sure a lot of the core models are as old as I am, if not older! I'm holding out hope that pictures will surface within the next few days!

**Mr Morden**

Really looking forwrd to a sexy Medusa model - one of the stretch goals we did not get to with Wargods :(

I don't really play WFB any more but if the models are good -I'll add to the massive pile of kickstarter stuff....The more female models the better

**Dysartes**

Mountain-Breaker wrote:
Well I can only hope that the new book will bring a less completely broken Dark Elves. And then maybe, finally, they will get around to doing books that nees a redo: Dwarfs, Beastmen, Wood Elves, Brettons. At least this may even out the Dark Elves.

I'm quite happy to wait on a Dwarf update until a theoretical 9th edition drops - I shudder at the thought of what they'd do to the rune system in the current design paradigm...

**Aerethan**

Dysartes wrote:
Mountain-Breaker wrote:
Well I can only hope that the new book will bring a less completely broken Dark Elves. And then maybe, finally, they will get around to doing books that nees a redo: Dwarfs, Beastmen, Wood Elves, Brettons. At least this may even out the Dark Elves.

I'm quite happy to wait on a Dwarf update until a theoretical 9th edition drops - I shudder at the thought of what they'd do to the rune system in the current design paradigm...

Something terribly over powered to the point of forcing you to rely on it, then making it rely on a 2d6 roll that can make or break your game plan. Every other army already has this mechanic except perhaps mono Khorne lists.

**Scott_K**

October is only a 2 weeks away. Where are the pics?

**HoverBoy**

Should show up next week around the time 40k radio get their sneak peek at the next WD.

**Kroothawk**

Lion275 over at Warseer wrote:It is indeed the same source that has provided us the Space Marine pictures and codex.
(...)
According to our source DE were one of the worst selling ranges GW had. I assume they didn't touch HE Spearmen because for some reason they still sell...
(...)
In the pictures I have of the Cauldron of Blood it is just the model with nothing pushing it. It is weird that it does have wheels but nothing pulling. Who knows maybe we will see it getting pushed around like the Screaming Bell.

shabbadoo over at Warseer wrote:A bit more detail on the Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne:

The whole contraption is a large lower platform on six wheels with a smaller raised platform towards the rear, which is reached by two staircases that curve from the lower center outward to the left and right front of the upper platform. The upper platform is where the Hag stands/Medusa is coiled. Near the top of each staircase is a witch elf guard, and they stand with their feet on different levels of the stairs in a nice "guarding" action pose. Those that guard the Medusa have spears, which they are pointing down the stairs, as if threatening anything that might come up them. The Medusa's right arm is holding high a spear, point upwards, and her right breast is bare. Also, the Medusa's body is covered in scattered small cuts from which drips blood. The paint job is in the very clean GW style and looks very nice, but I do look forward to somebody doing a bit grittier, more realistic paint job on the Medusa in particular. Seriously, the Medusa is a pretty badarse model, and anybody who doesn't like it should be publicly ostracized. Behind the Medusa is what looks like a large mirror on a pedestal. The mirror frame is gold, and depicts cavorting Witch Elves. The mirror is painted to look like what appears to be a row of moons in a clear blue daytime sky (i.e. the mirror "looks through to another world" type of thing is what they were going for, I guess). Also, Lion mentioned snakes at the base of the Medusa's tail, but it may be that it is the Medusa's tail that actually splits into multiple serpents itself, as the snakes are painted a similar (though slightly lighter) shade of green to the Medusa's lower snake body. The angle of the pic doesn't show which is the case, so we'll most likely have to wait for the pre-order pics to determine that. For the Cauldron of Blood, at the back of the upper platform behind the Hag is the obligatory large statue of Khaine, sword held aloft.

Lion has described the other models well enough, but I think you can figure out which one of the bunch is my favorite. Pics ought to drop soon (probably this weekend), but it won't be me doing it. That's about all I am going to share. If I hadn't already started High Elves when the Isle of Blood starter set came out, I would be doing Dark Elves. It is going to be very difficult to resist staring them.

**silent25**

Daigar over at Warseer claims to have received a pricing list from a reseller for the DE release.

Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box £30
PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks £25
Plastic Blackguard/Executioners £30
Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner £25
Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne £50
Plastic Hydra/Kraken £50
Plastic Witch Elf box £30

Just to compare to my prediction on page 3 of this thread:

silent25 wrote:Prediction for pricing:
1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box $50/40€/£30
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks $40/35€/£25
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners $50/40€/£30
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner $40/35€/£25
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne $85/65€/£50
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken $85/65€/£50
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box $50/40€/£30

Was hoping the warrior box would be cheaper, but it looks like $50/40€/£30 for 10 infantry is the new normal. The $50 for 10 was a worst case estimate base off the price for the Forsaken. Given GW just release new Space Marine Tacticals at $40 made me think the price would be more in that range. That means that should GW normalize their prices again, core infantry boxes will be going up ~65% to 100%. Ugh....

Only other hope is that these prices are actually just echos of my prediction bouncing back to me.

**jojo_monkey_boy**

NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box $50/40€/£30

If this is 10 models,

.

**S'jet**

Its gotta be 20, surely...

**Aerethan**

$50 for 10 core infantry is a joke. I'll be using my old ugly ones if that is the new price.

Current price per model: $2.19 USD, new price more than double that? No. Just no.

**Kanluwen**

I have a very hard time believing $50 for 10.
I can believe $50 for 20 with parts for 10 of each type present in the box though.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Aye I am hoping for more of a Stormvermin price point for the Warriors.

**Red Viper**

Yeah that's pretty bad.

I was going to keep my old ones anyway most likely, but $50 sealed their fate.

Going to keep my old Hydras too, unless the Kraken is much better.

Book, Dark Riders (I hate the old ones), maybe the Cauldron, and probably the cards (which no one has mentioned, but are likely).