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Did vanguard vets lose the ability to charge after deep strike?
I remember seeing it as a rumour, but I haven't seen it confirmed...Unless it was/n't and I just missed it

 PredaKhaine wrote:
Did vanguard vets lose the ability to charge after deep strike?
I remember seeing it as a rumour, but I haven't seen it confirmed...Unless it was/n't and I just missed it

Yes, they lost it.

Are vanguard Fast Attack of Elites? Are they effectively assault marines with an extra attack and more wargear, or do they have any special rules?

 stargasm wrote:
Are vanguard Fast Attack of Elites? Are they effectively assault marines with an extra attack and more wargear, or do they have any special rules?

They are elites, and yes they are effectively assualt marines with better wargear options and another attack. they do have a special rule that allows them to remove the penalty for disordered charging and to auto pass initiative checks for glorious intervention.

 Rysaer wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Rysaer wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
How about Librarians? Do they still have access to Terminator armor? Do they have to roll on random powers chart now?

Yes they can still take TA, they can only access the basic BRB lores, but they cannot take from divination, I believe they can take from the rest (Bio, Telepathy, Telekinesis, Pyro.)

Tigirius can take from all of the BRB lores and can re-roll when selecting his spells. (Mastery lvl 3)

Is Tigirius at the same cost?

I do not currently have the old book with me but I can tell you that Tigirius is worth: Ledyba's Pokedex Number. (I actually can't state points of units etc as it breaks the rules, hopefully you know what I mean)

Thanks. Its fine.
I have read that Centurions don't come with an inv save like Oblits. Is this true?

Okay, we're back to asking the same things over and over that have been known for weeks. I'm out.

What is the armour of the stalker and hunter?

Centurions do not have an Invulnerable and I can't see any way to get them one besides psykers etc. (I'll double check.)

The Stalkers and Hunters are 12/12/10 off the top of my head but I'll double check this also (I shouldn't be online just now, so I'm nipping in and out to check stuff.).

 Rysaer wrote:
Centurions do not have an Invulnerable and I can't see any way to get them one besides psykers etc. (I'll double check.)

The Stalkers and Hunters are 12/12/10 off the top of my head but I'll double check this also (I shouldn't be online just now, so I'm nipping in and out to check stuff.).

So its more than the plain Rhino chassis.

Tigirius seems to be a good bet in a new SM army.

Are Landspeeders the same as in the old 'dex (squadrons, pt costs for weapon upgrades)?

Are the flyers (Stormraven and -talon) part of the 'dex?

Do Raven Guard non-dedicated transport vehicles benefit from the Chapter Trait? Can I haz scouting Vindicators for example?

Tell us about the Honour Guard. Are they really as cheap as rumoured and what options they have? Is there any reason to ever use Command Squads over Honour Guard if you have access to the latter?

 AtoMaki wrote:
Do Raven Guard non-dedicated transport vehicles benefit from the Chapter Trait? Can I haz scouting Vindicators for example?

No, vehicles do not benefit from Chapter Tactics unless otherwise noted.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
Do Raven Guard non-dedicated transport vehicles benefit from the Chapter Trait? Can I haz scouting Vindicators for example?

No, vehicles do not benefit from Chapter Tactics unless otherwise noted.

Oh... That's sad.

Thank you anyway !

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Rysaer wrote:
Centurions do not have an Invulnerable and I can't see any way to get them one besides psykers etc. (I'll double check.)

The Stalkers and Hunters are 12/12/10 off the top of my head but I'll double check this also (I shouldn't be online just now, so I'm nipping in and out to check stuff.).

So its more than the plain Rhino chassis.

Tigirius seems to be a good bet in a new SM army.

Are Landspeeders the same as in the old 'dex (squadrons, pt costs for weapon upgrades)?

Are the flyers (Stormraven and -talon) part of the 'dex?

I've covered those two questions already but I'll give you the short version here, storm raven and talon are both in this book with the same rules as the death from the skies book I believe.

Landspeeders are the same but cost for weapons is different, they are listed in a post on the first page.


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 Crimson wrote:
Tell us about the Honour Guard. Are they really as cheap as rumoured and what options they have? Is there any reason to ever use Command Squads over Honour Guard if you have access to the latter?

Honour guard have a veteran stat line, max squad of 10, minimum of 3, any honour guard may change his power weapon (default) for a relic blade, one may take either a company banner or the standard of the emperor ascendant, champion can relpace his boltgun with a ccw, or replace his power weapon with a thunder hammer. Honour guard can take drop pods, rhinos and razors as dedicated transports.

Squads base cost (2 honour guard and a champion) is the pokedex number for a Dodrio. Each additional Honour guard will cost you the pokedex number for Pikachu (I can't post costs, so this is my system, just google 'Pokedex number 'XX') you'll get what you need

As for Command squads I mostly answered this earlier:

This is taken from the army building section at the back.

One veteran may take a company standard or a standard of the emperor ascendant.
One may be upgraded to a Company Champion (gets a power weapon and a combat shield)
One may be upgraded to an apothecary (gets narthecium)
Entire squad can be equipped with bikes.
Any veteran may take: Meltabombs or Storm Shields
Any veteran may replace his bolt pistol/chainsword for a bolter/bolt pistol
Any veteran may take items from the melee and or ranged weapons lists. (Ranged = storm bolter, combi weapons, grav/plasma pistols or Melee = Power weapons, Lightning Claws, Power Fist, Thunder Hammer)
May take a rhino, drop pod or razor as a dedicated transport.

Have a veteran stat line also but only come with BP/CCW's as standard.

Base squad cost (5 strong (seems to be the min/max number)) is the pokedex number for a Voltorb.

 Ravenous D wrote:
Centurions being S5 and T5 is a bit of a burn to Oblits

Chaos Space Marines and regular Space Marines are not analogous. This is a mistake a lot of people make. What one side has doesn't have a direct counterpart on the other side, and they aren't meant to. It's been that way for a long, long time. That's why Space Marines have Land Raider variants and chubby ugly looking gunships, and Chaos has Maulerfiends, Khornemowers and Hellturkeys.

I mean, we might as well complain that Centurions are a bit of a burn to Wraithguard because they have two wounds. It's basically the same thing. Taking two random units from two random armies.

I'd say the Centurians are more like Marine Broadsides if you wanted to compare. At least the Devastator ones.

Any changes to scouts (other than the dedidacted Landspeeder thing)?

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:


I mean, we might as well complain that Centurions are a bit of a burn to Wraithguard because they have two wounds. It's basically the same thing. Taking two random units from two random armies.

But they kind of are better oblits . same save , 2w , they trade a+5inv for not being forced to switch weapons and different weapons at the same time.
Oblits were one of the few things that was good in the csm and sm are kind of a 1 uping them on those.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Oh damnation, now I have to buy a Sisters of Battle detachment to go with my Templars.

I like how you think, I have a BT army that was made with vanilla marine elements (and played them that way on occasion) so sisters are looking good.
At least my Whirlwinds are official now, hazzah!

DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
Any changes to scouts (other than the dedidacted Landspeeder thing)?

Cheaper points and cheaper cloaks, just like DA.

Makumba wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:


I mean, we might as well complain that Centurions are a bit of a burn to Wraithguard because they have two wounds. It's basically the same thing. Taking two random units from two random armies.

But they kind of are better oblits . same save , 2w , they trade a+5inv for not being forced to switch weapons and different weapons at the same time.
Oblits were one of the few things that was good in the csm and sm are kind of a 1 uping them on those.

Oblits get a power fist as well, which I don't think I've seen that Cents get. They also can deep strike, which is a major bonus, and can also take marks (so can get up to T6 and avoid ID. Also, whilst it's a matter of opinion, I actually prefer the flexibility of the changing weapons that Oblits have than the fixed loadout of Cents.

Without having seen the Cents in play yet, I'd still say that Oblits are superior for the ability to deep strike alone.

May I ask has there been a point discount for the basic three man bike squad

Cheers

(so can get up to T6 and avoid ID. Also, whilst it's a matter of opinion, I actually prefer the flexibility of the changing weapons that Oblits have than the fixed loadout of Cents.

oblits are t4 . they can get t5 if they take the mark of nurgle . Also what kind of a flexability is it when you need long range support and a cent shots his las and grav gun every turn while your oblit bounces of av14+ every other turn . They were good when they could chose what ever a weapon they wanted to use . Being forced to switch weapons at best slows the game down , when you re math on different weapons .

deep strike is also a bad option , they are no drop pods so can drop outside of melta range , for all other weapons it is better to be on the table from turn 1 and get more shots.

Am not going to comment on the power fists . Runing oblits as a melee unit makes no sense and the only units that will charge them are either tar pits , which don't care about fists or strong melee units which will kill them before they get to strike.

And let us not forget that centurions have two more thing better then oblits .chapter tactics and ATKNF . oblits are one of the few types of demons in the game that are not fearless.

 Citizen Luka wrote:
May I ask has there been a point discount for the basic three man bike squad

Cheers

Bikes are 21pts each. Like most squads in the Codex now, the Veteran Sergeant is an optional upgrade, so the basic Sergeant is free and is Ld8. So in other words, 63pts for 3 Bikes starting out.

2 questions:

How many howling griffon models are in the showcase section?

What's the range of grav cannons and what do grav amps do [other than have cool names]

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Citizen Luka wrote:
May I ask has there been a point discount for the basic three man bike squad

Cheers

Bikes are 21pts each. Like most squads in the Codex now, the Veteran Sergeant is an optional upgrade, so the basic Sergeant is free and is Ld8. So in other words, 63pts for 3 Bikes starting out.

Wonderful, thank you! May I also ask how much is the vet sergeant and what does he provide? - + 1 ld?

 sing your life wrote:
2 questions:

How many howling griffon models are in the showcase section?

What's the range of grav cannons and what do grav amps do [other than have cool names]

I could only find one howling griffon in the showcase (it's an apothecary model) and grav cannons are 24" range and the grav amp allows you to re-roll the to wound roll (or the dice for effect on vehicles).

Can Centurions take flak missiles? (Not that there would be much point as their other weapons probably can't get skyfire, right?)

Do Veteran Squads come with free Veteran Sergeant?

Is there anything stopping from arming Sergeant/ Command Squad members with two pistols (apart it being silly expensive)?

How exactly does Hunter's homing missile work?

So am I understanding Grav weapons correctly; sixes against vehicles take hull point AND immobilise, right? Does that mean that any additional sixes effectively take TWO hull points, as the vehicle is already immobilised?

 Crimson wrote:
Can Centurions take flak missiles? (Not that there would be much point as their other weapons probably can't get skyfire, right?)

Do Veteran Squads come with free Veteran Sergeant?

Is there anything stopping from arming Sergeant/ Command Squad members with two pistols (apart it being silly expensive)?

How exactly does Hunter's homing missile work?

So am I understanding Grav weapons correctly; sixes against vehicles take hull point AND immobilise, right? Does that mean that any additional sixes effectively take TWO hull points, as the vehicle is already immobilised?

1: No they cannot take flakk missiles. Only Frag and Krak.
2: Yes you always get a sergeant in every unit included in its base cost, as far as I can tell, Veterans definetly.
3: No, although yes it would be expensive.
4: If it misses a shot against a flyer or FMC you place a 'Savant Token' on the unit it tried to fire at, at the beginning of each subsequent shooting phase you roll a D6 for each token, on a 5+ the counter is removed and the target unit suffers a hit (on its rear armour) using the same profile as the standard weapon. If the target leaves combat airspace or is locked in close combat then you must discard any tokens on the unit, they cannot be removed by any other means.
5: Yes they would remove one hull point and immobilise on a roll of a 6, as far as I can tell if you were to roll a second six you would take another hull point of damage, but then becuase you are already immobilised you would then yes take another hull point of damage. (Until it is FAQ'd at least.)

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Citizen Luka wrote:
May I ask has there been a point discount for the basic three man bike squad

Cheers

Bikes are 21pts each. Like most squads in the Codex now, the Veteran Sergeant is an optional upgrade, so the basic Sergeant is free and is Ld8. So in other words, 63pts for 3 Bikes starting out.

Wow. Ravenwing just got nerfed hard by white scars. Granted they don't have black knights but their bikes are dirt cheap with the upgrades Kahn gives, awesome.