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I'll wait until I've seen it to make declarative statements about its contents. I'm not concerned that it isn't going the same route as Verhoeven's, which would be a fools errand; my worry would be that it doesn't tackle any themes at all. If you watch the original trailer for Robocop it just seems like a violent action movie as well, so I'll not jump to hard up and down on it just yet. Having him meet his family again at some point allows for some interesting interaction and ideas to be explored, but I won't hold my breath, but neither will I go full on cynical either. To many of the complaints seem to be "this doesn't look exactly like the original", but to me that is a plus. I own the original, if I want to watch it I can. I always like to see fresh takes on old material, something we have been doing for longer than there has been cinema.
We don't know if retains everything at the start, or if it comes later, as it did in the original. Trailers have a way of mashing things together, and the film is still a ways off.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
A hard R rating, which doesn't appear to be the case. Not sure why studios have lost their balls when it comes to are rated action movies.
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Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
so it'll be like the original Robocop without any of the excellent character actors, social parody, and comedic tones to offset the commercial violence. so this Robocop will have no soul.
i'm also disappointed that they kept most of his limbs/etc. the original Robocop was excellent in that the only thing left that was human was his face and "parts of his digestive tract, most of his brain, several organs"; already dehumanizing his character and making his statement of "Murphy had a wife and son. What happened to them?" so meaningful, and of course, the very last line of the movie, when he identifies himself as "Murphy". of course, the entire length of the film, Robo goes from very stiff robotic actions to more human-like movements after his helmet is removed. from the remake's trailer, they seem to be abandoning the cold detachment that made Murphy's human->cyborg->human transformation and character progression so powerful.
one of my friends said, "Yeah, I'm pretty annoyed that they seem to have decided to have him retain all of his memories from the start. Also, carbombing is a pretty weak way for him to go out, compared to how he died in the original movie."
i agree - where's the personal connection to his executioners? because of him watching these creeps blowing him apart, is what allows him to make the connection when Emil recognizes him at the gas station, which causes him to go look up Emil's accomplices, find Clarence Boddicker, and Alex Murphy's DECEASED personnel file.
all in all, it looks like a very milquetoast PG-13 family friendly cash-grab remake.
The funny thing is that the original was accurate in its prediction that Detroit would end up going down the drain.
I doubt if this remake has the original's attack on Reganomics. Here's hoping.
This sounds like the kind of film I'll watch when I'm drunk/heavily sedated on a Saturday Night/Early hours of Sunday morning moment.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Let's get this straight. Dredd was not a reboot. That would imply Sly's film ever stood for the franchise in the first place.
Just for you, one of my all time funniest movie scenes
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Ouze wrote: I was poised to crap my pants in nerdrage at this, but then I saw Samuel L Jackson and all was forgiven.
I am now cautiously optimistic; though I am also confident they are totally going to miss all the satire elements that made the original a classic, at least in my book. I just hope they don't go for the PG-13.
+1 to this.
With the cast they have for this,i hope they have not got it wrong.
Manchu wrote: Ahtman, the problem isn't that it doesn't look exactly like the original. The problem is that it looks boring.
I get that, and I wasn't saying every single complaint was based around it not being a replica of the original, but a lot of them sure seem to be just that.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
The trailer is poorly structured but I have a lot of confidence in the cast and the director. The cast is pretty much amazing, the guy playing robocop was awesome in amc's the killing and the director's previous films have all been great.
Why on earth would they put a man who is apparently only merely (not making light of real life spinal injuries btw) Paralysed into a militarized robotic suit? Judging from the trailer he is simply in a coma and not, like In the original, just a bag of vaguely living cells with just enough brain left to 'Think' for the suit. Also the fact the trailer emphasizes being wheelchair bound as being the worst thing imaginable (Again not making light of that kind of thing in real life) leaves a sour taste.
The trailer also looked cheap for some reason, despite excellent special effects and nice cinematography.
Another nice thing about The original is that Robocop never directly interacts with his family and until his partner finds out never has his identity exposed. I'm not counting 2 and 3 here (i kinda don't count them in general) which IIRC do indeed have robocop Interacting with his family. Imo this stops the more central themes and messages of the movie being diluted.
You can hint at these themes in an Action Film, which is done in the original when RC basically spies on the family, like some kind of weird instinctive behavior but having them as a central premise is foolish in my opinion. Save that for a full-on 'Thinking' movie, i think it will muddy the waters and end up being rushed and clumsy.
Him getting blown up like a punk is a total (robo)cop-out (oh dear). To be honest i see that as a big FU, more than the black suit, whose choice imo supplies the best scene of the trailer. The voyeuristic brutality of Murphie's murder is pretty much the most important scene in the original.
Minor Sci-fi touches i really liked were the cool voice and the bare hand. The bare hand is pretty smart and i pretty quickly worked out why they did it and how it could provide some interesting scenes.
I always think that Robocop calling himself Murphy in a more humanised voice at the end of the Original is more about him regaining his Pride and Dignity, human qualities. He's not going straight home to play ball with a confused and traumatised son and bang his wife, he's going back to the station.
Oh forgot to say, the fact the trailer shows him fighting cgi droids (and not the enforcement kind ) is a bad sign.
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Forar wrote: Okay, I haven't even started watching, but when you tag a video as "High Quality", I shouldn't be stuck with 360p or whatever. I mean, I'm not even a resolution snob, but that's kind of surprising itself.
Good point. There is a 720p trailer as well.
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I think it depends on how they do this whole thing. Getting blown up in a car-bombing might be a cop-out for a hero, unless it ends up being that OCP wanted a good candidate for a guy in a suit (maybe the droids don't work right), and then went and found a great cop and wounded him badly enough with planted explosives that they could "save" him by putting him in the suit. This is OCP after all, and that's a cliche' way for an evil corporation to work.
It's already said in the movie that they attempt to have him programmed to do whatever they want, and it eventually get's overridden by his willpower.
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Piss on this, then. At least we got a real Dredd movie after the Rob Schneider abomination. So maybe this is karma...a generic Robocop turdburger. At least SLJ's wig is fantastic.
Saw the trailer at my Riddick screening. Didn't instantly dislike it either. At the very least it looks like it'll make a decent popcorn flick even if it fails to capture the essence of the original.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: This looks less satire (like the original) and more happy feeling morality tale like i-Robot
Yeah, the it looks like they've made Murphy's recovery of his humanity the main plot (complete with the wife making at least one speach pleading to her husband) instead of it being a background character arc, while the corporate shenanigans are just played for a couple of jokes. I mean, I could be wrong, and maybe Michael Keaton's home gets invaded while he's having cocaine with some hookers, but I doubt it.
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Hulksmash wrote: Don't forget Keaton! Seriously, the line up on this film alone should mean it's not crap. When was the last time you guys saw Oldman in a bad film? Just curious
Paranoia is in theatres right now, and that film sucks ass.
Oldman, Samuel L Jackson, is pretty well known for being happy to slum it - just take work in crappy films, either because they want the money or they just enjoy working. Point is, while they're great actors you can't take their presence in a film as a sign that it'll be a movie of any quality.
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judgedoug wrote: one of my friends said, "Yeah, I'm pretty annoyed that they seem to have decided to have him retain all of his memories from the start. Also, carbombing is a pretty weak way for him to go out, compared to how he died in the original movie."
Not just how his personal connection helped move the plot forward, but also that he was betrayed by his supposed brothers, who let him fact the bad guys without backup (other than his partner). And then when he was shot to pieces, it was in a crucifiction pose. Which of course led to him being reborn, and the walking on water and everything else.
I'm not saying this new film has to have a Jesus theme to it as well, but it needs to have something to make it interesting. That trailer might be misleading (plenty are), but it looks like a pretty straight forward man turned in to machine, human spirit comes through in the end boiler plate nonsense to me.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote: I'm not saying this new film has to have a Jesus theme to it as well, but it needs to have something to make it interesting.
Don't forget the Frankenstein connection as well. The original is portrayed more as a monster (initially), but this one doesn't seem to be playing that angle either.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: Don't forget the Frankenstein connection as well. The original is portrayed more as a monster (initially), but this one doesn't seem to be playing that angle either.
True. And I don't want to be too harsh on this film just from the preview - the quality of the original couldn't be gleaned from a trailer either. And that was kind of the point of the original, it looked like a big budget version of all those video nasty 'crime is out of control and here's someone/thing to slaughter all those nasty criminals', and it was only on watching the film that you see how they satirised all that stuff and so much more.
Maybe this film might manage the same, and the trailer is part of that. Probably not though. But even if they don't, well I guess it doesn't have to be the same as the original to be a good movie. It could be a straight telling of the Robocop thing, and be well executed enough to be enjoyable (in the way that the Dirty Harry sequels lost the political commentary of the first movie, but some were still pretty good).
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.
If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in.
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A lot may depend on how well they explore the programmed aspect to his actions. As mentioned in the trailer, when he enters action, the programming takes over, only giving him the illusion that he doing the things himself.
By the way, for reference, here's the trailer for the original Robocop:
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
I would complain. However there's no way I'm seeing this unless Oscar buzz starts up. It doesn't look good, and to overcome a classic it has to look good and/or having something unique and fresh.
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I don't like the new Robocop's face. It looks too clean and normal. He doesn't look like a cyborg, just some guy in powered armor. Which looks a bit like plastic.
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