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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/07 22:51:55
Subject: This game is bloody great..
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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..because, I've spent a few hours making up a new 1500pt list (late war Germans, from the Fortress Europe book), basically just making it up as a kind of 'if you could get any army, what would you get' style army with no regards to price and consisting of the following...
- PSC german infantry, with some peter pig metals thrown in for CO's, panzerschreck, just for variety etc.
- Mixed load of infantry from Peter Pig, Pak36's, Paratroopers, HMGs, Mortars from Old Glory
- Battlefront RSO's (the cute little wagon things), Peter Pig Tiger Tank and Old Glory JagdPanzer IV boxset
- looted T70, just for fun!
- The 'endulgence' in the form of the Battlefront Armoured rocket battery.
- objectives: 1/144 scale Messerschmidt Me262 (the jet one) Trumpeter plastic kit with some Peter pig Luftwaffe pilots which will make a nice little objective, some wrecked Kublewagons (think there should be a rule forbidding any German list that doesn't contain these in some form  )
- Bunch of paints for these, basing materials etc.
.. and for all of this, comes to just over £100! Amazing you can get such a bespoke (and characterful) army for such an amount of money.
Have absolutely no idea whether it will be a disaster on the tabletop however
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/08 06:01:01
Subject: This game is bloody great..
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The game really is something else entirely. I love Flames of War and is probably my most favriote table top game to play at the moment. The amount of time that company puts into their models and the amount of different lists your units can be used it really makes sure that you don't need to spend an arm and a leg getting started.
The only thing I do not like about the game is how firing arcs work. Having to pass the front of the tank you are shooting at just to shoot at it's side is aggravating, instead of adopting the 45 degree angle notion.
Other than that, this game is simply to die for, love it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/08 08:49:35
Subject: This game is bloody great..
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Oberstleutnant
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I made a 1750 point Leicht Panzer Kompanie for about £70 and that has about 25 tanks (4 of which are metal), 3 Stukas and a full Pioneer platoon.
Zvezda and PSC allow you to make some very cheap armies. If you use Battlefront exclusively though the final cost will rise sharply.
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/08 11:13:22
Subject: Re:This game is bloody great..
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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Yes the Battlefront stuff is some of the more expensive - about 25% of my force cost above was the Armoured Rocket battery. Don't think any other manufacturer has done those though, and the minis look lovely.
Otherwise, I always try and go for metal tanks where possible - much prefer the feeling of moving them about on the tabletop (is that sad of me?  ), although those new PSC plastic infantry are a godsend.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/08 13:43:39
Subject: This game is bloody great..
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If you fill your plastic vehicles with filler they have much more 'heft'. I'm not a fan of PSC's plastic infantry, you can pick up FiB metal infantry for not much more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/08 14:18:46
Subject: This game is bloody great..
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Been Around the Block
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George Spiggott wrote:If you fill your plastic vehicles with filler they have much more 'heft'. I'm not a fan of PSC's plastic infantry, you can pick up FiB metal infantry for not much more.
I've been really happy with the PSC Russian infantry. I wanted to base with the plastic rubble bases for a more urban look and I think they've worked out pretty good . The only issue I have is little bits break off very easily(end of PPSH-41s)..you have to be careful how you pick them up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/08 14:42:45
Subject: This game is bloody great..
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Fixture of Dakka
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They look great. The gun breakage got too much for me, along with plastic's lack of heft. When it comes to infantry I prefer metal. We're on exactly the same page when it comes to mixing manufactures though, I regularly use Pig, Skytrex, QRF, FiB and PSC miniatures alongside Battlefront.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/08 15:34:44
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BF and PETER pIG ARE MY favorite infantry models.As for another thing i like to do is buy a PSc armor set for my vanilla stuff and put in a nice BF sculpt for my command.
Another thing i do for weight is put washers and coind in or on the undercarriages of my vehicles,Also i like to base them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/09 11:18:29
Subject: This game is bloody great..
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Lieutenant Colonel
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PSC are great for 18months....Then the economy of Metal over plastic takes over if you are in for the long term.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/09 12:23:54
Subject: This game is bloody great..
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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I'm an addict. I have so much from so many manufacturers I'm glad my wife just sees it all as "crap."
Anyway, I enjoy FoW because it's helped me expand my collection further than I had ever thought possible. I don't game as much as I collect nowadays. Collecting and painting with the expectation of gaming.
Since the new '67 Middle East War "Fate of Nations" will be released soon I've been buying and painting Old Glory Command Decision T-55s and such for a UAR force. It's sooo nice to 1) get them quickly 2) they're very well made 3) quick to assemble.
I prefer different material and sculpts depending on the model so most of my companies are a mix of manufacturers.
For PSC and Zvezda plastics I've found filling the hull with "bbs" and gluing them down with PVC glue helps to give them a nice "heft".
Peter Pig seems to be the most durable miniatures for my use. I also really, really like the Peter Pig "Tiger I" tank. It's a bit wider than other manufacturers and I think it looks better if not entirely accurate. It just makes me smile and that's what's important.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/09 12:30:37
Subject: Re:This game is bloody great..
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Been Around the Block
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SS heavy.pz.comp
2 boxes tigers and some more fluff..Around 65£
Panters in kursk 2 boxes panthers. around 30£
Then again FOW aint always cheap...My french foreign legion so far have cost me more then 250£
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/09 13:18:07
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What kills me is the Artillery prices.If i did not out source my artillery for my Bulge Glider Infantry the BF prices would have been insane.Here is what i use for are big games,12 105 lite,4 pack howitzers,3 priest and 4 155 guns.All that is over 200$ if bought from BF,
FIB i think makes the rocket traxs now.I will not buy FIB transports anymore as they seem to overscaled against my BF stuff. but maybe i should give them another try on some different sculpts,But i do like their infantry.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/10 11:08:24
Subject: This game is bloody great..
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Avrik_Shasla wrote:
The only thing I do not like about the game is how firing arcs work. Having to pass the front of the tank you are shooting at just to shoot at it's side is aggravating, instead of adopting the 45 degree angle notion.
Well I kind of like it. It is simple to see whether you are shooting at flanks or not. This is a 15mm company level game with many abstractions concerning time and discances, and something like that will only make it longer to play while gaining very little. Your suggestions works better for games where you have 1-3 vechicles than in a game where you can potentially field 30-40.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/10 17:23:04
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Big Fat Gospel of Menoth
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Avrik_Shasla wrote:The game really is something else entirely. I love Flames of War and is probably my most favriote table top game to play at the moment. The amount of time that company puts into their models and the amount of different lists your units can be used it really makes sure that you don't need to spend an arm and a leg getting started.
The only thing I do not like about the game is how firing arcs work. Having to pass the front of the tank you are shooting at just to shoot at it's side is aggravating, instead of adopting the 45 degree angle notion.
Other than that, this game is simply to die for, love it!
Well, actually, a 45 degree angle is wrong from a physics perspective. That would be potentially one of the hardest angles to kill a tank at as there would be no flat surfaces to hit causing a large loss of kinetic energy. Sloped armor is highly effective, sloping it again or simulating it being sloped is just going to make it stronger. The 180 is actually not a bad compromise when given that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/10 19:50:24
Subject: This game is bloody great..
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Been Around the Block
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Surtur wrote:
Well, actually, a 45 degree angle is wrong from a physics perspective. That would be potentially one of the hardest angles to kill a tank at as there would be no flat surfaces to hit causing a large loss of kinetic energy. Sloped armor is highly effective, sloping it again or simulating it being sloped is just going to make it stronger. The 180 is actually not a bad compromise when given that.
umm I don't think that makes any sense
if they adopted the front angle of 45degrees it would leave you with a 90degree total front arc...any more then 45 degrees along the front would then switch to 45 degree angle to hit the side.
with the 180 front arc your glancing a shot up to 89degrees across the front and its still counting as a front shot basically..its significantly worse what you consider physics and loss of kinetic energy Automatically Appended Next Post: came across a house rule mod for flames of war about using the 90degree cone..might have to try it out.
http://kagefow.blogspot.ca/2010/11/turret-and-front-armor-house-rules-part.html
picture illustrates the point well tho
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/10 20:23:12
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I started playing and collecting for this game last November. I've enjoyed it so much that my painting output has multiplied something silly when compared to my other projects.
Never before was I able to claim I have a fully painted collection for a force, but now I do and more.
Of course there are a few rules that I find silly, but like it's been said above, at this scale it's more about abstraction than realism.
Looking forward to the new books for Late War and the allies march into Germany!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/12 07:02:21
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Big Fat Gospel of Menoth
The other side of the internet
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bloodydrake wrote: Surtur wrote:
Well, actually, a 45 degree angle is wrong from a physics perspective. That would be potentially one of the hardest angles to kill a tank at as there would be no flat surfaces to hit causing a large loss of kinetic energy. Sloped armor is highly effective, sloping it again or simulating it being sloped is just going to make it stronger. The 180 is actually not a bad compromise when given that.
umm I don't think that makes any sense
if they adopted the front angle of 45degrees it would leave you with a 90degree total front arc...any more then 45 degrees along the front would then switch to 45 degree angle to hit the side.
with the 180 front arc your glancing a shot up to 89degrees across the front and its still counting as a front shot basically..its significantly worse what you consider physics and loss of kinetic energy
Automatically Appended Next Post:
came across a house rule mod for flames of war about using the 90degree cone..might have to try it out.
http://kagefow.blogspot.ca/2010/11/turret-and-front-armor-house-rules-part.html
picture illustrates the point well tho
Given how abstract the game is and the scale, that sort of thing is a nightmare. Someone comes along and slaps down hordes of t-34s under this house rule will greatly increase the time it takes to deal with them shooting or being shot. Furthermore, it contradicts several core rules without adjusting value of the models affected. Lastly, if you're going back to front vs side armor, calculating it from the turret only serves to draw it further from realism. I never said that 180 front arc was perfect, but 90 degrees is very lenient towards the attacker while 180 is lenient towards the defender. 180 adds to the feel of your men reacting somewhat to their enemy rather than sitting like ducks while your enemy puts a tungsten piercing in you. Coming originally from 40k, side armor in that game is way too easy to achieve and it's very similar to what your link proposes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/12 09:11:09
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I found the game kind of boring. Solid rules, very solid, but I never had a game without a yawn.
A lot of the blame for this comes from Infantry companies. Man are they dull to play with or against.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/12 09:55:12
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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Yes... WW2 would have been over much quicker without infantry.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/12 13:47:23
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Big P wrote:Yes... WW2 would have been over much quicker without infantry.
A good thing most of the war was primarily tank battles (which is why FoW is so historically accurate). Could you imagine if infantry had to fight infantry in real life? That would've taken forever!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/12 15:24:43
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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Yup... just look what happened in WW1!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 12:20:39
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And yet conversely today there is a shift away from Heavy Armour.
To be fair some of the video's I've seen on Youtube from Syria are disturbing. I'm not sure why and I cannot put my finger on it, but for some reason watching the War unfold in HD captured by GO PRO camera's makes me uncomfortable in a way low definition camera footage doesn't? Especially watching Tanks cooking off or crewmen bailing out in HD when the FSA kills them....
Maybe it's the clarity and colour and vividness reminds of things I've been in before I left the Armed Forces in 2012, but it feels wrong somehow - I know it's a double standard but I cannot reconcile it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 15:52:27
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Oberstleutnant
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I don't play moderns for that very reason. I know people who have been killed over recent years (1 in Iraq and 1 in Afghan) and more who have been blown up, shot or otherwise had a bad day. On the other hand I enjoy playing WWII games and I lost 2 great uncles in that war.
Its hard to explain really but I suppose its simply down to personal experience.
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 16:05:57
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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Well it personal choice really.
I see games as games, nothing more.
I know plenty of people who wont play this war or that war. Its really a purely personal thing.
All wars by nature result in death. I think its how close you are to the events that colours your perception.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 21:38:17
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Lieutenant Colonel
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Don't get me wrong I see games the same way...I was actually talking about the Youtube footage but I take your points on Modern Games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 23:23:49
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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There was also HG Well's thought that perhaps playing wargames would make men less inclined to carry out the real thing and inflict violence on one another.. although sadly it doesn't seem to have made us any less inclined.
Doesn't help that you can probably buy a gun and bullets for less than a standard box of Warhammer minis these days of course..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/03 17:49:01
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I think this game is cool because I can watch the You Tube videos and pick up how the game is played.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/05 01:18:02
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DeadestDai wrote:I started playing and collecting for this game last November. I've enjoyed it so much that my painting output has multiplied something silly when compared to my other projects.
Never before was I able to claim I have a fully painted collection for a force, but now I do and more.
Of course there are a few rules that I find silly, but like it's been said above, at this scale it's more about abstraction than realism.
Looking forward to the new books for Late War and the allies march into Germany!
I had this happen too.
I have no idea what it is about 15mm but I get so much more excited to paint it than 28mm
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/06 14:23:40
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I agree, the 15mm bug hit me.... I was never going to own 10 x GW Rhinos = (£210) but for that money I can own Battalions of 15mm Armour! LOVE 15mm - It is my scale of choice - big enough for detail and moving parts, but small enough that you get a great sense of scale.
A wet dream for me, would be to see EPIC 40k in 15mm, much better than 6mm. Imagine the detail level of Space Marines, whole companies of Leman Russ in 15mm, Ork hordes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/08 18:02:49
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Pacific wrote:.. and for all of this, comes to just over £100! Amazing you can get such a bespoke (and characterful) army for such an amount of money.
I've purchased the entirety of my Irish guards armoured company for around the $100 mark. Going to do a similar welsh guards armoured recce company, but that will cost a little more since I have to buy extra challangers from Battlefront direct and that ups the price a little bit. Much easier to get friends hooked on Flames of War when they can get fully into the game with rules, campaign book and full army for under $300. That kind of money will get you barely part of an army for a game like Warhammer 40k. They just laugh at me when I try to convince them to play 40k. Hahahaha...
Skriker Automatically Appended Next Post: Pacific wrote:Doesn't help that you can probably buy a gun and bullets for less than a standard box of Warhammer minis these days of course..
Not quite, though definitely starting to get close.
Skriker Automatically Appended Next Post: mwnciboo wrote:A wet dream for me, would be to see EPIC 40k in 15mm, much better than 6mm. Imagine the detail level of Space Marines, whole companies of Leman Russ in 15mm, Ork hordes.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no! My wallet could not survive that!
I also have done a ton of painting for flames of war. At the very least ALL of my flames of war stands and minis are currently at least base coat sprayed. Can't say that for my 40k minis.  When you can paint an entire vehicle in less time than a single soldier in a unit for 40k it makes things fly by.
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CSM 6k points CSM 4k points
CSM 4.5k points CSM 3.5k points
 and Daemons 4k points each
Renegades 4k points
SM 4k points
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