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Best_Pone over at Warseer wrote:An interesting tidbit I overheard being discussed recently is that Sisters of Battle are getting a digital codex release soon. Unfortunately, I'm still in the dark as to if there will be a physical codex release, or whether this is new material or just a repackaging of the current list.

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brassangel wrote:A digital release of the White Dwarf list, no doubt. Several writers I've met this year said the real codex is currently under way.

Yeay, we will finally have a chance to have the codex with only to be invalid in a years time with the pace of release we have now!

Although it is still a good thing to actually release the codex, the amount of time it will stay valid is a question that i would to get answers.

Second post.

We never even got off the ground before someone complained.

Happy Saturday night, guys!

A digital release of the WD codex would still be better than nothing.....at least for Ipad owners.

But snarkiness aside, still better than absolutely nothing, which is what the WD release gave us SoB players, unless we want an illegal download.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
A digital release of the WD codex would still be better than nothing.....at least for Ipad owners.

But snarkiness aside, still better than absolutely nothing, which is what the WD release gave us SoB players, unless we want an illegal download.

The Space Marine Codex was released for more platforms than just the iPad:

Black Library wrote:eBook availabe in Mobi and ePub Format. Compatible with Android, Kindle and iBooks devices.

The fancy interactive version is still iBooks only, but that is most likely because Apple makes it easy to make interactive iBooks. "The Rules", Eldar, Black Legion and others are all also available on Android and Kindle devices. So I don't think there is any indication that a Digital WD Codex release would be iBooks only.

I would be happy if GW decide to make a Codex or Armybook that is not as popular and release them as eBook only instead of not releasing it all due to prohibitive print costs.

Sorry for posting my opinions on the matter, will not happen again after this post.


But from wherever you hold this matter a point of complain can be found.

The actual release of the codex; a great move for sisters players which had to use illegal ways to use their armies which gw sold them as a playable force in their game. But later made the rules not available.

The release pace of the codex this year, we are having a codex per month and i am loving it but if this speed is kept up it means that this digital release of the sisters codex will be invalidated in a shorter then average amount of time for other digital releases. Which will be different from regular codex since it doesn't have any fluff in it . But if gw adds fluff pieces to this release it would invalidate all this point.

And again sorry for any inconvenience.

w00t! Scouring dakka everyday in the news section to hear this!

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Sorry for posting my opinions on the matter, will not happen again after this post.


But from wherever you hold this matter a point of complain can be found.

The actual release of the codex; a great move for sisters players which had to use illegal ways to use their armies which gw sold them as a playable force in their game. But later made the rules not available.

The release pace of the codex this year, we are having a codex per month and i am loving it but if this speed is kept up it means that this digital release of the sisters codex will be invalidated in a shorter then average amount of time for other digital releases. Which will be different from regular codex since it doesn't have any fluff in it . But if gw adds fluff pieces to this release it would invalidate all this point.

And again sorry for any inconvenience.

Dude, chilax. You're more than entitled to your opinion, but this could have been couched in a more constructive manner. I don't particularly fancy GW either, but I give them props when they give up their 3 years hiatus in providing SoB goodness.

Only what, two years late? Better late than never, I suppose.

Disbelieve.

GW painted itself into a corner on SoB models, they don't want to keep them in metal, don't want to do them in Finecast, and don't have new ones ready to go.

So why support something when they have few/no models to sell right now?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Disbelieve.

GW painted itself into a corner on SoB models, they don't want to keep them in metal, don't want to do them in Finecast, and don't have new ones ready to go.

So why support something when they have few/no models to sell right now?

If they have sculpts ready to go in plastic but are hesitant on using them in case the line doesn't sell, then this is a great idea. Put out e current rules in a very cheap way for them. See how it sells, gives them a good idea on the current player base for sisters.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Disbelieve.

GW painted itself into a corner on SoB models, they don't want to keep them in metal, don't want to do them in Finecast, and don't have new ones ready to go.

So why support something when they have few/no models to sell right now?

I say turn it over to Forgeworld. Let them make great models and do the sisters justice. If the alternative is standing around waiting for an answer to show up and ultimately doing nothing, i think forgeworld would be a better choice.

I remember the rumor was thar SoB were to be folded into a Big "Codex: Inquisitors" that would include both them as well as GK and Deathwatch...

This continues to point to the rumor from away back when that said that GW was going to try to get all the armies updated with 6th ed.

It also fits with an observation I've had, in that most of the Codex releases we've seen, are ones that have needed rules updates more then new models.

Now we're starting to see some of the armies that have actually needed new models, ( Nids finally getting models for Harpies and mysceptic spore, Orks getting an update) and with Black Templar being rolled into the Space Marines, it is pointing to a good bet we'll see a Sisters of Battle Released, probably sometime next year.

There are many players, (Myself included) that would love to build Sisters, but are waiting for plastic models so they aren't as expensive.

whitetornado wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Disbelieve.

GW painted itself into a corner on SoB models, they don't want to keep them in metal, don't want to do them in Finecast, and don't have new ones ready to go.

So why support something when they have few/no models to sell right now?

I say turn it over to Forgeworld. Let them make great models and do the sisters justice. If the alternative is standing around waiting for an answer to show up and ultimately doing nothing, i think forgeworld would be a better choice.

This would imply Forge World working on something other than the Horus Heresy cash cow...

Eldercaveman wrote:
If they have sculpts ready to go in plastic but are hesitant on using them in case the line doesn't sell, then this is a great idea. Put out e current rules in a very cheap way for them. See how it sells, gives them a good idea on the current player base for sisters.

No, it gives a completely inaccurate idea of the current player base for Sisters. It tells them how poorly Sisters will sell if GW doesn't give them some token plastic support. And it's not like any other army has to jump through hoops to prove itself this way; the Space Marines didn't need to prove that people wanted to buy plastic Centurions, let alone plastic Tactical Squads.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Disbelieve.

GW painted itself into a corner on SoB models, they don't want to keep them in metal, don't want to do them in Finecast, and don't have new ones ready to go.

So why support something when they have few/no models to sell right now?

If they have sculpts ready to go in plastic but are hesitant on using them in case the line doesn't sell, then this is a great idea. Put out e current rules in a very cheap way for them. See how it sells, gives them a good idea on the current player base for sisters.

From what little I've heard about the plastic kit production process, it's extremely costly up-front. Once you make the molds, you're golden for a while, and can churn out mountains of sprues pretty cheaply. If this is true, then it makes sense to allocate your plastic kit resources to things you know will sell. The idea that GW would create the sculpts and moulds for plastic Sisters, and then sit on them, unreleased, is ludicrous in this context.

Maybe they might release the codex via a low-cost electronic format, and hype it a bit in White Dwarf/the web, and see how much interest it drums up. If the response is very strong, maybe that might convince them that it would be worth the substantial investment in sculpting and producing moulds for what has become (to a large extent by GW's own actions) a niche army.

All that said, I'd love to see a proper Sisters relaunch. I got into them when they were first released back in 2nd Ed. days, and would love to see what they could do with the line (hopefully a nice Dark Eldar total revamp with awesome sculpts, rather than a Chaos Space Marines swing and a miss...)

-C6

This sounds like a GW move. Rather than spend big on new sisters models (which are probably the least played army in the game albeit a chicken vs egg discussion) they go with the cost effective option of a E-Dex which can later be made print if its selling well (like with the supplements). I think this is a good call as a half-assed remake of sisters (like witch hunters) would be more disappointment than anything else. Meanwhile they could use a new coat of paint so that would be great. My buddy is starting a sisters army so that will be nice.

A digital release of the current WD dex really desn't help, I play SoB and probably wouldn't buy as I have WD Issues. If it had more fluff but the same rules I'd consider buying it but it depends entirely on price and format (I don't have an Ipad or Kindle fire but do have a normal kindle).

There'd been a previous mention in a release schedule thread that nov 2014 was either going to be BA or SoB, if that ties into the 'they're wotking on SoB' line in this rumour we're still over a year...which always seems to be the case, so we're no further on.

Sorry if this comes across negative but us SoB players have had so many false starts in getting a new dex that until we get some more substantial rumours it's difficult to get excited.

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I agree with Kid Kyoto and Whitetornado - they have well and truly painted themselves into a corner on Sisters. They aren't selling because they have lousy models, and they don't want to make good models because they aren't selling! The only way to break this cycle is to step away from it. Have Forge World do some models and see how they do - because if they continue with their strategy, eventually someone else is going to fill that void.

Or can see sisters going as the same way Squats went

Good to hear! If it's true, that is. But going from the sources in the OP, chances are looking good.

 Ouze wrote:
They aren't selling because they have lousy models, and they don't want to make good models because they aren't selling!

The Dark Eldar happened. There's a precednet for a low-selling model line being updated and doing well. And their poor sales being due to people not liking the models is extremely debatable. GW also had to keep them all in metal while other armies got plastics, took them out of the stores and presently does not distribute their codex. With all that, of course they aren't selling well. But if GW had been able to make plastics for them years ago, they would likely be selling far better/

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Disbelieve.

GW painted itself into a corner on SoB models, they don't want to keep them in metal, don't want to do them in Finecast, and don't have new ones ready to go.

http://the-responsible-one.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/enter-citadel-ask-audience-we-want-to.html

A couple of these ones got some further points. It was mentioned that originally there had been a technical problem with developing Sisters plastics, but that Games Workshop would now have the technology to be able to do them.

Habeeb it.

 Void_walker wrote:
Or can see sisters going as the same way Squats went

After years of waiting for the Squats to be re-launched I eventually took my dwarf-in-space future into my own hands and bought a load of the Mantic Forge Father guys, with a load more of these (some of which look quite promising) on the horizon it definitely looks like it was the right choice to make. Although, the difference here is that 'dwarves in space' is a pretty common fantasy trope, and it would be difficult for anyone else to create something that was similar to the Sisters without being sued into oblivion.

At times though I felt a bit like a kid at Xmas, stood outside Scrooge's house in the snow, waiting for whatever half-eaten turkey scraps to be thrown out of the window. Not saying this is necessarily the case with the Soritas, but there comes a time when you have to accept the gnawed bone of meat isn't going to come your way, and move on..

I think that regardless of what the models look like (I don't mind them, myself, other than the lack of variety) it's pretty obvious that not providing any easy way to play them at all in the current game and then claiming that they are an under-seller is pretty moronic. Hell, it's actually easier to play the Sisters in the older editions' rulesets than in 6th, even all the way back to 2nd edition!

It would be like bringing back all the sculpts of models past that no longer have legal wargear/weapons, and then claiming, "See? Look at all this stuff we brought back for you, and yet no one is buying any of it."

 AegisGrimm wrote:
it's pretty obvious that not providing any easy way to play them at all in the current game and then claiming that they are an under-seller is pretty moronic.

That's what you call a self-fulfilling prophecy, isn't it?

They really should just put the Codex (at the very least the "existing" one) out in a free PDF, rather then e-format. I know they like to make money off the rules, but free rules to play the models might actually get new people to pay for the models to go with the rules. How bad would it be to put two White Dwarf features online (and officially legal as a download), when it's not going to cannibalize sales of two out-of-print magazines from years ago?

Allowing players to spend 100% of the money they would spend on an army +materials on just the actual models would give a good idea of how well the market for the models is, if there is a sudden jump in model sales.

Well.. I really don't need a codex until the shipment of Raging Heroes miniatures arrives at my place... thus.. June 2016?

 AegisGrimm wrote:
They really should just put the Codex (at the very least the "existing" one) out in a free PDF, rather then e-format.

I don't know if the GW leadership is aware of it or not, but their customer services have been telling people to go download an internet PDF anyway. In light of that, them charging for a digital codex seems a tad redundant. Better to, like you said, make it free to get as many people as possible interested in and playing the SoB. And hey, they did release the Blood Angels WD codex for free, IIRC?

It'll be interesting to see how they handle this.

 Troike wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
They really should just put the Codex (at the very least the "existing" one) out in a free PDF, rather then e-format.

I don't know if the GW leadership is aware of it or not, but their customer services have been telling people to go download an internet PDF anyway. In light of that, them charging for a digital codex seems a tad redundant. Better to, like you said, make it free to get as many people as possible interested in and playing the SoB. And hey, they did release the Blood Angels WD codex for free, IIRC?

It'll be interesting to see how they handle this.

I am going to assume that they will handle it badly.....as always.

Wasn't the WD sisters a 5th ed based "codex".