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HisDivineShadow wrote:Any one thinking plastic Sisters are going to be magically Cheaper are kidding themselves. They probably won't be cheaper then metals, just easier to work with.

Its strange that there aren't Sisters, now. since it could be done with basically 1.5 sprues. Seen the GK power armor sprue? Do exactly that. One Sprue. One Sprue could give you Celestians,, Battle Sisters, Seraphim, and Dominion Squads. Add in a character sprue for HQ, and Bam. Done.

Is it every option from the old Witch hunters? No. But gods it would shut people up

Actually, it's not 'magically cheaper'. It's realistically cheaper.

Using the GK example (which is the best way to go, I agree), they are £20.50 for 5, with all options, making a squad of 10, £41
It's currently £55 a squad of Battle Sisters (would £41 with 2 £20.50 boxes) and £43.50 for a squad of 5 Rets / Celestians / Seraphim (£20.50 with the 5 man box idea).

So for your standard army (Say, Celestine, 2 Troops, 1 squad Seraphim, 1 Squad Rets, 2 Exorcists) redone in plastic, with a £12 HQ, it's going to run you £225, instead of £325.

Even at £25 a box, it's still significantly cheaper than it is in all metal.

A friend of mine has been told that the plastics are in the works now and that there was supposed to be something regarding them at the end of this month. But seeing as the source was GW staff from a GW blue shirt who manned the till at Nottingham HQ..

 BrookM wrote:
A friend of mine has been told that the plastics are in the works now and that there was supposed to be something regarding them at the end of this month.

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard this I could remake my entire SOB army.

 pretre wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
A friend of mine has been told that the plastics are in the works now and that there was supposed to be something regarding them at the end of this month.

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard this I could remake my entire SOB army.

Let's go cray-cray then and share everything!

She was told that Jes was working on the range and that they are now working on the second tooling of the plastics.

There was also the story that the Sisters would be done as a supplement to the Space Marine codex..

Closer to that army now?

 BrookM wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
A friend of mine has been told that the plastics are in the works now and that there was supposed to be something regarding them at the end of this month.

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard this I could remake my entire SOB army.

Let's go cray-cray then and share everything!

She was told that Jes was working on the range and that they are now working on the second tooling of the plastics.

There was also the story that the Sisters would be done as a supplement to the Space Marine codex..

Closer to that army now?

Yep.

Although obviously the supplement part is new since when the last batch of rumors came out, supplements didn't really exist as such.

But still instantly dismissed as hell, why would our beloved Adepta become a supplement to Astartes?

 BrookM wrote:
But still instantly dismissed as hell, why would our beloved Adepta become a supplement to Astartes?

That seems like a logistical nightmare. At least if they became a supplement for GK, it would make more sense from a mechanic standpoint.

 BrookM wrote:
But still instantly dismissed as hell, why would our beloved Adepta become a supplement to Astartes?

Quite a few 40K fans seem to be insistent that the Sisters should be folded into something else.

 pretre wrote:
At least if they became a supplement for GK, it would make more sense from a mechanic standpoint.

Would it? Their playstyles are pretty different, from what I understand. Grey Knights are low-numbers and generally good in assault.

 Troike wrote:
Quite a few 40K fans seem to be insistent that the Sisters should be folded into something else.

Insert tortured innuendo here.

 pretre wrote:
At least if they became a supplement for GK, it would make more sense from a mechanic standpoint.

Would it? Their playstyles are pretty different, from what I understand. Grey Knights are low-numbers and generally good in assault.

GK have a variety of unit styles in the dex and are very customizable. Adding another unit type or two to the book wouldn't be difficult. I don't think it is a good idea, but it is better than C:SM

SoB as a supplement to C:SM is a joke right? My internet sarcasm detector is broken.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
SoB as a supplement to C:SM is a joke right? My internet sarcasm detector is broken.

D

Mostly.

The way that sisters would come as a supplement o c:gk might be as following.

Special rule armor of sisters: all the gk models must shoot and assault sister models, after all sisters models are dead the gk models receive 1+ invul save.

Ot, plastics would be better on the scale of modeling as well. It would increase modeling possibilities tenfold.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
The way that sisters would come as a supplement o c:gk might be as following.

Special rule armor of sisters: all the gk models must shoot and assault sister models, after all sisters models are dead the gk models receive 1+ invul save.

Ot, plastics would be better on the scale of modeling as well. It would increase modeling possibilities tenfold.

Better invuln only against Daemons of Khorne right?

Finally.

I haven't commented much since the WD codex came out... only played 1 game of 6th ed rules... still bought chaos codex... still bought the marine codex... but refuse to buy any models till I get my Sisters.

Hope this brings about something more than just a digital edition, but that's still better than nothing.

I have the 2 WD issues, however I don't really want to start a sisters army with all metal models, I can't stand metal or finecast.

 pretre wrote:

Would it? Their playstyles are pretty different, from what I understand. Grey Knights are low-numbers and generally good in assault.

GK have a variety of unit styles in the dex and are very customizable. Adding another unit type or two to the book wouldn't be difficult. I don't think it is a good idea, but it is better than C:SM

TiamatRoar wrote:
The silly thing about Grey Knights right now that would allow the sisters to be folded into them is that the Grey Knights lets you take various Ordos Xenos and Hereticus inquisitors as well as inquisitorial retinues and assassins. It's practically "Codex: Inquisitors without Deathwatch and Sisters" right now. Just add a few more units and slap in Deathwatch and Sisters and you'd basically end up with Codex: Inquisition.

It'd still be silly though because even though they're a militant arm, SoB and Deathwatch AND Grey Knights are still separate military organizations from the Inquisition when it comes down to things, but hey, if they're going to break that by basically folding all inquisitors into Grey Knights, why not fold EVERYTHING inquisitor-related into it?

...ideally sisters would get their own codex which also would logically have all the inquisitors, just like the Grey Knights, as opposed to this currently lobotomized situation where the Grey Knights basically took all the inquisitors from them, but the fact that this overlap exists would theretically allow them all to be in the same Codex, even if it'd be silly.

Sisters are no longer an Order Militant of the Inquisition. That was just for C:WH. In fact, C:WH was really the only era of SOB where they WERE part of the inquistion. I am much happier having them separate.

I forgot about this thread. Glad to see it isn't dead just yet.

Troike wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
But still instantly dismissed as hell, why would our beloved Adepta become a supplement to Astartes?

Quite a few 40K fans seem to be insistent that the Sisters should be folded into something else.

From my dealings with people, the ones who want them rolled into another book or dropped are the ones who "don't see the point" of the army. Be it a lack of knowing what they do, or just not understanding that an army isn't just its statline, or some other third reason I can't think of right now they believe that it'd be better for everyone if it got rolled....possibly off a cliff.

 pretre wrote:
At least if they became a supplement for GK, it would make more sense from a mechanic standpoint.

I could see that being a logistical mess too. Honestly Sister don't "fit" when you look at sticking them in another army. They don't really play like Marines, due to the differences in weapon options pushing them to be a short ranged army. Maybe with a LOT of changes we could see it happen, but not like this. At least in my opinion.

pizzaguardian wrote:The way that sisters would come as a supplement o c:gk might be as following.

Special rule armor of sisters: all the gk models must shoot and assault sister models, after all sisters models are dead the gk models receive 1+ invul save.

Ot, plastics would be better on the scale of modeling as well. It would increase modeling possibilities tenfold.

Yes, because every Sister ever should have an innate hatred for an organization they shouldn't even know exists and can't even know that they were partially responsible for the deaths of that coven.

I agree though, that the plastics would help a lot. We'd see an initial drop in the number of unique looking models without conversion or a LOT of options (last time I counted I think we've currently got somewhere in the tune of 52+ unique models in total right now) but the current level of plastic kits does bring hope in that matter.

pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
The silly thing about Grey Knights right now that would allow the sisters to be folded into them is that the Grey Knights lets you take various Ordos Xenos and Hereticus inquisitors as well as inquisitorial retinues and assassins. It's practically "Codex: Inquisitors without Deathwatch and Sisters" right now. Just add a few more units and slap in Deathwatch and Sisters and you'd basically end up with Codex: Inquisition.

It'd still be silly though because even though they're a militant arm, SoB and Deathwatch AND Grey Knights are still separate military organizations from the Inquisition when it comes down to things, but hey, if they're going to break that by basically folding all inquisitors into Grey Knights, why not fold EVERYTHING inquisitor-related into it?

...ideally sisters would get their own codex which also would logically have all the inquisitors, just like the Grey Knights, as opposed to this currently lobotomized situation where the Grey Knights basically took all the inquisitors from them, but the fact that this overlap exists would theretically allow them all to be in the same Codex, even if it'd be silly.

Sisters are no longer an Order Militant of the Inquisition. That was just for C:WH. In fact, C:WH was really the only era of SOB where they WERE part of the inquistion. I am much happier having them separate.

Petre is on point, but there is another factor to consider too: each branch of the Inquisition deals with a different brand of Heresy. Now sometimes one may lead to another (Hereticus may end up fighting Daemons, or Xenos consorting with Daemons might cause the Deathwatch to need some specialist help), but ultimately they're their own things and if they end up all in the same book I see us needing something like the rules for the Space Marine codex. Declaring things as only options available to X army, and making things have to ally in to mix them.

Of course if Sisters get rolled back under the Inquisition I know that personally I'll be right tiffed.

I had a thought today, and if Battle Sisters stay 12ppm then I want to see some things added to the army to make up for their cost:

1. Adamantium Will (Gimmie)
2. Preffered Enemy (Psyker) OR Hatred (Psyker) (these would also work on units that have psykers in them just to make it easier)
3. Immunity to ID by Force Weapons back
4. Major Militant Order Traits. Each Order takes after the personality of the Saint that they were founded under (and in the case of the Minor Orders, the Saint that lead the Order they're based under). There is room for some really neat rules that be thrown in there for the fluff and I'd love to see it.

I know some of that is 3rd Ed Witch Hunters material, but Sisters have had a long standing dislike of all psykers and it'd be a really cool way to really give the army a unique feeling on the table as no one else has such a hard anti-psyker thing going for them (though Black Templars are a close one). Add in that they can never ally with an army that is lead by a Psyker (or that they automatically treat that army as Desperate Allies for the entire game) and they'd be pretty set I think.

ClockworkZion wrote:

pizzaguardian wrote:The way that sisters would come as a supplement o c:gk might be as following.

Special rule armor of sisters: all the gk models must shoot and assault sister models, after all sisters models are dead the gk models receive 1+ invul save.

Ot, plastics would be better on the scale of modeling as well. It would increase modeling possibilities tenfold.

Yes, because every Sister ever should have an innate hatred for an organization they shouldn't even know exists and can't even know that they were partially responsible for the deaths of that coven.

NoFunAllowed.jpg

"partially responsible"? How are the GK's only "partially responsible"? I mean, obviously the organization as a whole wasn't there, but those that were...

 streamdragon wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

pizzaguardian wrote:The way that sisters would come as a supplement o c:gk might be as following.

Special rule armor of sisters: all the gk models must shoot and assault sister models, after all sisters models are dead the gk models receive 1+ invul save.

Ot, plastics would be better on the scale of modeling as well. It would increase modeling possibilities tenfold.

Yes, because every Sister ever should have an innate hatred for an organization they shouldn't even know exists and can't even know that they were partially responsible for the deaths of that coven.

NoFunAllowed.jpg

"partially responsible"? How are the GK's only "partially responsible"? I mean, obviously the organization as a whole wasn't there, but those that were...

The Bloodtide was killing them first. The GKs only finished off the few that were left.

Can we talk about the potential Digital WD Codex Release now and not the tired old Bloodtide crap?

 pretre wrote:
Can we talk about the potential Digital WD Codex Release now and not the tired old Bloodtide crap?

It (the potential digital codex) does make me sort of wonder why they would do bother, honestly. I figure it comes down to one of a few scenarios:

1. Drum up support for the Sisters of Battle. I find this rather unlikely, honestly, given the cost in actually building a Sisters of Battle force these days.
2. Gauge interest. I still have both WD issues, and don't have an e-reader/tablet of any sort, so this release doesn't interest me at all. I suspect many are in the same position as I.
3. Release it as an e-dex to make money of the current Sisters of Battle players, especially those who were unable to get their hands on the WD issues.

I suppose I don't see the sales numbers or customer requests that GW does, but I find 3 just as unlikely as 1 or 2. A codex with no models won't get much interest, especially a codex that they have to realize is available online (illegaly, obviously). When the flyer rules for Stormtalons and Ork *Jets came out we had a similar WD set of rules, but they were never reprinted. Instead GW shoe-horned in an entire new book. I'm unsure how they would do something similar with Sisters without any sort of model release. I suppose since there's no print costs they only really have to cover the cost of the man-hours required to piece the two WD articles into a single iBook/eBook/PDF file.

 streamdragon wrote:
I figure it comes down to one of a few scenarios:

1. Drum up support for the Sisters of Battle. I find this rather unlikely, honestly, given the cost in actually building a Sisters of Battle force these days.
2. Gauge interest. I still have both WD issues, and don't have an e-reader/tablet of any sort, so this release doesn't interest me at all. I suspect many are in the same position as I.
3. Release it as an e-dex to make money of the current Sisters of Battle players, especially those who were unable to get their hands on the WD issues.

4. Release it as an e-dex so that existing and new SOB players have an option other than pirating or paying high prices on e-bay.

Isn't that what I said in point 3?

 streamdragon wrote:
Isn't that what I said in point 3?

I was providing an altruistic reason where as yours was purely to make money. Mine is much less likely.

 pretre wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Isn't that what I said in point 3?

I was providing an altruistic reason where as yours was purely to make money. Mine is much less likely.

Ha! Fair enough, though when I said "make money" I didn't mean to attach any negative connotations to it. They're a business, I can't fault them for wanting to make money.

ClockworkZion wrote:
From my dealings with people, the ones who want them rolled into another book or dropped are the ones who "don't see the point" of the army. Be it a lack of knowing what they do, or just not understanding that an army isn't just its statline, or some other third reason I can't think of right now they believe that it'd be better for everyone if it got rolled....possibly off a cliff.

Yeah, this is usually true in my experience true.

 pretre wrote:
I was providing an altruistic reason where as yours was purely to make money. Mine is much less likely.

Why is it less likely? They released the Blood Angels WD codex for free as a PDF, IIRC.

 streamdragon wrote:
It (the potential digital codex) does make me sort of wonder why they would do bother, honestly.

As I've said, apparently they can now make plastics. Hence, this could well be a way of priming people for a big model/codex update.

 streamdragon wrote:
1. Drum up support for the Sisters of Battle. I find this rather unlikely, honestly, given the cost in actually building a Sisters of Battle force these days.

To be fair, it's hard to do because they're all web-only and all-metal. GW is likely aware of their own hand in this.

 streamdragon wrote:
2. Gauge interest.

I doubt it. As I've said, they're likely aware of the interest already. Their customer services and the devs themselves get asked about the SoB quite frequently. And, as ClockworkZion said, there was a time when they refused to answer quesitons about them, preumably becoming tired of getting them.

 streamdragon wrote:
especially a codex that they have to realize is available online

Their customer services certainly are. Though I'm unsure if GW knows that their customer service people have been advocating this. Though my local GW's manager was actually told by customer services to tell a customer to go download a PDF, so it seems they've been fairly open about it.

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I was providing an altruistic reason where as yours was purely to make money. Mine is much less likely.

Why is it less likely? They released the Blood Angels WD codex for free as a PDF, IIRC.

That was quite a few years ago. If you remember, they did the same with C:WH. When's the last time they did something similar?

 pretre wrote:
When's the last time they did something similar?

When's the last time an army had a White Dwarf codex?

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
When's the last time they did something similar?

When's the last time they had a White Dwarf codex?

Compare the time between release of WD C:BA and the Free Digital version. Then compare the time between the release of WD C:SOB and the free digital version.

Heck, BA had a real codex much sooner than we ever got a digital version (even if this rumor is true).