Are Orks the only race thats brave/stupid enough to invade a Daemon world?

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**Tardzan**

Daemon worlds are basically impossible to conquer right? Would any race actually try and invade a daemon world except for the Orks? since they do love fighting.

**Mr Morden**

Eldar have done it to retrieve Spirit Stones and artefacts

Space Marines have done it - IIRC there are a couple of mentions in the new Codex

Dark Eldar would do it for the sheer buzz...

Tau woud try and convert them to the greater good - briefly - depends if they recognsie the true thrreat - how obvious the Daemon world is.

Necrons would try to destroy it

**sing your life**

Grey knights have probably invaded a daemon world sometime.

**Troike**

I think that Tardzan means actually conquering the thing, not just deploying troops down to it. Unless he didn't. But as far as conquering it goes, yeah, Orks are probably one of the few races that would attempt it. And even then, they'd be more interested in the fighting than the gaining of territory.

Necrons could also be feasible. Not an expert on 'Cron lore, but they have tech that can block out the warp's influence, right? Perhaps if they poured in enough resources, they could cut a Daemon world off from the warp, thus shutting the Daemons out, and claim it for themselves.

@Mr Morden: As for groups willing to actually deploy troops down to it, if that's what OP meant, I'll add Sisters to the list. Their codex has them successfully retreieving some holy relics from a Shrine world that became a Daemon world.

**Xyptc**

Tyranids would simply ignore the thing, unless the local tactical situation required the annihilation of the Daemon World to give the Hive Fleet an easier job of consuming other nearby planets (one of the reasons they would also smash a Forge World, which otherwise may look like a poor meal).

**Troike**

Xyptc wrote:
Tyranids would simply ignore the thing, unless the local tactical situation required the annihilation of the Daemon World to give the Hive Fleet an easier job of consuming other nearby planets (one of the reasons they would also smash a Forge World, which otherwise may look like a poor meal).

Would they? I would have thought that The Shadow in the Warp would give them a natural advantage on a Daemon world.

**Xyptc**

Troike wrote:
Xyptc wrote:
Tyranids would simply ignore the thing, unless the local tactical situation required the annihilation of the Daemon World to give the Hive Fleet an easier job of consuming other nearby planets (one of the reasons they would also smash a Forge World, which otherwise may look like a poor meal).

Would they? I would have thought that The Shadow in the Warp would give them a natural advantage on a Daemon world.

It would certainly be a factor in the Tyranids' favour, but aside from smashing an enemy stronghold what real benefit would the Tyranids get? In the same way that a Hive Fleet is perfectly willing to cut its losses and simply go around a Necron stronghold if the reward for crushing it isn't large enough, I see no reason why they wouldn't treat Daemon Worlds similarly.

This is of course assuming that the soul-sucking power of the Doom of Malan'tai doesn't lead to an anti-Warp entity version of the Zoanthrope that is designed explicitly to defeat Daemons... but even then, what's the worth of a Daemon World to the Hive Fleets? A poor meal, I would think.

**aapch45**

Well in the grey knights book, they assail a daemon world, and conquer most of it, give up, and perform exterminatus.

Orks have actually gone into the warp to fight daemons before... other races... not so sure.

**Melissia**

Troike wrote:
I think that Tardzan means actually conquering the thing, not just deploying troops down to it. Unless he didn't. But as far as conquering it goes, yeah, Orks are probably one of the few races that would attempt it. And even then, they'd be more interested in the fighting than the gaining of territory.

They're also possibly the only race that not only tried, but succeeded. Tuska conquered numerous daemon worlds before finally ending up on the planet of the Blood Prince.

There, in his Orky mind, he found heaven-- an eternity of all-out brutal warfare where each day all his boyz and himself are resurrected, along with all their enemies.

**TiamatRoar**

Despite being a disaster, the Abyssal Crusade actually did successfully purge a lot of daemon worlds, though they obviously didn't try to hold it.

Tyranids came across a planet that was becoming a daemon world once. It was a pretty huge battle until the Grey Knights and Sky Sentinals exterminatus'd the thing (after retrieving some artifacts from it first).

**Dark Apostle 666**

I imagine that a lot of races have invaded Daemon worlds... But if you add the word "successfully"?

That might be a rather a short list, I would think.

And Tuska would be right at the top of that list. I don't play Orks, but you can't help but respect the filthy xeno.

**Spetulhu**

On the other hand, daemon worlds were once normal worlds. They fell under warp influence when the amount of daemons, cultists and dark power got high enough. Maybe a daemon world would return to normal if one managed to wipe out enough daemons?

**Spinner**

Spetulhu wrote:
On the other hand, daemon worlds were once normal worlds. They fell under warp influence when the amount of daemons, cultists and dark power got high enough. Maybe a daemon world would return to normal if one managed to wipe out enough daemons?

The taint of the Warp cannot be purged, save with cleansing fire! Nuke it from orbit!

I'm not sure many non-Chaos factions would try and conquer it (maybe Tyranids, for a given value of conquer - perhaps it's made out of rotting flesh or something that they can consume?), but I could see just about everyone attacking one with some specific objective in mind. It'd have to be a worthwhile objective, though, and a lot of people aren't coming back from that...

Then, of course, we break out the Cyclone Torpedoes.

**thetallestgiraffe**

Everyone is stupid enough to do it.
As said above, the eldar do it for spirit stones

Orks just love the fight.

Space marines were tricked into sending 30 chapters into the warp to do it, it was the Abyssal crusade. Only 1 chapter, the vorpal swords, and those companies from other chapters that joined them returned uncorrupted. 2 died faithful to the imperium, 1 is still unknown, and one is still pending.

However it is possible to take a daemon world. The chaos gods do it to each other constantly, you just have to eradicate the presence of god controlling it. I think it's done by a combination of your own psykers and making places of worship for your own guy or something. I'm not too sure. The vorpal swords were said to have taken 400 worlds in the name of the emperor.

Edit: legions to chapters

**BlaxicanX**

400?

That's pretty damn impressive.

**KhornedBeef**

"Space marines were tricked into sending 30 legions"

O_o

**TiamatRoar**

The Vorpal Swords didn't "take" them as in, "They are now faithful planets that belong to the Imperium". They "purged" them, IIRC, as in "where once there was evil icky daemons, there is now nothing!". Which is better than leaving them as evil icky daemon worlds but not exactly the same thing.

Still impressive considering the circumstances. Odds are pretty good such faithfulness fell into Tzeentch's "not as planned" category.

Tzeentch: And they all shall be corrupted to Chaos!

Vorpal Swords: *doesn't get corrupted* *purges 400 worlds*

Tzeentch: ...I meant to do that.

**Iracundus**

The Eldar successfully fought campaigns on Belial IV and Eidolon during the 13th Black Crusade. From the official GW EoT campaign results:

Aeons ago, the crone world of Belial IV was a capital world of the Eldar empire. Deep in the heart of the Eldar homelands, the verdant paradise was all but obliterated when the cataclysmic Fall of the Eldar stripped away thousands of years of culture and beauty and replaced it with madness, desolation and evil. Belial IV became a dust-strewn wreck of daemon-infested ruins and crackling, baleful skies.

Maugan Ra, a Phoenix Lord and therefore a veteran of webway travel, braved the depths of the Eye of Terror on a pilgrimage to the shattered crone worlds, intending to find a faction of Eldar he believed trapped in the Eye of Terror. Taking with him a few of his favoured disciples, Maugan Ra eventually reached the hex-system of Belial. What he found there he would not speak of and he was not seen again until he appeared upon Ulthwé to form the infamous Strke Forces, filled with renewed energy and determination.

Towards the end of the Thirteenth Crusade, many of the Eldar in the system departed from warzones in the Imperial space and gathered upon Belial IV under Maugan Ra's command. They took the fight to the indigenous Chaos forces with such unremitting fury that vast areas were reclaimed by the Eldar. The battle also raged around Belial IV in the labyrinth dimension of the webway, but it seemed that without the guidance of their leaders the Strike Forces were suffering heavy losses to the Dark Eldar and Thousand Sons. The otherworldly guardians of the Black Library, fearing for their shadowy realm's safety, revealed hitherto unknown capillaries of the webway to the Ulthwé Eldar, enabling them not only to escape from the net drawing around them but to stage a series of ambushes that broke the deadlock and turned the tide once and for all.

The final and most decisive, twist to this peculiar theatre of war came when a Daemon horde led a counter-attack against the Eldar consolidating their hold on the crone worlds, as sudden as it was devastating. To the great shock of the Eldar below, the withered and broken Craftworld of Altansar, thought lost to the Warp for 10,000 years, drifted into orbit above the crone worlds. Hundreds of pallid, ghost-like Eldar joined their brethren on the field of battle, throwing back the Daemon tide with wave after wave of silent, grim warriors. Since that great victory Belial IV has been reclaimed by the Eldar. What this, and the reappearance of the Lost, bodes for the Eldar race remains to be seen.

The mysterious sector of Eidolon, deep in the heart of the Eye of Terror, is one of the most remote and peculiar of the daemon worlds fought upon during the Thirteenth Crusade. Divided into several continents where a different Chaos power reigns over each, the battlezones of Eidolon present a panoply of strange and excruciating ways to die. Its shifting landscapes defy all reason, and, althought it was once a beautiful maiden world of the Eldar, it has changed so irrevocably that no real trace of its former glory exists. Nonetheless, the victories won by the forces of Order, notably the Eldar of Biel-tan, have established several enclaves of sanity in the roiling seas of possibility that characterise Eidolon. The Eldar hope that one day these islands can grow and become stable, and that eventually the secrets of Eidolon can be reclaimed.

**Zed**

They're the only ones brave/stupid enough to do it for a laugh, certainly. Anyone else would need to have an objective in mind, or really need the planet gone, before they'd consider sending forces into that big a mess.

**Da krimson barun**

Melissia wrote:
Troike wrote:
I think that Tardzan means actually conquering the thing, not just deploying troops down to it. Unless he didn't. But as far as conquering it goes, yeah, Orks are probably one of the few races that would attempt it. And even then, they'd be more interested in the fighting than the gaining of territory.
They're also possibly the only race that not only tried, but succeeded. Tuska conquered numerous daemon worlds before finally ending up on the planet of the Blood Prince.

There, in his Orky mind, he found heaven-- an eternity of all-out brutal warfare where each day all his boyz and himself are resurrected, along with all their enemies.

He is the most awesome thing ever.WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!

**Troike**

Xyptc wrote:
It would certainly be a factor in the Tyranids' favour, but aside from smashing an enemy stronghold what real benefit would the Tyranids get?

Well, there could hypothetically be plenty of biomass down there to eat, such as local fauna and flora. Minerals too.

Though, granted, being from a Daemon world, those things might have adverse effects on the Tyranids if eaten.

**Gitsmasher**

Farsight enclave invaded a daemon world. They didnt understand what they were fighting at first until he noticed every time blood was spilled more daemons would appear.

**Wilytank**

Troike wrote:
Xyptc wrote:
Tyranids would simply ignore the thing, unless the local tactical situation required the annihilation of the Daemon World to give the Hive Fleet an easier job of consuming other nearby planets (one of the reasons they would also smash a Forge World, which otherwise may look like a poor meal).

Would they? I would have thought that The Shadow in the Warp would give them a natural advantage on a Daemon world.

The Daemon codex mentions the Tyranids altering their invasion courses to avoid warp storms, so I think they see it as some sort of threat. The Shadow might not be strong enough to stop all that warp energy.

Mr Morden wrote:

Dark Eldar would do it for the sheer buzz...

The Daemon codex also mentions a Dark Eldar noble staging a hunt on a Daemon world. They capture some flesh hounds including a three-headed one that's larger than the rest (I presume this is Karanak). On the way back through the Webway, the Hounds break free from their shackles and kill everyone on board the Dark Eldar ship.

**Daba**

Eldar conquered one in EOT.

**willhman**

I believe it is said somewhere that the nids can't eat the things that it has been touched by the warp, because they have messed up genetics and so actually lose biomass if they would attack a daemon world since the entire world is plagued by the touch of the warp.

Also shadow of the warp would weaken the connection between the warp and the daemon world, not cut it off completely I believe. So daemon's would still get reinforcements but it would be slow.

**Roberkhan**

Already mentioned, but Tuska did it in his Orky version of the Groundhog Day!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tuska#.UjQQ9dLwnpw

Somehow, going into the Eye of Terror is similar to walkabouts into the Realm of Hades from classic myths. Daemon Worlds are not necessarily impregnable fortresses. They are more like crazy nightmares where your soul, even more than your body, is the game. There is this beautiful story about Altansar, the Eldar Craftworld that misteriously survived in the Eye of Terror for millenia before Maugan Ra rescued it. Now, it's inhabitants are observed with reluctancy by other Eldar. Altansar was saved, but, at which price?

**Quarterdime**

sing your life wrote:
Grey knights have probably invaded a daemon world sometime.

lol, yeah. Why are we forgetting the Imperium? They love to eradicate daemon worlds more than anyone else.

**Lynata**

Spinner wrote:I'm not sure many non-Chaos factions would try and conquer it (maybe Tyranids, for a given value of conquer - perhaps it's made out of rotting flesh or something that they can consume?), but I could see just about everyone attacking one with some specific objective in mind. It'd have to be a worthwhile objective, though

Such as, say, the left thighbone of some long-dead Imperial Saint.

**gossipmeng**

I remember reading somewhere (maybe in CSM 3.5 dex?) that on one khorne planet, each day all the dead orks and chaos forced would resurrect and kill each other, over, and over - the orks loved it

**Mr Morden**

Thats the Ork Warboss Tuska and his Boyz - see previous posts