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so looking through the new SM dex, i saw something that i think could be either equal to or a little worse than draigo.

chapter master, (iron hands) artificer armour, the sheild eternal, and a powerfist (Or whatever weapon you like)

225 ppints.

so he has it will not die, 3+ invul, 4 wounds, 2+ armor, 6+ fnp, 4 wounds.

he also decently cheap for what it would cost to get a charatcer as good as. he has orbital bombardment, to get things done, and when joined in a squad could be a lascannon stopper just like draigo.

thoughts?

Nothing like Draigo, he gives no buffs and is just a decent beatstick.

hes better at staying alive from lascannons. which is why i said almost. He would be in a squad of honor gaurd with another chapter master, and take all hvy weapons, and lookout sir some of the small pitter patter weapons to the other chapter master.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
hes better at staying alive from lascannons. which is why i said almost. He would be in a squad of honor gaurd with another chapter master, and take all hvy weapons, and lookout sir some of the small pitter patter weapons to the other chapter master.

What size games are you playing? That sounds like a huge amount of points in a unit that would just get kited and walked around.

Put him on a bike and he arguably becomes a much bigger threat than Draigo due to his incredible mobility. Ally in some Ravenwing Black Knights and the unit becomes very solid indeed.

Iranna.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
so looking through the new SM dex, i saw something that i think could be either equal to or a little worse than draigo.

chapter master, (iron hands) artificer armour, the sheild eternal, and a powerfist (Or whatever weapon you like)

225 ppints.

so he has it will not die, 3+ invul, 4 wounds, 2+ armor, 6+ fnp, 4 wounds.

he also decently cheap for what it would cost to get a charatcer as good as. he has orbital bombardment, to get things done, and when joined in a squad could be a lascannon stopper just like draigo.

thoughts?

I'm fairly sure this has been discovered already.

Actually yes it has.

This does seem like one of the best generic beatsticks.

 Kain wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
so looking through the new SM dex, i saw something that i think could be either equal to or a little worse than draigo.

chapter master, (iron hands) artificer armour, the sheild eternal, and a powerfist (Or whatever weapon you like)

225 ppints.

so he has it will not die, 3+ invul, 4 wounds, 2+ armor, 6+ fnp, 4 wounds.

he also decently cheap for what it would cost to get a charatcer as good as. he has orbital bombardment, to get things done, and when joined in a squad could be a lascannon stopper just like draigo.

thoughts?

I'm fairly sure this has been discovered already.

Actually yes it has.

This does seem like one of the best generic beatsticks.

darn thought i had finally figured out something new :/ ahh well.

like the idea About the bike though iranna.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
so looking through the new SM dex, i saw something that i think could be either equal to or a little worse than draigo.

chapter master, (iron hands) artificer armour, the sheild eternal, and a powerfist (Or whatever weapon you like)

225 ppints.

so he has it will not die, 3+ invul, 4 wounds, 2+ armor, 6+ fnp, 4 wounds.

he also decently cheap for what it would cost to get a charatcer as good as. he has orbital bombardment, to get things done, and when joined in a squad could be a lascannon stopper just like draigo.

thoughts?

I'm fairly sure this has been discovered already.

Actually yes it has.

This does seem like one of the best generic beatsticks.

darn thought i had finally figured out something new :/ ahh well.

like the idea About the bike though iranna.

And yeah, with a bike not only does he laugh at small arms fire even harder, but he also becomes one of the fastest beat sticks ever.

what does the shield do

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
what does the shield do

3++ and Eternal warrior.

Who is better at staying alive from lascannons?

the iron hand chapter master. he has less wounds, but only by 1, and they both have 3++, and eternal warrior, but iron hands chapter master has it will not die. this makes him better at staying alive from them pesky lascannons

Hmph. He may be better at living through lascannons, but Draigo is better in combat.

meybe. but whos cheaper and faster?

Drago's weapon is only ap3 so he bounces off a lot of his attacks

Pony_law wrote:
Drago's weapon is only ap3 so he bounces off a lot of his attacks

But he spontaneously hulks out when fighting daemons and psykers. Hrmm..

This sounds pretty cool. I think I will put a jump pack on him. stick him in a unit of stern guard and drop pod in. HE can soak up most wounds that come after him Rampage time

Stick what you've got on a bike for extra speed and making bikes troops if you so desire. Also, T5.

If the rules kerfuffle concerning the taking of multiple relics comes down in favor of taking multiple relics at once, give him the Burning Blade too.

It's expensive, but he's nigh unkillable, able to get into cc very quickly, and dishes out a bunch of S7 AP2 attacks at initiative. You can't really kite him because he's going to chase you down by turn 2, and he makes everything short of AV14 look squishy. Aim him at the biggest meanest thing in the enemy army, wind him up, and let him go. Challenge HQs and rip their hearts out.

Again, expensive as hell, but he's got the speed to make those points back. No reason he should be assaulting, turn 2, and he should be assaulting either A) an HQ, and challenging them, B) an MC, C) an elite unit of infantry (termies or something), or D) a vehicle.

The one concern is if your opponent tarpits him in a blob, but if you run him with a unit of other bikers, you should be able to chew through them ok. Alternatively, you're almost certainly faster than them, so why are you getting caught in a tarpit in the first place.

Alternatively, WS CM in that same configuration. Loses IWND, but gains Hit and Run, so getting him stuck in a horde is impossible. If you want survivability back, stick him in a command squad with an apothecary, to get FNP(5+).

Alternatively alternatively, IH CM on a bike with a command squad with an apothecary. How impossible to kill is he? Pretty much totally and completely. And that command squad will help to chew through enemies and avoid tarpits.

No matter what chapter you're running this guy looks like a good option. The only CT that don't benefit the super chapter master in some way are the Imperial Fists, then he'll only be a 2+/3++ EW beat stick on a bike or a jump pack with a boatload of high strength attacks.

Taking him as an IF guy might not give him any benefits personally, but if you're willing to spend the points to put lots of Devastators on the table, then you could have a very mobile assault force of bikes complemented by a very powerful Tank Hunting backline.

And he's still incredibly tough to kill. Take a command squad on bikes with an apothecary and a few special weapons, and you've got a fast deadly unit with an incredibly hard to crack HQ at the front.

so what exactly does the faq say about c squad taking special weapons?


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because i run him in one usually

Well, it says veterans can take special weapons.

There is an ongoing debate if that includes apothecaries and company champions. If upgrades can occur in an order (1. Take Special Weapon, 2. upgrade to apothecary), then the answer would appear to be yes to both, as they both start as veterans.

Of course, the wording has generally barred apothecaries from having special weapons in the past, that has been both RAW and RAI going into 5th and earlier. The problem is the RAW here appears to allow for it, and thus the RAI becomes ambiguous. It is possible that GW wanted there to be a change, but at the same time, it's possible it was a mistake.

ok cool. thats nice to know. so ya, the chapter master in camand squad is really nice

 Kain wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
so looking through the new SM dex, i saw something that i think could be either equal to or a little worse than draigo.

chapter master, (iron hands) artificer armour, the sheild eternal, and a powerfist (Or whatever weapon you like)

225 ppints.

so he has it will not die, 3+ invul, 4 wounds, 2+ armor, 6+ fnp, 4 wounds.

he also decently cheap for what it would cost to get a charatcer as good as. he has orbital bombardment, to get things done, and when joined in a squad could be a lascannon stopper just like draigo.

thoughts?

I'm fairly sure this has been discovered already.

Actually yes it has.

This does seem like one of the best generic beatsticks.

The Salamanders player at my store saw it right away. He ran with a unit with the Chapter Master with the eternity shield, thunderhammer and AA. He then put him in a unit with Vulkan and Thundernators.

 DarthOvious wrote:


The Salamanders player at my store saw it right away. He ran with a unit with the Chapter Master with the eternity shield, thunderhammer and AA. He then put him in a unit with Vulkan and Thundernators.

How'd it go? Were they in a transport, or on foot, and how did they perform. I feel like that unit would be super powerful once they finally hit cc, but very slow to get there.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This sounds pretty cool. I think I will put a jump pack on him. stick him in a unit of stern guard and drop pod in. HE can soak up most wounds that come after him Rampage time

This is exactly what Blood Angels need to make Assault Marines survivable again. Have a chapter master like this in the unit at the front taken all the heavy fire.


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DogofWar1 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:


The Salamanders player at my store saw it right away. He ran with a unit with the Chapter Master with the eternity shield, thunderhammer and AA. He then put him in a unit with Vulkan and Thundernators.

How'd it go? Were they in a transport, or on foot, and how did they perform. I feel like that unit would be super powerful once they finally hit cc, but very slow to get there.

Well we won the game in the afternoon. It was apocalypse and they basically got out their land raider and killed an obliterator and took the objective.

He also won the game in the morning when he was up against Orks. His thoughts on the unit were very positive.

sweet. sems like fun

The feth, is this idiot stronger than Ghazghull? Not cool GW

 Dakkamite wrote:
The feth, is this idiot stronger than Ghazghull? Not cool GW

This guy can solo Abbadon

hes de bes