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Ok so grav weapons wound based on the target's armor save. So what do we do when the target unit is a mixed armor save unit? The obvious example would broadsides with missile drones, or a unit that has a character in it with a better save for the unit. what does dakka think?

RAW - no solution
HIWPI - majority save, similar to majority toughness.

rigeld2 wrote:
RAW - no solution
HIWPI - majority save, similar to majority toughness.

this seems like the best way to handle it.

And coincides with the rest of the to wound rules, just substitute majority Toughness for Majority Armor Save and the rules work flawlessly (For once).

rigeld2 wrote:
RAW - no solution
HIWPI - majority save, similar to majority toughness.

That solution seems like a mix bag for riptides, as majority T 4 will hurt them as they will run away to bolter fire, but an absolute coo for broadsides that now get to treat grav guns like AP2 bolters.

I would have to agree. Use the majority armour save. If no majority exists, use the best (in this case the lowest).

Mr. Cruddace and team didn't think this one through unfortunately.

Majority saves makes sense, but what do you do when there is no majority? For toughness it would be use the highest... but what's considered "higher"? A worse save is numerically higher...

 morgendonner wrote:
Majority saves makes sense, but what do you do when there is no majority? For toughness it would be use the highest... but what's considered "higher"? A worse save is numerically higher...

The highest save is a 2+, because the rules say that a save gets better as it goes down.

Pony_law wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
RAW - no solution
HIWPI - majority save, similar to majority toughness.

That solution seems like a mix bag for riptides, as majority T 4 will hurt them as they will run away to bolter fire, but an absolute coo for broadsides that now get to treat grav guns like AP2 bolters.

Riptides have Majority T4?

rigeld2 wrote:
RAW - no solution
HIWPI - majority save, similar to majority toughness.

I wouldnt say RAW is no solution,

just like with things that wound vrs Ld, when we are told to sub in Ld for T, we sub in armour save for T in this case,

so yes I agree with you, but would say RAW is pretty clear that its majority sv as we sub in sv for T just like other mechanics.

I think he was talking about taking drones on the riptide and broadsides, majority saves really helps tau as the broadsides get a majority 4+ with drones, and the riptide as well, afaik shielded missile drones are t6 as well so they will still be majority t6 vs bolter though.

 easysauce wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
RAW - no solution
HIWPI - majority save, similar to majority toughness.

I wouldnt say RAW is no solution,

just like with things that wound vrs Ld, when we are told to sub in Ld for T, we sub in armour save for T in this case,

so yes I agree with you, but would say RAW is pretty clear that its majority sv as we sub in sv for T just like other mechanics.

Except we aren't wounding against the armor save.
We're using the armor save as the to-wound roll. We don't even use the to-wound chart. Not a similar situation by any means.

 DeathReaper wrote:

Pony_law wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
RAW - no solution
HIWPI - majority save, similar to majority toughness.

That solution seems like a mix bag for riptides, as majority T 4 will hurt them as they will run away to bolter fire, but an absolute coo for broadsides that now get to treat grav guns like AP2 bolters.

Riptides have Majority T4?

I assume he means with drones which is not correct. Their drones are the same Toughness as the Riptides. They have a worse save though so grav weapons are weakened on riptides with the HIWPI ruling until one of the drones dies.

EDIT: triple ninja, man i am a slow typer

The FoB FAQ'd it as majority save. I would also have to go into extent if its a perfect 50/50 cut you always get the better of the two. By that I mean you get the resulting save that will cause less damage. For example 5 wraith guard attached to 5 spirit seers. Their sv is '-' so they are almost immune to grav weapons. There is wording on the grav type that they always at least wound on a roll of a 6.

 cormadepanda wrote:
The FoB FAQ'd it as majority save. I would also have to go into extent if its a perfect 50/50 cut you always get the better of the two. By that I mean you get the resulting save that will cause less damage. For example 5 wraith guard attached to 5 spirit seers. Their sv is '-' so they are almost immune to grav weapons. There is wording on the grav type that they always at least wound on a roll of a 6.

So my buddies swarmlord with iron arm and his 1 tyrant guard are t6 then right? The 'better' armour save is the 3+ from the wraith guard, so the unit (being mixed 50/50) would be wounded on 3+.

 Mulletdude wrote:

 cormadepanda wrote:
The FoB FAQ'd it as majority save. I would also have to go into extent if its a perfect 50/50 cut you always get the better of the two. By that I mean you get the resulting save that will cause less damage. For example 5 wraith guard attached to 5 spirit seers. Their sv is '-' so they are almost immune to grav weapons. There is wording on the grav type that they always at least wound on a roll of a 6.

So my buddies swarmlord with iron arm and his 1 tyrant guard are t6 then right? The 'better' armour save is the 3+ from the wraith guard, so the unit (being mixed 50/50) would be wounded on 3+.

Yes that would be the case in my world. Because the defender always gets the benefit of the best majority. Ie t6 wraith at 5 models and 5 spirit seers treat the unit as t6 for shooting.

In the case of grav guns, he would have a 3+ save and a 2+ save with the Tyrant and guard. Thus you wound on 3+ over 2+ because he gets the best benefit majority.

Just don't use fast dice and roll wounds separately so a drone on 4 then when gone a tide on 2 etc.

 Mulletdude wrote:

 cormadepanda wrote:
The FoB FAQ'd it as majority save. I would also have to go into extent if its a perfect 50/50 cut you always get the better of the two. By that I mean you get the resulting save that will cause less damage. For example 5 wraith guard attached to 5 spirit seers. Their sv is '-' so they are almost immune to grav weapons. There is wording on the grav type that they always at least wound on a roll of a 6.

So my buddies swarmlord with iron arm and his 1 tyrant guard are t6 then right? The 'better' armour save is the 3+ from the wraith guard, so the unit (being mixed 50/50) would be wounded on 3+.

No, you use the best one if there's only one of each different toughness values.

That's why a swarmstar of a tyrant guard, a swarmlord, and a tyranid prime is so strong, they all use the Swarmlord's heightened toughness value.