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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/12 16:59:28
Subject: 1850 Competitive Black Templars list
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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This is my attempt at a competitive yet fluffy Black Templars list. It has a pretty incredible amount of CC power stuffed into 3 separate tough-as-nails units. The idea would be to hopefully sync up my assaults to make the most of Helbrecht's "hatred and fleet for a turn" ability, but even without hatred these units are each capable of besting just about anything in CC. HQ: Helbrecht - 180 Captain w/ Shield Eternal, Thunder Hammer, Artificer Armor, Bike - 210 Command Squad w/ bikes, Apothecary w/ Power Axe, Company Champion w/ Power Sword, Power Axe, Grav Gun x2 - 225 Elites: Assault Terminators w/ TH/SS x4, Sergeant w/ Lightning Claws - 220 - Land Raider - 250 Troops: Crusader Squad (Sword Brethren w/ Power Fist, 9 initiates, 5 neophytes) w/ Power Axe, Melta Gun - 250 - Dedicated Land Raider Crusader w/ Multi-Melta - 260 Bikers x5 w/ Grav Gun x2, Veteren Sergeant w/ Combi-Grav - 155 Crusader Squad (5 initiates) w/ Plasma Gun, Missile Launcher - 100 Obviously, I'm lacking any sort of AA support, which has me pretty nervous. Any suggestions for how to fit in a stalker/hunter or two would be greatly appreciated. I'm considering dropping a biker, 3 neophytes, the meltagun and one power axe from the command squad to fit in a Stalker.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2013/09/12 17:04:18
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 14:31:27
Subject: 1850 Competitive Black Templars list
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Here's a second attempt to try to address some of the issues with the first list. I can't decide if this is better or worse. Can anyone provide some feedback? HQ Helbrecht - 180 Chapter Master w/ Shield Eternal, Thunder Hammer, Artificer Armor, Bike - 250 Troops: Crusader Squad (10 Initiates, 5 Neophytes) w/ BP/CCW's, Power Axe, Flamer, Sword Bretheren w/ Power Fist - 245 - Dedicated Land Raider Crusader w/ Multi Melta and Extra Armor- 270 Bikers x5 w/ Grav Gun x2, Sergeant w/ Combi-Grav - 145 Bikers x5 w/ Flamer x2, Sergeant w/ Power Axe - 130 Elites: Assault Terminators w/ TH/SS x4, Sergeant w/ Lightning Claws - 220 - Dedicated Land Raider w/ Extra Armor - 260 Heavy Support: Stalker - 75 Stalker - 75 TOTAL: 1850
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/13 14:35:14
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 15:23:11
Subject: 1850 Competitive Black Templars list
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Fresh-Faced New User
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can you take Helbrecht and a chapter master??
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 15:53:29
Subject: 1850 Competitive Black Templars list
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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I can't see anything that says you can't, although I know it doesn't make a whole lot of sense fluff-wise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 17:07:31
Subject: Re:1850 Competitive Black Templars list
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Guarding Guardian
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Was the requirement to take the Emperor's Champion removed from the latest codex? I haven't picked up the most recent yet, but the previous dex required the emperor's champion above a certain point level.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 18:28:57
Subject: 1850 Competitive Black Templars list
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Yes, it was removed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 18:42:18
Subject: 1850 Competitive Black Templars list
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Fresh-Faced New User
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not competitive at all im afraid terrible in 6th edition
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 20:04:14
Subject: 1850 Competitive Black Templars list
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 20:10:21
Subject: 1850 Competitive Black Templars list
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Boosting Ultramarine Biker
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Insufficient anti air, your land raiders will get lifted turn one, helbrecht is gak, you've only three troop choices and why would you make your terminator sergeant unable to beat other terminators? Your chapter master load out is pretty terrifying but your list is unfluffy, emperors champions are a rather cheap solid hq
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/13 21:02:31
Subject: 1850 Competitive Black Templars list
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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I'm not a fan of the emperor's champion. 140 pts. for a 2 wound model with only 3 attacks and a 4+ invuln doesn't sound good to me. Helbrecht is incredible for any assault-based list thanks to fleet/hatred and furious charge for a turn (though I know the internet collective thinks "assault is dead").
The terminator sergeant has claws to make him better in most challenges. If he ends up in a challenge with a TH/SS terminator somehow, he has a chance of winning by striking first, rerolling misses, rerolling wounds and having rending. Also, BS about the land raiders. I've got a bad matchup against DE for certain, but even against DE they're rarely going to get "lifted turn one."
And the only thing unfluffy about my list is two chapter masters, which could pretty easily be justified by saying the biker is an emperor's champion that happens to use a hammer instead of a sword.
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