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Hi dakka,

I have been wondering if there are any space marine tanks around the size of a baneblade but not a baneblade. The reason I don't want that is because it's an imperial guard vehicle and thats not my army. Suggestions/links would be wonderful.

Forge World's been making some big Horus Heresy Space Marine Legion tanks, if that helps any.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/

More specifically:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Legion_Vehicles

They've also made some alternatively-equipped Predators and Land Raiders more specifically designed for 40k rules-wise.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Tanks?filter_reset=1

Nothing there bigger than a Land Raider, sadly.

But, from what I remember, Space Marines generally don't use huge tanks in the 41st millennium, because they prefer mobility and surgical strikes, leaving the task of holding the line to the Imperial Guard.

 Pouncey wrote:
Forge World's been making some big Horus Heresy Space Marine Legion tanks, if that helps any.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/

More specifically:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Legion_Vehicles

They've also made some alternatively-equipped Predators and Land Raiders more specifically designed for 40k rules-wise.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Tanks?filter_reset=1

Nothing there bigger than a Land Raider, sadly.

But, from what I remember, Space Marines generally don't use huge tanks in the 41st millennium, because they prefer mobility and surgical strikes, leaving the task of holding the line to the Imperial Guard.

Are the legion glaive style vehicles big? They look like the size of a predator on my screen.

 ivangterrace wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Forge World's been making some big Horus Heresy Space Marine Legion tanks, if that helps any.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/

More specifically:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Legion_Vehicles

They've also made some alternatively-equipped Predators and Land Raiders more specifically designed for 40k rules-wise.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Tanks?filter_reset=1

Nothing there bigger than a Land Raider, sadly.

But, from what I remember, Space Marines generally don't use huge tanks in the 41st millennium, because they prefer mobility and surgical strikes, leaving the task of holding the line to the Imperial Guard.

Are the legion glaive style vehicles big? They look like the size of a predator on my screen.

I don't own one, so I don't know for sure, but judging by their price, I'd say they're significantly bigger than a Land Raider.. Also, they're basically ancient Space Marine versions of the Baneblade.

However, their only rules are for the Horus Heresy game, not for standard WH40k or its expansions. I've heard, but don't know for sure, that there's a major difference in rules or power levels or something between the two systems that makes the rulesets incompatible or very unenjoyable. So you probably won't be able to field it easily in normal games of WH40k or even Apocalypse games.


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However, you could probably modify the model with the right weapons to use it as a Baneblade or one of the Baneblade variants.

Errrrm... I've said before in the last 12 hours...

Fellblade.

Two words: Fell Blade.

There's your space marine superheavy.

Edit: NINJAS!

Guys, there's also the Glaive. Same chassis as the Fellblade, different weapon.

How do horus heresy and 40k differ ruleswise?

 ivangterrace wrote:
How do horus heresy and 40k differ ruleswise?

30k has a lord of war slot for high points games that let you take one primarch or superheavy at 2500 points or so.

Also the legion list is much like the Eldar in that each squad only does one thing.

Your basic squad can only come in ten or more and may only have bolters, but the special weapon squad gets special weapons for everyone, no mixing and matching though.

This makes for a list that's laughably bad at low points and mediocre at mid point games but shines in 2k plus games.


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Oh and a warning, the legion list DOES NOT have ATSKNF so prepare to get swept and pinned.

 Pouncey wrote:
I don't own one, so I don't know for sure, but judging by their price, I'd say they're significantly bigger than a Land Raider.. Also, they're basically ancient Space Marine versions of the Baneblade.

Yes, they are as big as a Baneblade.

However, their only rules are for the Horus Heresy game, not for standard WH40k or its expansions. I've heard, but don't know for sure, that there's a major difference in rules or power levels or something between the two systems that makes the rulesets incompatible or very unenjoyable. So you probably won't be able to field it easily in normal games of WH40k or even Apocalypse games.

There is a MINOR difference in rules and power level.

This are the experimental rules of the Legion Glaive: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/g/Glaive.pdf

Anything past Land Raiders would be a Warhound Titan for me ... those are our super-heavies.

All this talk of Fellblades and no-one linked this?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/326420.page

 Flinty wrote:
All this talk of Fellblades and no-one linked this?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/326420.page

I built one of those! Sitting on my painting desk... it's BIG. And because no one posted an image that doesn't require a link...



Opps! Wrong tank. This one maybe?



Nah, it's this one:

 Tamwulf wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
All this talk of Fellblades and no-one linked this?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/326420.page

I built one of those! Sitting on my painting desk... it's BIG. And because no one posted an image that doesn't require a link...

I was taught that hotlinking is bad, and I can't be bothered to upload stuff to my photobucket for a forum post. : /

 ivangterrace wrote:
Hi dakka,

I have been wondering if there are any space marine tanks around the size of a baneblade but not a baneblade. The reason I don't want that is because it's an imperial guard vehicle and thats not my army. Suggestions/links would be wonderful.

I think the Fellblade ranks as this.

Space Marines have the Fellblade/Glaive/etc models, the same size as the IG Baneblade. Fluff-wise however, these are really Legiones Astartes Heresy era "30k" vehicles, hence why on the FW site why they're available under the "Horus Heresy" section and in the HH books and not under the generic "Space Marine" section and IIRC aren't in the Apocalypse IA books, though the latter may only apply to the Glaive. Use by "modern" 40k chapters would be almost nonexistent if at all.

Not in 40k they don't. Back in the HH days they had quite a few though.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
All this talk of Fellblades and no-one linked this?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/326420.page

I built one of those! Sitting on my painting desk... it's BIG. And because no one posted an image that doesn't require a link...

I was taught that hotlinking is bad, and I can't be bothered to upload stuff to my photobucket for a forum post. : /

Um, host the pic here (dakka gallery)

 Lobukia wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
All this talk of Fellblades and no-one linked this?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/326420.page

I built one of those! Sitting on my painting desk... it's BIG. And because no one posted an image that doesn't require a link...

I was taught that hotlinking is bad, and I can't be bothered to upload stuff to my photobucket for a forum post. : /

Um, host the pic here (dakka gallery)

I thought the Dakka gallery was for stuff we did ourselves...

daisho wrote:
Anything past Land Raiders would be a Warhound Titan for me ... those are our super-heavies.

Warhound Titans are manned by the Adeptus Mechanicus personnel (Collegia Titanica, specifically), not Space Marines.

However, in an apocalypse game, the most likely place you'd have super heavies, running an IG Super Heavy or an Adeptus Mechanicus Titan with your space marines is no problem and is quite fluffy.

In an 40k apocalypse game, I'd have no problems letting you run a space marine super heavy from one of the Horus Heresy books.

Pouncey wrote:
But, from what I remember, Space Marines generally don't use huge tanks in the 41st millennium, because they prefer mobility and surgical strikes,

Somebody should definitely remind Games Workshop about this, since they forgot and inflicted Centurions on the Space Marines, lol.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Pouncey wrote:
But, from what I remember, Space Marines generally don't use huge tanks in the 41st millennium, because they prefer mobility and surgical strikes,

Somebody should definitely remind Games Workshop about this, since they forgot and inflicted Centurions on the Space Marines, lol.

:: twitch ::

Thanks. Thanks for making that connection. Somehow I hadn't made it myself. Now I won't be able to enjoy my planned model of my Kurifox in Centurion armor as much, since I'll always be remembering that particular fluff conflict. Lore conflicts tend to tear me apart when it comes to stuff I want to use for other reasons. Thanks.

The Centurions are awful on every possible level. First, and most egregiously, they are just irredeemably ugly. There are ways to improve almost every one of the bad models in the Space Marine army list. The Stormturkeys (both of them) can be improved. Even the Marines themselves can be improved.

There's nothing you can do with the Centurion that will make that model anything better than "Less Awful". Maybe one day somebody will prove me wrong, but I won't be waiting with baited breath, lol.

But the other big crime is that they're just ridiculously un-SpaceMariney. It serves no purpose for a Space Marine chapter. It's big and slow, but carries no weaponry that can't already just be carried by a Space Marine, or a Dreadnought*. It's unfathomable as an innovation, because there's no role for it to fill. Why would the Space Marines have innovated a piece of wargear that doesn't do anything they can't already do? It's too big and bulky to be good for the things you use Terminators for, too slow for anything you would use regular Marines for, and can't bring to bear the kind of firepower that a Dreadnought can. It's essentially a half measure for a bunch of different tasks.


*Don't mention the grav cannon. The grav cannon is Centurion-only so that GW can drive sales of the new shiny models, not because there's nothing in the fluff that would prevent them from slapping the Cannon and Amp combo onto a Dreadnought, or even any good reason why a Marine couldn't carry one himself.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
The Centurions are awful on every possible level. First, and most egregiously, they are just irredeemably ugly. There are ways to improve almost every one of the bad models in the Space Marine army list. The Stormturkeys (both of them) can be improved. Even the Marines themselves can be improved.

There's nothing you can do with the Centurion that will make that model anything better than "Less Awful". Maybe one day somebody will prove me wrong, but I won't be waiting with baited breath, lol.

But the other big crime is that they're just ridiculously un-SpaceMariney. It serves no purpose for a Space Marine chapter. It's big and slow, but carries no weaponry that can't already just be carried by a Space Marine, or a Dreadnought*. It's unfathomable as an innovation, because there's no role for it to fill. Why would the Space Marines have innovated a piece of wargear that doesn't do anything they can't already do? It's too big and bulky to be good for the things you use Terminators for, too slow for anything you would use regular Marines for, and can't bring to bear the kind of firepower that a Dreadnought can. It's essentially a half measure for a bunch of different tasks.


*Don't mention the grav cannon. The grav cannon is Centurion-only so that GW can drive sales of the new shiny models, not because there's nothing in the fluff that would prevent them from slapping the Cannon and Amp combo onto a Dreadnought, or even any good reason why a Marine couldn't carry one himself.

Well, thanks for saving me over a hundred dollars.

I wasn't particularly interested in the grav cannons. I know they do great against heavily armored infantry, but... my "metagame" is highly limited... to one person... who plays Imperial Guard... and before that played Orks. Though she did use Meganobz often enough... But that hardly warrants a presumably high-priced squad that'll probably obliterate them in the first volley and then whiff a lot against a gakton of Boyz and Lootas.

However, I do like the new Sternguard kit, maybe I'll make a Sternguard Sergeant of my snugglefox. He likes ranged combat. ^^

 Pouncey wrote:

However, I do like the new Sternguard kit,

The sternguard kit is a thing of beauty. Lots of bling to kit-bash for HQ models, plenty of combi-guns, and so on. Great kit!

 Vaktathi wrote:
Fluff-wise however, these are really Legiones Astartes Heresy era "30k" vehicles, hence why on the FW site why they're available under the "Horus Heresy" section and in the HH books and not under the generic "Space Marine" section and IIRC aren't in the Apocalypse IA books

The Fellblade is in the new IA:Apocalypse book with rules for "standard" 40k Apocalypse games, with no real changes (pintle storm bolter instead of twin-linked bolter maybe?). I expect the Glaive will get similar treatment once it gets official rules instead of just the experimental ones.

And of course all the non-superheavy 30k vehicles have 40k rules.

Fellblades are literally space marine baneblades. there is a rather nice set of 3rd party turrets/etc made by a dakka user to make your own fellblades using the banablade as a base.

Linky to his ebay store:
http://stores.ebay.com/Blood-and-Skulls-Industry

 Peregrine wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Fluff-wise however, these are really Legiones Astartes Heresy era "30k" vehicles, hence why on the FW site why they're available under the "Horus Heresy" section and in the HH books and not under the generic "Space Marine" section and IIRC aren't in the Apocalypse IA books

The Fellblade is in the new IA:Apocalypse book with rules for "standard" 40k Apocalypse games, with no real changes (pintle storm bolter instead of twin-linked bolter maybe?). I expect the Glaive will get similar treatment once it gets official rules instead of just the experimental ones.

And of course all the non-superheavy 30k vehicles have 40k rules.

I remember where I found that bit

via Forgeworld from Master of Sanctity on Faeit 212
The Legion Glaive is not featured in the forthcoming IA Apocalypse book as it was decided that this vehicle was ideally for use in Horus Heresy games rather than 40k or normal Apocalypse games. However, as the rules for the Glaive are available to download from the link below, you can use these rules in Apocalypse if you wish although we would recommend consulting your opponents first."

Not that it'd be particularly overpowered, but it appears that the FW stance is that at least the Glaive is not a 41st millenium vehicle.

Hey, um, while we were on the topic of stuff that doesn't make sense fluff-wise...

How come Necron gauss weapons are some sort of energy weapon?

Is it a case of GW designers not knowing what a gauss gun is?

 Pouncey wrote:
Hey, um, while we were on the topic of stuff that doesn't make sense fluff-wise...

How come Necron gauss weapons are some sort of energy weapon?

Is it a case of GW designers not knowing what a gauss gun is?

The name sounds kind of cool and GW felt that 50s disintegration guns would be cooler than giving the necrons magnetically accelerated projectile weapons.