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Take a break gather your thoughts.

I had the same thing happen to me, my rolls where very bad 1-2 where all i ever rolled.

I gave up and sold all my stuff and moved onto airsoft. I even played MTG for some time. I learned how to look at things differently.

Some times you are doing to much at once and skipping over things in a hurry . Take your time (this isnt a race) cut down on the side armys sell them off to focus on one. Right now i have four armys. I have had no time to play either of them because im not focused on one.

Price wise, it's not cheap learn to buy second hand. If you can paint offer it up and suggest that you take trades as payment. Your going to have to hustle to keep the mini train moving.

Best bet, take a break and come back to it when you feel ready.

 chromedog wrote:
I lose more games than I win.

The trick is not minding. Separate your ego from the need to win.
Sure, winning is nice, but it should be a bonus to a good game, not a replacement for one.
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QFT.

A good gaming buddy of mine once said "The objective is to win, the goal is to have fun."

If you can have fun even when you lose, you still win.

As for price hikes - honestly, they affect most people i'd imagine. There's the 2nd hand market (b-town, swap shop here, ebay) as a solution, or there's good ol' dialing back the gamer ADD and really, really planning out purchases for brand new purchases.

-- Haight

Eh, you could just sit it out for a while like I'm doing.

I get my IG fix by playing historicals (not quite the same, but close enough for me) and satisfy my orky side by converting and modeling stuff. Might start playing Kill team since it's a heck of a lot cheaper to get into and doesn't seem to be quite as crazy as standard 40k has gotten.

It's just that 40k really isn't that much fun for me anymore. I sold off the stuff I knew I didn't want to keep and put the rest in a box in the closet, just in case a new codex or something makes the game more fun for me again.

I would suggest trying new game systems and finding one that works better for you, to give you a break. Playing any one system too much will bound to make you get tired of it, so maybe mixing it up a bit will help you enjoy 40k more. There's a staggering amount of systems out there, and you would be surprised at how many have established playerbases. Stuff like Flames of War, Bolt Action, X Wing, Warmachine, Maulifaux, Infinity, Drop Zone Commander, and plenty others have player bases, or can be started fairly easily if you're willing to run demos and start the community yourself.

I agree that if you narrow down the number of armies you have, and reduce the points value of the games you play, you'll be able to mitigate financial problems. Especially if you are patient and use eBay. Remember, for how expensive warmahordes or 40k is, it's still cheaper than an awful lot of other "adult" hobbies out there like drinking or smoking, or working on cars, or airsoft (or a LOT of other stuff. Imagine taking up yachting).

For the luck problem, I can certainly commiserate having an endless, well-documented bad luck streak over hundreds of games of 40k. In the end, the only thing you can do is to get nicer dice that roll actually randomly. Like the kind casinos use, for example. Cheap dice do have biases, and it's usually towards 1, given the relative amount of material that 6's take out.

Otherwise, you just sort of have to tough it out and play more conservatively. There is always room to improve player skill, but the only way that you actually increase player skill in games with a random element at its core, whether malifaux/MTG cards or warmahordes/40k dice is to learn how to play the odds better.

Once you become proficient at that, then yeah, you're playing dice games and card games. Of course luck determines who wins. If you don't like the idea that bad luck will lose you games, then don't play games based around random number generators, like chess or go.

 Haight wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
I lose more games than I win.

The trick is not minding. Separate your ego from the need to win.
Sure, winning is nice, but it should be a bonus to a good game, not a replacement for one.
.

QFT.

A good gaming buddy of mine once said "The objective is to win, the goal is to have fun."

If you can have fun even when you lose, you still win.

As for price hikes - honestly, they affect most people i'd imagine. There's the 2nd hand market (b-town, swap shop here, ebay) as a solution, or there's good ol' dialing back the gamer ADD and really, really planning out purchases for brand new purchases.

-- Haight

Hell - the games that I brag up the most in my group?

They're the games that I lost!

One of my all time favorite games of Mordheim was my Undead against the Orcs that were run by one of my students! She sent my warband running home whimpering!

She spent the first two turns running her goblin archers into the best elevated cover (A ruined cathedral) and the spent the next four raining death upon the undead.

It was beautiful!

My girlfriend has beaten my Kings of War dwarfs six times so far - each victory hard fought and well won.

Learn to enjoy when you are out maneuvered. Brag of how you were beaten.

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Haight wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
I lose more games than I win.

The trick is not minding. Separate your ego from the need to win.
Sure, winning is nice, but it should be a bonus to a good game, not a replacement for one.
.

QFT.

A good gaming buddy of mine once said "The objective is to win, the goal is to have fun."

If you can have fun even when you lose, you still win.

As for price hikes - honestly, they affect most people i'd imagine. There's the 2nd hand market (b-town, swap shop here, ebay) as a solution, or there's good ol' dialing back the gamer ADD and really, really planning out purchases for brand new purchases.

-- Haight

Hell - the games that I brag up the most in my group?

They're the games that I lost!

One of my all time favorite games of Mordheim was my Undead against the Orcs that were run by one of my students! She sent my warband running home whimpering!

She spent the first two turns running her goblin archers into the best elevated cover (A ruined cathedral) and the spent the next four raining death upon the undead.

It was beautiful!

My girlfriend has beaten my Kings of War dwarfs six times so far - each victory hard fought and well won.

Learn to enjoy when you are out maneuvered. Brag of how you were beaten.

The Auld Grump

Thanks, i will

It is possible that dice have a defect (like a point of higher density or an air pocket) so if you absolutely want to rule that out, get a new set of dice. The odds are though, that's it's entirely a matter of interpretation and confirmation bias. Where you are expecting bad dice rolls and thus remember them more than the rest of the rolls.

I don't really like casino dice because of their sharper edges damaging surfaces they roll on. So if you do get some, you may want to make or buy some sort of rolling container or dice tower. They're also expensive so if you play a buckets of dice game like 40k, that's a lot of money.

Since we know that "luck" isn't a real thing, we can manipulate brains regarding it. Casinos rely on this. So get yourself some dice that fit a pattern or do some sort of ritual that makes no sense. Like if you get some blue dice for Cygnar and tell youself they're appropriate and therefore will roll average. Or smash one of the dice to teach them a lesson. Even if you know this is all bull****, on some level it will help your brain let go of your confirmation bias and perception of your bad luck.

Sometimes people just can't let go of notions they know are nonsense, and its okay to play along in order to do so. Especially if it'll help save a hobby that you enjoy. And it might feel good to smash one of the offending dice.

 frozenwastes wrote:
It is possible that dice have a defect (like a point of higher density or an air pocket) so if you absolutely want to rule that out, get a new set of dice. The odds are though, that's it's entirely a matter of interpretation and confirmation bias. Where you are expecting bad dice rolls and thus remember them more than the rest of the rolls.

I don't really like casino dice because of their sharper edges damaging surfaces they roll on. So if you do get some, you may want to make or buy some sort of rolling container or dice tower. They're also expensive so if you play a buckets of dice game like 40k, that's a lot of money.

Since we know that "luck" isn't a real thing, we can manipulate brains regarding it. Casinos rely on this. So get yourself some dice that fit a pattern or do some sort of ritual that makes no sense. Like if you get some blue dice for Cygnar and tell youself they're appropriate and therefore will roll average. Or smash one of the dice to teach them a lesson. Even if you know this is all bull****, on some level it will help your brain let go of your confirmation bias and perception of your bad luck.

Sometimes people just can't let go of notions they know are nonsense, and its okay to play along in order to do so. Especially if it'll help save a hobby that you enjoy. And it might feel good to smash one of the offending dice.

Now this idea I like

 SheSpits wrote:
Best bet, take a break and come back to it when you feel ready.

This is good advice too. At the tail end of 3rd edition 40k, my friend and I just lost interest in playing. We ended up having a 5 year break, missed all of 4th, and got back in mid 5th edition. It was a combination of things - i got a full time job, he also started uni while I had just finished software development, and we'd moved pretty far from each other. Coupled with getting more into online gaming, 40k just fell aside.

5 years later, I decided to have a gander at GW's website and was blown away by the new Tyranids and got that gaming itch back. He got back in as well and we've even branched out of GW wargaming.

Sometimes all you need is a break to give you some perspective on what you want to do.

I stopped worry about price as much and more about quality, you can have a massive 3000 point army and be awesome, but make sure it's what you want. I've got a couple armies at 2000 and I just love painting them. I expand every now and then. I used to play in tourneys when I was younger, and I had to have the right unit, or a new army, and so on. The costs got ridiculous! I just stick with what I like now, I'll still play a tournament every now and then but what saved me was stopping caring about winning and having the best or newest. I wore myself out fast trying to keep up and actually quit, sold three armies and swore off the game. It's been 8 years since then, and this year I got back. I've got a new army, and my friend actually just gave me back most of the army I had sold him since he was playing something new!

As for dice there are a couple things I've done to make myself seem less influenced by luck in my mind. One was a dice tower, basically just take for 12" pieces of plywood, slap them on top of a bordered bottom to make an L shape, cut out a hole into the base of the tower into the base. Place smaller pieces of ply inside said tower at opposite angles like a / \ / \ pattern, Generally easy during construction not after , and that way you know they are completely random as they rolldown each said slat and pop out.

The second thing you can do is perfrom the Karmic Dice Cleansing Empowerment Ritual, First obtain the tears of a virgin sea horse, coming with the flowing hair of a silver fox, wash the dice for 2 days and 1 night over the course of a full moon. After this, put the dice inside a dark box made from the redwood tree, place inside the box the tooth of a badger, the claw of an eagle, and the foot a rabbit. Leave for 2 months. After this your dice shall be STRONG, FIERCE, and LUCKY.

Dice wise, i would inspect them for cracks and any damage to the edges. If you have a flat "cube" dice, damage to the lines can hamper rolls. Rounded out cube dice last a little longer. If you roll onto tables that are pretty rough a lot, id inspect your dice for damage.

It's perfectly normal to get bored with a hobby or to find that its getting some dull edges to it. Sometimes starting something new within the hobby helps, a new army or a new miniatures line; but sometimes you have to consider something utterly new.

That doesn't mean you have to stop your first hobby, it just means that you introduce something new into your life that can help stimulate your interest. Might be the new hobby takes over and for a while you take a break - your armies get put into boxes and wait around abit and later on you can break them out again when the bug bites again (it nearly always does so unless serious financial concerns are present I'd always suggest never selling one hobby to get into a new one - because it will always be more costly to get back in again later).


On the Dice front - honour the Dice Gods - worship the Dice Gods! Also remember that sometimes its a lot easier to focus on your bad rolls and overlook your good rolls and normal rolls.

Its the Law of Attraction.

Focus on rolling well. Instead of saying in your mind "Dont roll ones..." Say in your mind "All Sixes"

Try it bro...

I know it sounds stupid...but just try it.

OP: The hobby is not Games Workshop. GW are a part of "the hobby". They are not it all. I know this is mainly a GW forum but seriously people need to not lump what is quite a good hobby all into GW.

There are hundreds of alternative games out there that make up "The Hobby" try having a look around. If you are set on GW then buy second hand, buy from ebay, trade etc.

I have armies for 3 GW forces, 4 Warmachine forces and 2 dropzone commander forces. Some bits bought new but mostly traded or bought second hand. The hobby is cheap if you are actually willing to look for alternatives or deals and not be constantly under the thumb of GW which many seem to still be.

1. Take stock of what you own, sell off what you can to complete the armies you enjoy most. Enjoy having a completed army for a time, works wonders for your wallet.

2. Purchase a few cubes of new dice. Line up all your old dice in front of your new ones. Destroy your old dice in as many terrible, horrible, painful ways as possible. Making sure to force your new die to watch each and every horrible death. If in the future any of your "new" dice appear to have forgotten this lesson. Line up the rest of your old dice and make an example of the offending die. Give your dice nightmares, never let them forget them.

Motograter wrote:OP: The hobby is not Games Workshop. GW are a part of "the hobby". They are not it all. I know this is mainly a GW forum but seriously people need to not lump what is quite a good hobby all into GW.

There are hundreds of alternative games out there that make up "The Hobby" try having a look around. If you are set on GW then buy second hand, buy from ebay, trade etc.

I have armies for 3 GW forces, 4 Warmachine forces and 2 dropzone commander forces. Some bits bought new but mostly traded or bought second hand. The hobby is cheap if you are actually willing to look for alternatives or deals and not be constantly under the thumb of GW which many seem to still be.

I do play alternative games to GW stuff, having 1 Warmachine army, 3/4 Darkage armys(one is tourney level, and is split in 2 to be on par with the others) a started dropzone force (but my supplier closed down) and several others.

dracpanzer wrote:2. Purchase a few cubes of new dice. Line up all your old dice in front of your new ones. Destroy your old dice in as many terrible, horrible, painful ways as possible. Making sure to force your new die to watch each and every horrible death. If in the future any of your "new" dice appear to have forgotten this lesson. Line up the rest of your old dice and make an example of the offending die. Give your dice nightmares, never let them forget them.

Now this I like I may just have to do this, and teach my dice a lesson

FarseerAndyMan wrote:

Its the Law of Attraction.

Focus on rolling well. Instead of saying in your mind "Dont roll ones..." Say in your mind "All Sixes"

Try it bro...

I know it sounds stupid...but just try it.

I will. And it dosnt sound stupid, I have utilised similar methods myself.

Bobaram wrote:I stopped worry about price as much and more about quality, you can have a massive 3000 point army and be awesome, but make sure it's what you want. I've got a couple armies at 2000 and I just love painting them. I expand every now and then. I used to play in tourneys when I was younger, and I had to have the right unit, or a new army, and so on. The costs got ridiculous! I just stick with what I like now, I'll still play a tournament every now and then but what saved me was stopping caring about winning and having the best or newest. I wore myself out fast trying to keep up and actually quit, sold three armies and swore off the game. It's been 8 years since then, and this year I got back. I've got a new army, and my friend actually just gave me back most of the army I had sold him since he was playing something new!

As for dice there are a couple things I've done to make myself seem less influenced by luck in my mind. One was a dice tower, basically just take for 12" pieces of plywood, slap them on top of a bordered bottom to make an L shape, cut out a hole into the base of the tower into the base. Place smaller pieces of ply inside said tower at opposite angles like a / \ / \ pattern, Generally easy during construction not after , and that way you know they are completely random as they rolldown each said slat and pop out.

The second thing you can do is perfrom the Karmic Dice Cleansing Empowerment Ritual, First obtain the tears of a virgin sea horse, coming with the flowing hair of a silver fox, wash the dice for 2 days and 1 night over the course of a full moon. After this, put the dice inside a dark box made from the redwood tree, place inside the box the tooth of a badger, the claw of an eagle, and the foot a rabbit. Leave for 2 months. After this your dice shall be STRONG, FIERCE, and LUCKY.

Thank for this, I will try a tower.
And its time to break out my hunting gear-ive got a silver fox to catch

My Pleasure

Switch to different games, I have and it is possibly one of the best decisions I have made hobby-wise. There are loads of games that are far superior to GW games.

Take a break.
Youmight have a form of "burn out".

I did it for 5 years back in the 90s. Admittedly, 2nd ed 40k had popped and It wasn't the game I liked much anymore - and between my work and social life, I had no time left for gaming.
I still caught up with my gaming mates, and kept up on things, but my mandollies and dice didn't hit the table for 3 years.

If and/or when you come back, you will feel refreshed and have a second wind.

You should continue the hobby