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2013/09/22 23:47:17
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
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So when Sgt Chronus is added to a Stalker tank and the tank's Icarus Storm Cannon splits its fire in Servo mode is their anything that would prevent those shots from using Chronus' BS5? ie The servo guidelines do not necessarily over ride Chronus special rules -- correct?
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2013/09/22 23:50:50
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Did you miss this part?
"All shots fired using the Servo-Tracking special rule are made at BS2."
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2013/09/22 23:51:20
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Kinda hard, this one. You could also say that Chronos' rule doesn't necessarily override the Storm Cannon rules.
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2013/09/22 23:55:17
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
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Pg 110 "The tank uses Chronus' Ballistic Skill of 5."
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2013/09/23 00:02:51
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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And using the crews normal BS is 4.
This still doesn't help when the rule says you're using BS2 instead of the crews BS.
Definitely doesn't help with Snap Shots.
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2013/09/23 00:04:04
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Otiose in a Niche
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Seems it would be a roll off no?
1-3 BS2
4-6 BS5
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2013/09/23 00:08:01
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Nope. YMDC rule - No TMIR.
Chronus' tank has BS5. Using the weapon does not use the tank's BS - it is a set BS of 2.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/09/23 00:12:48
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Think he's referring to the roll-off between two set modifiers rather than TMIR?
Chronus' tank has BS5. Using the weapon does not use the tank's BS - it is a set BS of 2.
Totally agree with this though, it doesn't matter what the BS of the tank is.
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2013/09/23 00:15:21
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
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What is TMIR?
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2013/09/23 00:15:37
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 grendel083 wrote:Think he's referring to the roll-off between two set modifiers rather than TMIR?
Chronus' tank has BS5. Using the weapon does not use the tank's BS - it is a set BS of 2.
Totally agree with this though, it doesn't matter what the BS of the tank is.
Roll-off is TMIR.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/09/23 00:18:12
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
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What does TMIR stand for?
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2013/09/23 00:19:30
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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The most important rule.
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2013/09/23 00:20:25
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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2013/09/23 00:20:40
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Daring Dark Eldar Raider Rider
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2013/09/23 00:22:50
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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I was going off this FAQ:
Q: Does the Initiative 10 imposed by the Timeflow Stabiliser take precedence over other set value modifiers such as Necron W hip Coils? (p106)
A: No, randomly determine which effect takes precedence each turn.
Two competing set modifiers, roll-off each turn.
If he was assuming Chronos' BS was a set modifier, as is the Servo-Tracking, then would that not be a roll-off?
Not that it matters much anyway.
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2013/09/23 02:43:38
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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I don't think that is a good comparison, because both are effects that 'set the initiative to X'.
Servo-Tracking is more like: "I don't care about your Ballistic Skill, you shoot at BS2!".
It would be like having Unwieldy while standing close to a Timeflow Stabiliser; no matter what your Initiative is, due to Unwieldy your attacks will always be on I1.
Hell no.
I'm not giving someone a 50% chance to destroy TWO fliers when the rules are so clear on it.
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2013/09/23 02:47:41
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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My interpretation is the tanks stat of BS 4 is increased to 5, the Servo Tracking rule still drops it to BS 2 for the split fire.
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2013/09/23 08:32:58
Subject: Re:Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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I'm in the BS2 camp. Chronus increases the tank's BS to 5. However, those shots are then taken as BS2, overriding the tank's own BS. In my mind it's similar to how Snap Shots work out.
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2013/09/23 14:51:46
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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There is no camps to be in.
Chronus alters the tanks BS, Servo tracking makes the shots at BS2.
The shots are made at BS2 because they are not effected by the tanks modified BS
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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2013/09/23 22:55:35
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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 Kommissar Kel wrote:There is no camps to be in.
Chronus alters the tanks BS, Servo tracking makes the shots at BS2.
The shots are made at BS2 because they are not effected by the tanks modified BS
Or to put even more simply, weapons with Servo-tracking don't use the tank's BS.
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2013/09/23 23:10:57
Subject: Sgt Chronus using Icarus Stormcannon Array -- BS5?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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Or to be correct: Profiles with Servo-tracking don't use the tank's BS. 
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