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Despite that andrewm9 they have actual rules for Miracles which they can use as long as they keep their corruption down (which isn't TOO hard for the Sisters unless the GM wants to gank them with a lot of things that force feed you corruption).

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I always wonder why Sisters are the only army we never seem to be allowed to be optimistic about. Things have never been half as bad as the internet claims they will be and yet we can't show any positive signs.

To quote someone on /tg/:

With the new information released this pic just keeps getting better.

andrewm9 wrote:
Damn thats a bit dramatic.I have a copy of that book and its not really like that. Only the highest end faith talents are that dramatic in effect. The rest are awesome but fairly mild. They were no more magical than the Acts of Faith found in Codex Witch Hunters from which most of them took their names.

That's nice to hear. I would like to play Dark Heresy one of these days, and I'd enjoy it as long as the Sisters were mostly portrayed right.

andrewm9 wrote:
Those 'lasers' were holy light and yes it would a miracle, but that's very similar to daemonifuge where they burned. the daemon with their light.

Eh, but that's from BL. And correct me if I'm wrong (haven't actually read it), but wasn't that done by the Sisters in the Screaming Cage? They were under a rather special circumstance, to be fair.

 AlexHolker wrote:
No, willpower would be Feel No Pain - something that lets you endure little attacks but not things that will blow your head off. Shield of Faith is the opposite - no improvement against attrition but lets you no-sell anti-tank weaponry.

Then obviously shield of faith is better than FNP. The description for shield of faith seems to support that it's a matter of willpower, saying "...such is the power of their belief that the Emperor will protect them..." (italics mine).

And, to be fair, we also have Yarrick being able to get up from nearly dying over and over again, and I don't think that's he's magical. Things can be a little over the top sometimes. Especially with one of the most over the top armies in the game.

And to pre-empt the WAAAGH psychic power counter-point, he can still do it if Orks aren't around, I think.

Is Yarrick ever away from orks ?
And so it seems Sister do have the same kind of magical belief power as orks .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Is Yarrick ever away from orks ?
And so it seems Sister do have the same kind of magical belief power as orks .

Guess it's time we start burning witches and heretics at the stake again.

 Troike wrote:

Then obviously shield of faith is better than FNP. The description for shield of faith seems to support that it's a matter of willpower, saying "...such is the power of their belief that the Emperor will protect them..." (italics mine).

I assumed shield of faith was a miracle. As in, an ACTUAL miracle. You know, impossible.

You take a direct hit from a missle. You live. If that's not miraculous, what is?

Far as I can tell, Sisters' faith in general is supposed to be "Um... that's supposed to be impossible". Cause faith is supposed to be all mysterious and strange like that. There isn't supposed to be any science behind it. Not even warp-science like Tzeentch invulnerable save shenanigans. At least in that case you can assume Tzeentch did something wild and crazy for that invulnerable save, but the whole point of faith being faith is that it leaves everyone else scratching their heads saying "What the feth just happened?" while the sisters proclaim "The emperor protected me!"

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Troike wrote:

Then obviously shield of faith is better than FNP. The description for shield of faith seems to support that it's a matter of willpower, saying "...such is the power of their belief that the Emperor will protect them..." (italics mine).

I assumed shield of faith was a miracle. As in, an ACTUAL miracle. You know, impossible.

You take a direct hit from a missle. You live. If that's not miraculous, what is?

Far as I can tell, Sisters' faith in general is supposed to be "Um... that's supposed to be impossible". Cause faith is supposed to be all mysterious and strange like that. There isn't supposed to be any science behind it. Not even warp-science like Tzeentch invulnerable save shenanigans. At least in that case you can assume Tzeentch did something wild and crazy for that invulnerable save, but the whole point of faith being faith is that it leaves everyone else scratching their heads saying "What the feth just happened?" while the sisters proclaim "The emperor protected me!"

While I agree with what you saying, wouldn't "The Emperor protected me!" be the same as Tzeentch helping the invulnerable save? The Emperor does project his power out to guide ships and what not, right? So why couldn't some serious chanting and prayer call his projected psychic power down to stop a lascannon bean?

Im not sure if anyone else has brought this up but has anyone heard anything about the sisters getting a flyer???

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Troike wrote:

Then obviously shield of faith is better than FNP. The description for shield of faith seems to support that it's a matter of willpower, saying "...such is the power of their belief that the Emperor will protect them..." (italics mine).

I assumed shield of faith was a miracle. As in, an ACTUAL miracle. You know, impossible.

You take a direct hit from a missle. You live. If that's not miraculous, what is?

Far as I can tell, Sisters' faith in general is supposed to be "Um... that's supposed to be impossible". Cause faith is supposed to be all mysterious and strange like that. There isn't supposed to be any science behind it. Not even warp-science like Tzeentch invulnerable save shenanigans. At least in that case you can assume Tzeentch did something wild and crazy for that invulnerable save, but the whole point of faith being faith is that it leaves everyone else scratching their heads saying "What the feth just happened?" while the sisters proclaim "The emperor protected me!"

Here's the fluff from the WD Codex:



It's more of "just a flesh wound" or the Sister pushing on despite the injury, firmly believing that the Emperor will allow her to live through the day regardless. Arm blown off? Suck it it up, tie it off and get back in the fight because the Emperor will see you through.

bigboss1o1 wrote:Im not sure if anyone else has brought this up but has anyone heard anything about the sisters getting a flyer???

Unless GW decides to drop the Avenger Strike Fighter in there it'll likely be ally and FW only methods of getting an aircraft, but you never know.

Either way, no rumors yet.

Lets hope the priests' get a point drop. I'd settle for 20-30 points each. But 45 points is just insane. It troubles me that some of the best 40k models ever are so point restrictive.

I realize this is wish listing, but I have one each of them, and I'd really like to include them in the Army, without feeling like an idiot for doing so.




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Also, does anyone have a release date? Next Friday, right?

Looks like the troops page was from a full codex..page 75.

Wonder if the digital codex we get will be 75+ pages or just the pages for models that have already been released.

I still believe the codex was complete but the models were not, and due to chapterhouse situation, they did not release the full codex. They left out the new units with no models.

I think I will go on a spending spree after this hits on Saturday.

 Inquisitor_Dunn wrote:
Looks like the troops page was from a full codex..page 75.

Wonder if the digital codex we get will be 75+ pages or just the pages for models that have already been released.

Actually, if you look at the page for Purge Squadron, it's on page 109. So at the moment we're at 109+ pages.

Digital pages.

Lots of really good news here - especially given negative statements by some people on the forum that the Sisters would never get anything ever again

Will be pre-ordering on Saturday

 Shandara wrote:
Digital pages.

Does anyone know how many "digital pages" the recent Space Marine Codex was as that might help in working out the content.

I really like the flexibility of 5-woman units for small games - very nice! But isn't 2 specials per unit making dominions and celestians rather redundant? Not that celestians needed much help - I'd love it if they stopped hitting celestians with the big nerf-stick!

Uhhhh I look forward to all this

 troy_tempest wrote:
I really like the flexibility of 5-woman units for small games - very nice! But isn't 2 specials per unit making dominions and celestians rather redundant?

Dominions should still have a place. They still have scouting and a better shooting AoF over the regular squads, so they're still the best infantry for tank killing.

As for Celestians, I'm hoping that they've gotten some sort of tweak that makes them useful anyway, in light of what was done to our troops (which was certainly more than we were expecting).

 Mr Morden wrote:


Does anyone know how many "digital pages" the recent Space Marine Codex was as that might help in working out the content.

It is 472 at the last count,but that's unusual for the digital dexes. Chaos Marines was 184.

troy_tempest wrote:But isn't 2 specials per unit making dominions and celestians rather redundant?

Celestians were useless and hopeless before. Maybe they fixed that, maybe they didn't. As for dominions, well, Scout is awesome and 4 flame thrower + a combi + twinlinked is just awesome to clear out an objective from enemy troop when you carefully placed most of them as close from the border of the table as possible .

Celestians need clear role to distinguish them from Dominions and normale BSS, really.

Given their Act of Faith and a Cannoness' Act they should've gone for close-combat.

andrewm9 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Does anyone know how many "digital pages" the recent Space Marine Codex was as that might help in working out the content.

It is 472 at the last count,but that's unusual for the digital dexes. Chaos Marines was 184.

Rights thats helpful - thanks - so a "normal" codex was about 184 pages and Sororitas is going to be at least 109 - so thats not bad (except its likely to be £30 I guess but would rather it was this way round)

Hmm looks like I need alot more Special and Heavy weapons Sisters!!

 Mr Morden wrote:


Rights thats helpful - thanks - so a "normal" codex was about 184 pages and Sororitas is going to be at least 109 - so thats not bad (except its likely to be £30 I guess but would rather it was this way round)

Hmm looks like I need alot more Special and Heavy weapons Sisters!!

Even with what I said, we have to realize probably 20+ pages of that will be the Altar of War missions assuming the other Altars of War books are anything to go by.

My deal with sisters, is i liked the old book much better than the new White dwarf...I dont need to use 6 faith powers a turn...6 a game is plenty, plus the 2 free pops you got from taking 2 canonesses and the appropriate war gear...

that book in 6th would be extremely powerful...especially with troops being the order of the day...5 20 man sister squads, flamer tanks, and ap1 missiles...

with the ability to hit tanks much easier...evisorators would open up tanks pretty easily...

taking away divine guidance from my 20 man sister squads neuters them...

taking away 3++ by popping my free power neuters them...there was nothing better than a 5 man squad of power weapons (or banshees) charging a 20 man sister squad thinking route, pop my free power, boom 3++, and then 20 sisters smack people with devine power weapons and 2 evisorators (canoness and sister superior)...

honestly, the old book needed a points reduction and that was it...

I find the current Sisters good fun to play and effective for the most part.

I like the 6++ and the Faith Points system - if, as appears likely they are sorting the scaling issue with it - thats excellent.

Even if, as seems equally likely, St Celestine goes up in price - well the other tweeks appear to be positive (5 woman squads with 2 special/heavy weapons, minor reductions to things like the banner, bit more flexibility in transports and how you build the squad)

Given that the early part of the year various people were certain the Sisters were being squatted or at best ignored - its a very positive move in the right direction. If sales of the digital codex are good then perhaps there will be more positive news!

I disagree Havik, mostly because I recall not only only using half the the Faith abilities (at most) but that the internet was advocating the use of only half of them as well.

We were growing stale and boring and the current Faith system tried to at least shake it up a bit and did okay doing so.

Havik110 wrote:


especially with troops being the order of the day...5 20 man sister squads, flamer tanks, and ap1 missiles...

taking away divine guidance from my 20 man sister squads neuters them

here was nothing better than a 5 man squad of power weapons (or banshees) charging a 20 man sister squad

I thought this was funny

However, I do agree that the old C:WH was a nice list this is what we get today is good too. We just work with what we have and what we do have isn't really bad at all.

I'm excited that that we are starting to get some attention finally. Besides, they could have just reprinted the WD list 100% with no changes and charged us $30 for it. I'm really stoked to see all of the changes when this is released

 ClockworkZion wrote:


It's more of "just a flesh wound" or the Sister pushing on despite the injury, firmly believing that the Emperor will allow her to live through the day regardless. Arm blown off? Suck it it up, tie it off and get back in the fight because the Emperor will see you through.

Hmm, the problem with that description is that it kinda seems more like a Feel No Pain thing than what Shield of Faith actually does on the table top. The mechanics of the thing work more like... well, an invuln save, which in regards to Tzeentch is pointed out that it does really really silly things. Things I imagine like have you survive being hit directly by a nuclear missile (well, one that doesn't ignore invulnerability saves, at least).

....there's a reason why faith isn't supposed to be "realistically explained" like that description gives it. At least the way it works on the tabletop for the shield, it's very unrealistic, and IMHO it's supposed to be. The description seems to state otherwise so I could be wrong, I suppose.

While I agree with what you saying, wouldn't "The Emperor protected me!" be the same as Tzeentch helping the invulnerable save? The Emperor does project his power out to guide ships and what not, right? So why couldn't some serious chanting and prayer call his projected psychic power down to stop a lascannon bean?

The main difference is that Tzeentch consciously manipulates fate in a calculated way to do it while we have no idea (...or well, we aren't supposed to have any idea, since that's part of the definition of faith, I feel. Again, that official description gives us a huge idea of how it works. ) how the Emperor pulls it off for the sisters. Maybe the Emperor is closely watching over them and manipulates the strands of faith just like Tzeentch does. I like to think of it as something more grand and mysterious, though.

Well, there was that story about Tzeentch and the Emperor playing chess...

TiamatRoar wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:


It's more of "just a flesh wound" or the Sister pushing on despite the injury, firmly believing that the Emperor will allow her to live through the day regardless. Arm blown off? Suck it it up, tie it off and get back in the fight because the Emperor will see you through.

Hmm, the problem with that description is that it kinda seems more like a Feel No Pain thing than what Shield of Faith actually does on the table top. The mechanics of the thing work more like... well, an invuln save, which in regards to Tzeentch is pointed out that it does really really silly things like have you survive being hit directly by a nuclear missile (well, one that doesn't ignore invulnerability saves, at least).

....there's a reason why faith isn't supposed to be "realistically explained" like that description gives it. At least the way it works on the tabletop for the shield, it's very unrealistic, and IMHO it's supposed to be. The description seems to state otherwise so I could be wrong, I suppose.

While I agree with what you saying, wouldn't "The Emperor protected me!" be the same as Tzeentch helping the invulnerable save? The Emperor does project his power out to guide ships and what not, right? So why couldn't some serious chanting and prayer call his projected psychic power down to stop a lascannon bean?

The main difference is that Tzeentch consciously manipulates fate in a calculated way to do it while we have no idea (...or well, we aren't supposed to have any idea, since that's part of the definition of faith, I feel. Again, that official description gives us a huge idea of how it works. ) how the Emperor pulls it off for the sisters. Maybe the Emperor is closely watching over them and manipulates the strands of faith just like Tzeentch does. I like to think of it as something more grand and mysterious, though.

I look at it this way, most people can ignore pain to a given level (this would be your pain thresold), some can even have an unnaturally high pain threshold (Feel no Pain in action) but only Sisters take it to such an extreme that they'll take a hit and keep going as if nothing happened.

Or you can chalk it up to supernatural levels of luck if you like.