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I know that no one can say for sure, but this revamp looks a lot more comprehensive than just re-releasing the WD codex, so I s it possible that they're planning on adding in new models and units at a later date?

They have done it with the old SM digital codex, which had the flyers added, and it might explain the lack of a hard copy version, which doesn't make sense to me when they've spent time and effort to create the interactive iPad version.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Troike wrote:

Wwbushidow wrote:
They didn't give this any press at all. It was not on their site in any way. Thursday they were featuring Dark Elves, and Friday they featured Forge World's Games Day table terrain. (Very nice landing area!! Where can I find that terrain?)

Then Saturday "Hey look! We proudly support Adepta Soroitas!" (Not too much though since we still only have the old metal minis)

How is dedicating the front page of their site to the Sisters not giving them press? That will have given them lots of exposure. They just wanted to sync it with the preorder coming out

Also, their Digital Editions Facebook page has been very active in promoting the Sisters. Multiple teasers and previews, and interactions with the fans. Just today, they asked people to post pictures of their SoB- sorry, AS armies.

Yeah, it's almost as if the Digital Editions wing of GW had never heard of their marketing strategy...

How can GW have a marketing "strategy" when they have no Marketing Department?

"Well, apart from being in White Dwarf a couple of weeks ago, and then revealing cover artwork and page previews. Compared to most GW releases, its been an info avalanche!" Well alphaecho, a small paragraph blurb in their magazine is not much. Facebook was something, but it was at a very minimum cost to them.




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"How is dedicating the front page of their site to the Sisters not giving them press? That will have given them lots of exposure. They just wanted to sync it with the preorder coming out

Also, their Digital Editions Facebook page has been very active in promoting the Sisters. Multiple teasers and previews, and interactions with the fans. Just today, they asked people to post pictures of their SoB- sorry, AS armies."

That is true Trolke, but Facebook exposure is at a minimum cost. Usually they do big releases at the beginning of the month, and they usually mention it in their posts or have video teasers on their site. Feels to me like this is an after thought. The only thing that feels slightly good is that they are actually coming out with a codex. Let's hope it is a good one!

Wwbushidow wrote:
"Well, apart from being in White Dwarf a couple of weeks ago, and then revealing cover artwork and page previews. Compared to most GW releases, its been an info avalanche!" Well alphaecho, a small paragraph blurb in their magazine is not much. Facebook was something, but it was at a very minimum cost to them.




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"How is dedicating the front page of their site to the Sisters not giving them press? That will have given them lots of exposure. They just wanted to sync it with the preorder coming out

Also, their Digital Editions Facebook page has been very active in promoting the Sisters. Multiple teasers and previews, and interactions with the fans. Just today, they asked people to post pictures of their SoB- sorry, AS armies."

That is true Trolke, but Facebook exposure is at a minimum cost. Usually they do big releases at the beginning of the month, and they usually mention it in their posts or have video teasers on their site. Feels to me like this is an after thought. The only thing that feels slightly good is that they are actually coming out with a codex. Let's hope it is a good one!

Your original statement: "They didn't give this any press at all." That is why a couple of us pointed out that they had. Then you move the goalposts and talk about how its been done at minimum cost. GW have actually used social networking to discuss a product, seemingly in defiance of their usual "strategy".

Wwbushidow wrote:
That is true Trolke, but Facebook exposure is at a minimum cost.

So? Cost is irrelevant, the success in promoting the release is what matters. Just look at their likes. Before the SoB codex was announced, it took them months to get to a thousand likes, if I recall correctly. After the SoB codex was announced? That page now has over 3000 likes. It's been very successful in getting the word out, as well as getting people talking about the Sisters.

Wwbushidow wrote:
Usually they do big releases at the beginning of the month, and they usually mention it in their posts or have video teasers on their site. Feels to me like this is an after thought.

Mentions in posts and extremely vague teaser videos are fairly minor in and of themselves, anyway. In fact, I'd argue that what we've been getting with the Facebook page is far superior to stuff like that. Substantial previews of things like unit stats and artwork, and interaction with the fans. I'll take that over a vague yet obvious video teasing the upcoming army, personally.

And now that they are "here", they've gotten their due amount of attention, I'd say. One-click collections, being featured on the main page and even a limited edition bauble to tempt people further. You have to admit, that's a lot more than the Sisters have gotten from GW in a long time.

Of course, none of this is as good as an actual model update, the one thing we need the most, but those'll come out sooner or later.

Wwbushidow wrote:
Let's hope it is a good one!

I think what we've seen so far has been promising enough. Lots of nice artwork, some new fluff, a geniunely good tweak to our troops unit, and so on. Though the Canoness still isn't as good as I think she should be, we could well get improvements to Celestians, which the Canoness would sync very well with.


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So, anybody else ever notice that there are what seem to be red Klansmen standing at the back of the Blanche poster?

Red klansmen are redemptionists

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Aye I said last year, but with my muddled brain it could have been a couple, when did Dark Eldar come out, might have been closer to then, was considering a Sisters match up against the cult who go after their shrine worlds.

Dark Eldar came out in November 2010 followed by Grey Knights in April 2011, the DE were preceded by Blood Angels.
I have seen rumours that say Space Wolves are mid next year so that would fit Zion's theory.

There was a post on the BL Digital Editions page that said they had only got 888* likes two days before the AS codex was announced. They said they wanted 100 more likes before they would leak any more info. They got the likes and then some.

* From my recollection.

Sorry Alphaecho. Poor word choice on my part. In the past they've featured Sisters in White Dwarf, so a small blurb feels less than supportive to me. I guess we'll see how much mention Sisters get in future issues, then we will know for sure.


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Cost is important, Trollke. If they put money into it, that means they are serious and they will support it. I'm feeling a bit of a W.C. Fields vibe, "Here you go kid, now go away you're bothering me." I agree with you about the model update, and usually they put out new kits around the first of the month, along with a matching codex.

I also agree with you about the Cannoness. I've never used and never saw a reason to use her, under current rules.

Wwbushidow wrote:
Sorry Alphaecho. Poor word choice on my part. In the past they've featured Sisters in White Dwarf, so a small blurb feels less than supportive to me. I guess we'll see how much mention Sisters get in future issues, then we will know for sure.


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Cost is important, Trollke. If they put money into it, that means they are serious and they will support it. I'm feeling a bit of a W.C. Fields vibe, "Here you go kid, now go away you're bothering me." I agree with you about the model update, and usually they put out new kits around the first of the month, along with a matching codex.

I also agree with you about the Cannoness. I've never used and never saw a reason to use her, under current rules.

In the past Sisters were getting a full release or where used to show of the Necron release (Sanctuary 101, where a battle report became canon).


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And Wwbushido, there are more costs in an action that a business has to take than strictly fiscal costs. Opportunity costs for instance, such as the costs of have Cruddace work on updating things over workign on a different project, or having the Digital Editions team put these codexes together instead of say, porting over another 5th Edition book like Dark Eldar.

These may have fiscal repercussions but they can't be easily quantified.

 pretre wrote:

Looky Likey wrote:
I'd like to price up my sisters but they stopped making and dropped from the codex about 50% of my collection :(

unless your army is 50% frater is and old rhinos, this is unlikely...

I've a ton of arbites, milita, rabble, inquisition and themed storm troopers. The inquisition and storm troopers I can trust obviously but the rest needs house rules.

Are militia definitely out of this book?

Shame I have 20+

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Are militia definitely out of this book?

Shame I have 20+

We have heard nothing about them so far. I've got 60-80 redemptionists who will have to stay as guard allies for a while.

If we get Frateris Milita/Zealots/Remptionist/Crowd of Guys named Steve I'll gladly get some Empire Flagellants to convert up!

I'd like to see them but have seen no indication that there will be.................

 Mr Morden wrote:
I'd like to see them but have seen no indication that there will be.................

And there is no indication that there won't be. GW has that kind of stuff well under wraps.

A Landraider Redeemer would be nice for the Sisters.
If they are the Emperor's chosen, then they should have the best equipment.
Celestians with special bolter ammo would make them worth taking.
Use of Drop Pods would be nice too.

Wwbushidow wrote:If they are the Emperor's chosen, then they should have the best equipment.

They do - it clearly says that in the fluff section.

I suppose it's more a case of the Sisters not needing everyhing the Marines have as they don't work, deploy, and fight in exactly the same way.
Or, in the case of the Land Raider, there is still the Emperor's personal decree restricting them to the Astartes ... though obviously some Inquisitors don't care, so it would be easy for the High Lords, who speak for the Emperor, to "amend" that decree, if GW ever wanted to give LR to the Sisters.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I'd like to see them but have seen no indication that there will be.................

And there is no indication that there won't be. GW has that kind of stuff well under wraps.

They'd make sense, too. They fit with the AS fluff, they used to be in the old codexes, and they fill a currently unfilled niche in the army.

Wwbushidow wrote:
Cost is important, Trollke. If they put money into it, that means they are serious and they will support it. I'm feeling a bit of a W.C. Fields vibe,"Here you go kid, now go away you're bothering me."

And until the plastics are ready, there isn't much else they can do, really. All they can do now is make a stopgap codex, promote the models on the store and generally promote the update. The usual amount of marketing isn't all that feasible, since there's no new models to push (but as I said, I think the marketing we did get was superior in its own right). We'll have our big day when the models are ready, but for now, what we got was certainly pretty good. More than many expected.

Wwbushidow wrote:
I also agree with you about the Cannoness. I've never used and never saw a reason to use her, under current rules.

Well, some of us are just a bit too into the fluff for our own good.

And in this army of all armies, it's a heavy price to pay. But as I said, I'm hopeful that the Celestians will give the Canoness some more use.

Yeah, I'm hoping the Canoness will be useful and fun again. She wasn't as good once the WD dropped. That's been a long standing gripe about the WD of mine (that and us losing so much wargear. What happened? We forget to close the door on a ship and lost it all into space?).

It would be nice if the Penitent Engine was a MC and not a walker but I do not see that happening. I mean I know it would not make sense but this is 40k we're talking about here. I love the idea behind the models and truly do love the models themselves but I have yet to see them fielded. And while I do love the SOB I just can not pay those prices.

 ShatteredBlade wrote:
It would be nice if the Penitent Engine was a MC and not a walker but I do not see that happening. I mean I know it would not make sense but this is 40k we're talking about here. I love the idea behind the models and truly do love the models themselves but I have yet to see them fielded. And while I do love the SOB I just can not pay those prices.

I'm optimistic because of the fact that every open-topped MC walker has a Toughness value now I believe. The only walkers not based on Toughness are Sentinel, Dreadnought and Hellbrute/ Chaos Dreadnought/Defiler (I may be missing some.) All of these walkers however, are closed top walkers with an enclosed compartment. I believe the pentient to be the only open topped walker with a AV atm.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, I'm hoping the Canoness will be useful and fun again. She wasn't as good once the WD dropped. That's been a long standing gripe about the WD of mine (that and us losing so much wargear. What happened? We forget to close the door on a ship and lost it all into space?).

The biggest problem the Cannoness had was she was stripped of all her decent wargear (2+ save from Cloak of St Asperia, Jump Pack, Litanies of Faith). then count that she's not given a stock invul and the only decent CC weapon she can take is an Eviserator (which she won't live long enough to swing.)

In this new codex, it sounds like Cloak of St Asperia is back (+2 armor save), along with Mantle of Ophelia (previously immune to 1 instant death hit and will probably be Eternal warrior or something similar.), and Litanies of Faith, which previously gave a free faith point, without needing to take a test (which I assume will most likely be the same.)

These are coming back, along with some newer wargear I'm assuming, along with specific warlord traits (which im almost sure of that Celestine's will be fearless.) Cannoness will be able to choose from the codex or rule book warlord traits, I believe. She will now be useful with the ability to be cheap and MOST IMPORTANTLY BE ABLE TO FINALLY RIDE IN A RHINO WITH A SQUAD OF 9 SISTERS. AMAZING.

This codex will most likely not need Celestine as an auto include like in the White Dwarf. I also expect her point cost to raise while her stats will stay nearly the same (I'm hoping for a str 5 or better AP 3 weapon from her Ardent Blade like she used to have though, instead of wounding on a 4+). She's the ultimate tarpit, but most likely can't win a challenge against 1 terminator Sgt. This is due to needing a 4+ to wound, and her weapon is AP 3, meaning that only 50% of the time she will wound her target. Currently she has 6 attacks on the charge, which with WS 7 gives you about 4 hits on average against WS4 and with a 4+ to wound, you have a 50/50 shot to wound. This will most likely result in 2 wound and. 2 wounds on a terminator sgt with a 2+ will most likely pass. Meanwhile he swings with a thunderhammer, gets 2 attacks, hits on 4's wounds on 2's, on avg around .75 wounds, which is near 1 wound. Celestine has a 50/50 shot to fail, getting instant deathed, and falling over, needing to get back up next round, which is also a 50/50 chance.

Too much 50/50 on Celestine, I'd like to see more consistency and to see her points go up.

 pretre wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Keep in mind that Raging Heroes has plans for a full sisters army.

As well as issues with cost, delivery time and not quite fitting the aesthetics of the setting. Not saying that I don't look forward to seeing what they have to put out, but their current kickstarter is not inspiring. The fact that their minis tend to be monopose as well doesn't help.

And a lot of the style of places like Raging Heroes is far too sexualized, even compared to Sisters, and I don't want that in my miniatures.

 Melissia wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Keep in mind that Raging Heroes has plans for a full sisters army.

As well as issues with cost, delivery time and not quite fitting the aesthetics of the setting. Not saying that I don't look forward to seeing what they have to put out, but their current kickstarter is not inspiring. The fact that their minis tend to be monopose as well doesn't help.

And a lot of the style of places like Raging Heroes is far too sexualized, even compared to Sisters, and I don't want that in my miniatures.

I kind of agree. Raging Heroes has this definite "pin up" vibe with almost every model trying to stick her chest straight out, and a number of them having parts of the boobs hanging out for no reason that could even work in the setting. It just doesn't mix well with the 40k look.

Plus the proportions of the miniatures is very different. I'm pretty sure the Raging Hero ones look like they're 3/4 leg.

Yeah... call me picky but I want my Adepta Sororitas to be "professional soldiers of god" (as they are in 40k), not "supermodels playing (and badly, at that) at being soldiers during a photo shoot" (as in Raging Heroes).

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah... call me picky but I want my Adepta Sororitas to be "professional soldiers of god" (as they are in 40k), not "supermodels playing (and badly, at that) at being soldiers during a photo shoot" (as in Raging Heroes).

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that pin-ups sell better than "professional soldiers of god".

xruslanx wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah... call me picky but I want my Adepta Sororitas to be "professional soldiers of god" (as they are in 40k), not "supermodels playing (and badly, at that) at being soldiers during a photo shoot" (as in Raging Heroes).

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that pin-ups sell better than "professional soldiers of god".

What evidence do you have of this?

Because I haven't SEEN any miniature sets that offer women as professional soldiers without making them pin-ups.

It's an untapped market. Just because no sculptor has tried yet doesn't mean that it isn't possible.

xruslanx wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah... call me picky but I want my Adepta Sororitas to be "professional soldiers of god" (as they are in 40k), not "supermodels playing (and badly, at that) at being soldiers during a photo shoot" (as in Raging Heroes).

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that pin-ups sell better than "professional soldiers of god".

Well, I guess anecdotes don't tell us much about it, but I'd buy "professional soldiers of god" before I'd buy "supermodels playing at soldiers during a photoshoot". It'd be nice if we could have both, then everyone's happy. Sort of

Also relevant: in 40k artwork, at least, the Sisters are usually gorgeous. But their outfits are vaguely convincing, if you excuse the boob-shaped breastplates, etc. Not combat lingerie, anyway.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 S'jet wrote:
Not inspiring? Have you seen their recent update? =p

Those. Look. Amazing.
See, GW? That's how you do it. Now stop crying about not being able to make plastic sisters and just friggin' do it!

See, I dont actually like their models, they remind me of those KDM ones that I appreciated were well sculpted and made, but I've no interest in.. leggy, futuristic space prostitutes.

I think GW have the right idea with the sisters, they are plain, and thats how they should look in my book, its in line with the futuristic but endlessly grim setting of the game. All those nubile, leggy birds with their tongues sticking out and their limbs pointing at funny angles reminds me of Miley Cyrus twerking on the TV, im not keen on them at all.

Im hoping they stick with how they have been operating thus far personally. Stuff like this..





Is much more suited, not ugly, but plain. You can see GW are trying not to take them down the neon-spacewhore route, because that new art is probably the prettiest I have seen them, and they are still pretty plain. The sisters repentia look in a lot of pain and the penitent engine is genuinely grim, I think its far more suited to 40k than leggy naked birds with big jugs.

Can someone tell me which digital version will work with a Nook Color. I'm too poor to be able to update to anything else at the moment.

Thanks
burt

burtquaid wrote:
Can someone tell me which digital version will work with a Nook Color. I'm too poor to be able to update to anything else at the moment.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/Support-NOOK-Color/379003188/

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