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Faith points can be used to give unit feel no pain. Or just army-wide feel no pain.

 Manchu wrote:
Manchu's Sisters of Battle Wish List:

- Sixth Edition Codex
- Plastic Sisters

I agree, give me this and I will be happy.

 Necrosis wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Manchu's Sisters of Battle Wish List:

- Sixth Edition Codex
- Plastic Sisters

I agree, give me this and I will be happy.

That's what the CSM players attitude was and look at what those Heretics got.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Necrosis wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Manchu's Sisters of Battle Wish List:

- Sixth Edition Codex
- Plastic Sisters

I agree, give me this and I will be happy.

That's what the CSM players attitude was and look at what those Heretics got.

I don't remember CSM having metal models that they had to buy in blisters.

 Necrosis wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Necrosis wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Manchu's Sisters of Battle Wish List:

- Sixth Edition Codex
- Plastic Sisters

I agree, give me this and I will be happy.

That's what the CSM players attitude was and look at what those Heretics got.

I don't remember CSM having metal models that they had to buy in blisters.

I meant more of them just wanting a new codex in the current edition.

 Necrosis wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Manchu's Sisters of Battle Wish List:

- Sixth Edition Codex
- Plastic Sisters

I agree, give me this and I will be happy.

I don't want some half assed codex. I want something playable and competitive.

flamingkillamajig wrote:I'm not too big on 'sisters of battle' but I think if nothing it could definitely have some aesthetic potential that most marine stuff just lacks. I'd imagine it like gothic artwork on power armor or artificer armor. Something ridiculously finely crafted....with possible burn marks on it hehe ;P (they do like flamers a lot).

You mean kind of like so?

flamingkillamajig wrote:Well do they have bolters with like incendiary rounds?

They had it as an upgrade for the Immolator - Blessed Ammunition, ignores cover. Though I think it'd be feasible to make something like this available for the infantry as well, at least some of them. I know there's incendiary bolt rounds in the fluff (see here), but I can't recall if they are actually used anywhere in the TT (Sternguard?)

flamingkillamajig wrote:Possibly an incense cloud that gives a cover bonus to sisters of battle. That sounds kind of dumb though. Then again GW has been known for dumber i'm sure.

For some reason I've now had to think of smoke or gas grenades in the shape of thuribles, dangling from the Sisters' belts, ready to be tossed at heretics. I need to write this down!

flamingkillamajig wrote:I'd say give certain sisters a 'feel no pain' or something depending on how fanatical they are. Do repentia have it?

Repentia have it!
I suppose one could argue that more of them should, but I have to admit I'm kind of sceptical about FNP in general. It seems like a hassle, mechanicswise. Dice inferno!

flamingkillamajig wrote:I have to find it odd though. If sisters and their acts of faith aren't actual space magic then what exactly is 'the living saint'? If nothing else it's an advanced form of science bringing it back.

There's multiple theories on what a Living Saint could actually be, ranging from a product of mass hallucination to propaganda+technology to her being a benign warp entity all unto herself. If you're interested, feel free to give this (and the linked post therein) a read.

Feel No Pain isn't that bad, you just have to re-roll all your failed saves and on a 5+ the model isn't dead! It's incredibly handy when you expect the model to be dead anyways.

Though seeing as that's the Iron Hand's thing I don't see us taking that from them.

Hmm, wasn't there some other Space Marines who have that, too?

But in a way, I agree. In terms of fluff representation, one could argue we already have it with the current version of the Shield of Faith. And with my comment I just meant that all those rolls and re-rolls may feel a bit "clunky". It's probably a debate for another thread, but it doesn't feel very "elegant".

@lynata: I mean like inscriptions on the power armor but also like angels weeping, a skeleton with a sword and other similar stuff you might see on a banner or such.

I don't know of an actual page that shows exactly what I mean but this is sort of an example of what I mean.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440192a&prodId=prod680007a

Kind of like a version of that except for sisters of battle and probably have more inscribed artwork of weeping angels with like the god emperor and a halo around him or him (in skeletal form) on his golden throne.

Possibly even have them with war machines that are in the form of angels crying with pure water or blood coming from the eyes. The blood part would be creepy but it is a bloody setting.

The smoke or gas grenades should work if they are in that shape. That actually works in my head. Possibly delusional fumes or something that ruins enemy BS or works like a form of defensive grenade.

I meant how sternguard from the space marines army have or had multiple ammo types for their specialty boltguns. Sisters could use their own specialty boltguns that fire different types of ammo.

I still say the 'sisters of battle' could use a unit with rosariuses or refractor fields. Possibly make them harder to kill should their armor not get saves.

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Remember though I am not knowledgeable of the sisters of battle by much at all. I'm aware of the 'age of apostasy' but not a whole lot more. It's a shame as if nothing else their aesthetic is very appealing. I dunno if i'd want sisters to have centurion suits. I'd rather not see them in terminator armor but artificer armor totally works in my eyes or a unit with a decent bunch of inv. saves.

flamingkillamajigg wrote:@lynata: I mean like inscriptions on the power armor but also like angels weeping, a skeleton with a sword and other similar stuff you might see on a banner or such.

Oh. Well, inscriptions are there. As for any images ... hmm, it shouldn't get overboard in that their armour looks "overloaded" with stuff. That being said, this was posted on GW's Armageddon3 website:

flamingkillamajig wrote:I still say the 'sisters of battle' could use a unit with rosariuses or refractor fields. Possibly make them harder to kill should their armor not get saves. [...] I dunno if i'd want sisters to have centurion suits. I'd rather not see them in terminator armor but artificer armor totally works in my eyes or a unit with a decent bunch of inv. saves.

Hmm, could work with that idea of giving Celestians access to Storm Shields. Those have a field generator built-in.

The idea i'm thinking of is some of the stuff you might see on banners.

For instance this banner from the vostroyan firstborn is a good one.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440247a&prodId=prod1070011

You could also have sisters that look like living statues or some sort of statues that have come alive.

 Lynata wrote:
Hmm, wasn't there some other Space Marines who have that, too?

But in a way, I agree. In terms of fluff representation, one could argue we already have it with the current version of the Shield of Faith. And with my comment I just meant that all those rolls and re-rolls may feel a bit "clunky". It's probably a debate for another thread, but it doesn't feel very "elegant".

Blood Angels with Sanguinary Priests. We don't really need a 3rd PA army with FnP I think.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Hmm, wasn't there some other Space Marines who have that, too?

But in a way, I agree. In terms of fluff representation, one could argue we already have it with the current version of the Shield of Faith. And with my comment I just meant that all those rolls and re-rolls may feel a bit "clunky". It's probably a debate for another thread, but it doesn't feel very "elegant".

Blood Angels with Sanguinary Priests. We don't really need a 3rd PA army with FnP I think.

So make Sanguinary Priests reasonable (only apply to the squad they join) and give us the FnP.

Lets face it, between Sanguinary Guard (Seraphim + CC), hand flamers, infernus pistols, fast flamerbacks and the Sanguinor, modern Blood Angels are pretty much a beefed up Sisters clone anyway.

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

oh boy

meh_ wrote:

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

oh boy

I would totally get my girls out of storage for this.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1352388/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

 Lynata wrote:
I suppose one could argue that more of them should, but I have to admit I'm kind of sceptical about FNP in general. It seems like a hassle, mechanicswise. Dice inferno!

And as I've noticed it's significantly less useful on T3 units than on T4 marines and such. Things like plasma guns that no longer deny you FNP (the AP in 5th FNP) are high enough strength to ID T3 so they still don't benefit, while T4 now does.

Not that Uriah Jacobus is worthless at the price - had some real fun with him in a 20-sister blob. ;-)

 Lynata wrote:
I'd actually prefer that - but do you think it's "cool" enough to be viable for a supplement?

Well that's generally how supplements have worked, right? Basically just a slightly different way of playing your force, with changes to particular units? Would fit the variances of the different Orders nicely.

 Lynata wrote:
Just give them this

Spoiler:

Ha! That would be a lot of fun to play.

Feth it, I'll paint my next SoBs as VH. They're too crazy/awesome not to.

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
celestians have free power weapons
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp

Oh emperor, all of those...

Especially dat Celestian upgrade...

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

Yikes, seems a bit of a stretch for a digital update. But I'd take it. Something that makes PE's worthwhile would be great, MC and the PE's extra attacks for wounding would be fun.
Torrent for the Immolator, and something more than just AP4
I'd take blessed ammuniton as an upgrade, or as a Celestian thing. Free power weapons don't thrill me on S3 models.
Turning the Eviscerator into a +2 S, Rending weapon that goes at Initiative would be nice. Give them the same rule the PE's get would be great as well.

Troike wrote:Especially dat Celestian upgrade...

They ought to buff the Canoness rather than Celestine.

The rest, though ... /drool

What's the exact source here?

 Lynata wrote:

Troike wrote:Especially dat Celestian upgrade...

They ought to buff the Canoness rather than Celestine.

The rest, though ... /drool

What's the exact source here?

:: giggle :: No, they said "Celestian." Not "Celestine." : D

I've been up for around 28 hours straight. What's your excuse? : D

Edit: And in the quote tags, it says the source is hawkroot on Warseer. Or something like that.

Edit again: Also, it occurs to me that Jacobus could be decently useful for his FNP in a Battle Sisters squad, particularly against Marine armies that rely on grav-weapons for dealing with infantry with 3+ or 2+ armor saves. Grav-weapons have no strength value, so the Sororitas would still get their FNP even if they wouldn't get their armor save, against grav-weapons. But that's a rather specific situation.

And I just got up from bed!
It appears they buffed Celestine, too, so I guess my point still stands.

As for the source, I suppose I ought to have said I'd like to know what hawkroot's source is.

I just want plastic sisters, a new codex, and a few more units to add variety. (But not like the chaos codex where some units suck so bad you'll never take them.) I don't think that's too much to ask for.

Realistically I'd like IG vets back in the main codex. The option to take Chimeras as transports, Russes for heavy support (limited to demolishers and punishers) and Hydras for AA. All existing kits (we could get the new Hydra ahead of the release for IG).

The sisters themselves I'd like a slight points drop, down a couple as marines are now about the same but better stats. I'd also like a rabble option, works a bit like the cultists from CSM, that unlocks with a priest or SC HQ.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
What about melee units for sisters that throw out a ton of strength 3 or 4 attacks. Kind of like a death company for sisters or like dark eldar wyches or striking scorpions for eldar.

Well, preachers can take a heap of crusaders (power weapon, storm shield), death cult assassins (two power weapons) or arcoflagellants (lots of attacks). Or a mix.
And you have Repentia and Penitent Engines as well.

Making more good melee units would take away one of the Sisters' main weaknesses. And as I've found, against most armies the sisters can fare quite well even in assault - if it's not a dedicated CC unit the sisters' Power Armor is very good to have, and they often outnumber elite armies quite severely. My last test game against my mate's Dark Eldar saw me assaulting all over the board because the Dark Eldar shooting hurt me more than the CC.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Hmm, wasn't there some other Space Marines who have that, too?

But in a way, I agree. In terms of fluff representation, one could argue we already have it with the current version of the Shield of Faith. And with my comment I just meant that all those rolls and re-rolls may feel a bit "clunky". It's probably a debate for another thread, but it doesn't feel very "elegant".

Blood Angels with Sanguinary Priests. We don't really need a 3rd PA army with FnP I think.

Sisters of Battle had a 4+ FNP that wasn't ignored by anything in Codex: Chapter Approved.


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 dracpanzer wrote:

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

Yikes, seems a bit of a stretch for a digital update. But I'd take it. Something that makes PE's worthwhile would be great, MC and the PE's extra attacks for wounding would be fun.
Torrent for the Immolator, and something more than just AP4
I'd take blessed ammuniton as an upgrade, or as a Celestian thing. Free power weapons don't thrill me on S3 models.
Turning the Eviscerator into a +2 S, Rending weapon that goes at Initiative would be nice. Give them the same rule the PE's get would be great as well.

Yeah, this seems reaaaaallly unlikely.

Spetulhu wrote:Making more good melee units would take away one of the Sisters' main weaknesses.

Is it a weakness if they can already have "a heap of Crusaders" etc?

My personal gripe there is that all of those melee units aren't "proper" Sisters. You either have penitents or allies from the Church.
Celestians are supposed to be the Canoness' bodyguard ... make them fight like one!

If those rumours regarding power swords for Celestians are true, that's certainly a step in the right direction, but giving them the Crusaders' storm shield would be pretty much a wet dream.

@meh_: Link? I don't see that on Warseer anywhere.


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Yeah, there is no hawkroot on warseer.

 pretre wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Hmm, wasn't there some other Space Marines who have that, too?

But in a way, I agree. In terms of fluff representation, one could argue we already have it with the current version of the Shield of Faith. And with my comment I just meant that all those rolls and re-rolls may feel a bit "clunky". It's probably a debate for another thread, but it doesn't feel very "elegant".

Blood Angels with Sanguinary Priests. We don't really need a 3rd PA army with FnP I think.

Sisters of Battle had a 4+ FNP that wasn't ignored by anything in Codex: Chapter Approved.

Okay, that would be a different enough twist to warrant FnP I think. I also think it'd make us lose our 6+ Invul.