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pretre wrote:Yeah, there is no hawkroot on warseer.

Maybe kroothawk?

One thing that I definitely want to get my hands on - if GW ever makes it - is an all-plastic Exorcist that looks like a proper Exorcist instead of the cheap hack job I did slapping a Whirlwind turret on an Immolator chassis. : P

I do like the aesthetic of the proper Exorcist model, at least part of the time, but I'm always terrified that I'll drop it when I'm moving it from one place to another in the house - most commonly, from my "display" case (that's really more of a storage space for models that don't have cases to go in, regardless of their paintjob status) to the gaming room down the hallway. Dropping a stock Sister of Battle isn't too bad, worst case scenario is that the backpack comes off. She's still usable in the game, and can be swapped out for an undamaged model between turns and repaired and left to dry overnight if need be.

But my Exorcist, I fear it has the mass to break itself apart with the kinetic energy it'll get between the time it leaves my hands and the time it reaches the floor.

I know that plastic models can and will do that - I had it happen with a Tau... I forget if it was a Devilfish or a Hammerhead - but I don't typically worry about dropping them, because they're light enough to be carried around with ease. I don't worry about my Immolators.

What I worry about, I guess, isn't so much a logical conclusion about what will happen to the tank, but more of a feeling that due to the Exorcist's weight, it's more likely that I'll drop it. It's an uneasy feeling that I have to be extra-cautious when carrying it around. And I very much do not like that feeling.

I know some people like the weight of metal models. I'm fine with the weight of metal Sororitas, and even stuff as big and heavy as the metal Killa Kanz and Deff Dreads - I have 3 metal Killa Kanz and 1 metal Deff Dread, and they pose a much higher risk of impaling my foot if I drop them - and I'd mostly like plastic Sororitas for the conversion and kitbash opportunities, but I just feel like my metal Exorcist is uncomfortably too heavy, to the point where the entire reason I use my Immolator/Whirlwind mashup is so I can avoid carrying the metal one around.

 Lynata wrote:

pretre wrote:Yeah, there is no hawkroot on warseer.

Maybe kroothawk?

Why would kroothawk post it there? and he's not allowed on warseer, iirc.

 Lynata wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:Making more good melee units would take away one of the Sisters' main weaknesses.

Is it a weakness if they can already have "a heap of Crusaders" etc?

My personal gripe there is that all of those melee units aren't "proper" Sisters. You either have penitents or allies from the Church.
Celestians are supposed to be the Canoness' bodyguard ... make them fight like one!

If those rumours regarding power swords for Celestians are true, that's certainly a step in the right direction, but giving them the Crusaders' storm shield would be pretty much a wet dream.

Spoiler:

Hey, I think I have that model! If I do, I've been using her - and 3 others from Reaper Minis - as Crusaders for my Battle Conclaves. : D

 Pouncey wrote:
But my Exorcist, I fear it has the mass to break itself apart with the kinetic energy it'll get between the time it leaves my hands and the time it reaches the floor.

To set your mind at ease... I had three converted exorcists back in the day before there was a model. Then I got three of the metal ones. They are well assembled but I did not glue down the organ pipes. This means that I occasionally drop the pipes. They come apart, I glue them back together. I should really get around to pinning them some day. No horrible things happen though. It really isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

 pretre wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
But my Exorcist, I fear it has the mass to break itself apart with the kinetic energy it'll get between the time it leaves my hands and the time it reaches the floor.

To set your mind at ease... I had three converted exorcists back in the day before there was a model. Then I got three of the metal ones. They are well assembled but I did not glue down the organ pipes. This means that I occasionally drop the pipes. They come apart, I glue them back together. I should really get around to pinning them some day. No horrible things happen though. It really isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

Thanks.

I guess I can take additional comfort in the fact that, having learned from my multi-month bout with building the Penitent Engines that were the only time I've ever had to walk away from the work table for fear of the model's safety due to rage of the builder...

Anyways, having learned from that, I opted to just use a crapload of greenstuff and a liberal coating of superglue to join the metal components to the chassis and each other. I don't care what anyone says, GW superglue does NOT hold metal stuff together with only a tiny drop. Or plastic stuff. Maybe Finecast, but my Valkia did not want to go together until I used a thin layer of liquid green stuff on the joins, probably due to the joining areas being tiny. The only thing GW superglue is good for is gluing fingers to models. It does THAT very well indeed, but it does NOT wash out of clothes. I've had a few droplets of dried superglue in one pair of jeans for years. Doesn't wash out.

I've only had one incident where my one of my Exorcists broke and that's because it was accidently dropped by someone I let look at it. The pipes held thanks to the pinning but the baseplate they mount to popped off. It went back on pretty easily.

 Lynata wrote:
My personal gripe there is that all of those melee units aren't "proper" Sisters. You either have penitents or allies from the Church.
Celestians are supposed to be the Canoness' bodyguard ... make them fight like one!

Oh, right you are. The Celestians also have a Faith ability that's good for melee but no way to get anything extra to fight with. Even if they just got a basic CCW in addition to the pistol and bolter I'd be happy.

Also I recommend Gorilla Glue Superglue. It's less brittle than the bargain bin stuff that GW sells and you get a good sized bottle for your money.

And pinning. Assembling a Penitent Engine without pinning is just asking for trouble.

 pretre wrote:
And pinning. Assembling a Penitent Engine without pinning is just asking for trouble.

I ended up using big gobs of green stuff. They are not pretty Penitent Engines. They are Penitent Engines that would cause the tech who built them to be interred in one themself for their utter failure.

So far the only part that's come off is the upper body detaching from the lower body on one of them. That happened almost right away, and hasn't happened since.

My first attempt was as ill-conceived as my attempt to create a superbeverage by combining chocolate milk with root beer in the same glass.

Or perhaps as ill-conceived as mixing my nightly dose of liquid Risperdal with a teaspoon of Lime Cordial, then consuming without adding water.

My first attempt involved carpenter's glue. I saw how well it had held my foamcore constructions together, so I figured, "Hey,... if it holds that stuff together that well, maybe it'll be a step up from GW superglue..."

And the answer is no, and it made a big mess on the model when I tried to fix the failed model stability the Red Green way, by adding more carpenter's glue.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm dumber than I sound.

 Pouncey wrote:

 pretre wrote:
And pinning. Assembling a Penitent Engine without pinning is just asking for trouble.

I ended up using big gobs of green stuff. They are not pretty Penitent Engines. They are Penitent Engines that would cause the tech who built them to be interred in one themself for their utter failure.

So far the only part that's come off is the upper body detaching from the lower body on one of them. That happened almost right away, and hasn't happened since.

Yeah, not a fan of green stuff for that kind of assembly.

Do you have a pin vise or a dremel (or even a power drill/screwdriver)?

Drill small holes in each side of the piece you want to marry. Get a small nail or paper clip and cut a 1/8 to 1/4" piece of metal. Put glue in one hole. Insert nail. Let dry. Put glue in other hole and on contact location. Insert nail in hole. Makes a much stronger join.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, there is no hawkroot on warseer.

I'm guessing he meant kroothawk? But yeah, i didn't see anything on Warseer either. A shame, I really want Celestians with power weapons.

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, there is no hawkroot on warseer.

i'm guessing he meant kroothawk? But yeah, i didn't see anything on Warseer either. A shame, I really want Celestians with power weapons.

I pm'd kroothawk, but he doesn't post on Warseer.

 pretre wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 pretre wrote:
And pinning. Assembling a Penitent Engine without pinning is just asking for trouble.

I ended up using big gobs of green stuff. They are not pretty Penitent Engines. They are Penitent Engines that would cause the tech who built them to be interred in one themself for their utter failure.

So far the only part that's come off is the upper body detaching from the lower body on one of them. That happened almost right away, and hasn't happened since.

Yeah, not a fan of green stuff for that kind of assembly.

Do you have a pin vise or a dremel (or even a power drill/screwdriver)?

Drill small holes in each side of the piece you want to marry. Get a small nail or paper clip and cut a 1/8 to 1/4" piece of metal. Put glue in one hole. Insert nail. Let dry. Put glue in other hole and on contact location. Insert nail in hole. Makes a much stronger join.

I got a GW pin vise when I bought a metal Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun. I remember because it was my first attempt at pinning. I ended up drilling all the way through the Big Mek's arm and out his shoulder because I had no idea how deep I'd drilled, but it didn't feel like I was very far in at all. Then when I tried to cut the length of paper clip, I used GW plastic cutters, and when the piece finally DID get clipped off, it shot off and bounced to Emperor-knows-where. I'm lucky it didn't ricochet up under my glasses and get me in the eye.

It took a while for me to make a second attempt at pinning. My second attempt involved turning a Sororitas Simulacrum bearer into a banner bearer with a plastic Bretonnian Knights of the Realm/Knights Errant banner. It went, better. I managed to drill through the length of the Sororitas' banner pole well enough after clipping off the Simulacrum (I don't much like sharp things, so I avoid the Razor Saw). When I drilled up through the plastic banner pole, though, I guess I got a bit overenthusiastic and overconfident, and ended up breaching the side of the banner pole. I used a toothpick, glue, and a coating of liquid green stuff to make a smoother finish around the damaged area. Not sure how sturdy it is.

Yeah, it takes a little work to get used to, but once you get good at it, it is really helpful.

 pretre wrote:
And pinning. Assembling a Penitent Engine without pinning is just asking for trouble.

Pin EVERYTHING. I swear all those lots of Sisters with no backpacks only exist because people never pinned them and eventually lost them all.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, it takes a little work to get used to, but once you get good at it, it is really helpful.

I know. And there was a time in my life not long ago when I'd've worked at getting better at it. That part of me died along with the part that would sit and read the Witch Hunters Codex all the way through, all the fluff and everything, and enjoyed the whole thing. But the last time I read any fluff outside what's posted on Dakka, Lexicanum, or an occasional quick check of a particular piece that I'd heard about and was curious about, was at least a few years ago. I also used to read fiction novels, especially a lot of sci-fi stuff, all night, every night, and enjoyed it.

Pin SOB backpacks? That's a lot of pinning. I pinned the crap out of celestine though. Her sword arm finally broke, but not at the join.

 pretre wrote:
Pin SOB backpacks? That's a lot of pinning. I pinned the crap out of celestine though. Her sword arm finally broke, but not at the join.

My Celestine's arm fell off at least once.

But her backdrape thingy stayed on until I forcibly removed it and replaced it with a Sanguinary Guard angel wing jump pack! : D

 pretre wrote:
Pin SOB backpacks? That's a lot of pinning. I pinned the crap out of celestine though. Her sword arm finally broke, but not at the join.

It's that or worry about things falling off. I'm a fan of not having to reassemble models.

 Pouncey wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Pin SOB backpacks? That's a lot of pinning. I pinned the crap out of celestine though. Her sword arm finally broke, but not at the join.

My Celestine's arm fell off at least once.

But her backdrape thingy stayed on until I forcibly removed it and replaced it with a Sanguinary Guard angel wing jump pack! : D

I was sick of her falling apart, so she has a pin that goes into her chest, through the jump pack and into the cherubs.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Necrosis wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Necrosis wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Manchu's Sisters of Battle Wish List:

- Sixth Edition Codex
- Plastic Sisters

I agree, give me this and I will be happy.

That's what the CSM players attitude was and look at what those Heretics got.

I don't remember CSM having metal models that they had to buy in blisters.

I meant more of them just wanting a new codex in the current edition.

Codices come and go for factions that get updates. At this point, I'm more concerned about having a proper codex at all than having a "tier one" (whatever that means) book.

A special melta gun that hits things in a line.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
A special melta gun that hits things in a line.

And draws a 12' line. I want that sucker making people cry in Apoc!

Kroothawk said it wasn't him, btw.

 pretre wrote:
Kroothawk said it wasn't him, btw.

No surprise there, his rumors are usually focused around release schedule stuff.

 Pouncey wrote:
My Celestine's arm fell off at least once. But her backdrape thingy stayed on until I forcibly removed it and replaced it with a Sanguinary Guard angel wing jump pack! : D

Hah, I've had no trouble with the arm. The fastening of the pegasus wings I've used instead of her backpack thingy on the other hand is a bit dodgy. I put a pin in her back top hang them on but they're so large and get jostled about in transport even if I wrap her well so they sometimes fall off.

meh_ wrote:

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

oh boy

meh_ wrote:It's just a bs i made up It was a wishlisting thread for Celestine's sake!

Maybe in the future try to make it your own post and not attribute to someone else. :(

 Manchu wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Necrosis wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Necrosis wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Manchu's Sisters of Battle Wish List:

- Sixth Edition Codex
- Plastic Sisters

I agree, give me this and I will be happy.

That's what the CSM players attitude was and look at what those Heretics got.

I don't remember CSM having metal models that they had to buy in blisters.

I meant more of them just wanting a new codex in the current edition.

Codices come and go for factions that get updates. At this point, I'm more concerned about having a proper codex at all than having a "tier one" (whatever that means) book.

Personally, I'd rather not have a top-tier Codex. Because then I would get lumped in with all the people flocking to the Sororitas for a powerful army. And when people then ask me what army I play, and I reply Sisters of Battle, they're not gonna be thinking anything other than, "Oh, another Codex hopper."

:: shrugs :: Maybe I worry too much what people think of me. I can't enjoy PvP in online videogames, because when I inevitably die, I always picture the guy who killed me laughing derisively and going, "Ha ha, what a noob." That thought, whether it's grounded in reality or not, always makes me angry. Playing a game in splitscreen or a tabletop game is fine, because they're right there, not laughing at me.