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I'm not a fan of bikes for SoB.

Maybe I just like the imagery of mythological Valkyries too much but I think giving SoB a unit that plays off that theme would look cool... Flying mechanical horses... Allowing the unit to choose between movement profiles or maybe being cavalry that ignores intervening terrain for movement.

If one looks at the medieval church, which GW has modeled the Imperium's... there is a certain theatricality designed to assert the faith's divine connection. Giant roving abbeys and living saints are a good example of how this translates into 40k. I think it's something an SoB "Valkyrie" type unit would further bring to their list.

How about male SOB?

I think the Valkyrie imagery is pretty well-established in the Seraphim squads, "descending from the heavens on wings of fire" and all that.

While I'm sure the Sisters will get some sort of MC, probably something similar to a Centurion... I really, really hope they don't go with a giant walking statue thing. It just... I dunno, seems more AdMech than SOB, because it won't be the Sisters building that statue, it's going to be some AdMech servitor-like monstrosity. Like an MC Dreadnought with boobs... and I'm just not keen on the idea.

Well, actually, it's not really the idea I have a problem with, it's how I think GW would implement it. That is where I think it'll go wrong, having seen the Dreadknight, the Riptide and the Centurions. It just cannot end well.


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 sing your life wrote:
How about male SOB?

Burn, heretic.

 sing your life wrote:
How about male SOB?

Really?

Robot pegasi makes as much sense as cyber-aquilas, I guess.

My idea for the SoB bikes was to actually make them part of the Retributor corps. Each bike is crewed by a single Retributor and carries a panier-mounted heavy bolter that can be exchanged for a torrent flamer or a multi-melta (because a non-torrent, forward-firing flamer on a fast moving, open-topped vehicle is something that can pretty much always be classified as a bad idea). They come in squads of two to five, with the sister superior's bike having some kind of holy wind chime instead of the heavy weapon. The effects are something like a +1 to faith tests on any unit the squad drives by.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Robot pegasi makes as much sense as cyber-aquilas, I guess.

My idea for the SoB bikes was to actually make them part of the Retributor corps. Each bike is crewed by a single Retributor and carries a panier-mounted heavy bolter that can be exchanged for a torrent flamer or a multi-melta (because a non-torrent, forward-firing flamer on a fast moving, open-topped vehicle is something that can pretty much always be classified as a bad idea). They come in squads of two to five, with the sister superior's bike having some kind of holy wind chime instead of the heavy weapon. The effects are something like a +1 to faith tests on any unit the squad drives by.

While I agree that forward-mounting a flamethrower on a motorcycle is a terrible idea...

... so is running naked (or nearly so) into futuristic combat armed with a two-handed chainsaw wrapped in lightning. But, hey, of course it's a terrible idea. Some of our greatest adventures have started with a terrible idea.

Though you could always replace the flamer with a twin-linked heavy bolter or stormbolter or multi-melta. My idea is simply more cinematic... the Sister races up, spraying gouts of flame into a line of heretic troops, and then simply crushes them under the aquila-spiked rear wheels as she pops a wheelie and tears through their lines, engines roaring as she plows through the flames she has so generously sprayed on them.

andrewm9 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
How about male SOB?

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E781QE7ZQK8

andrewm9 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
How about male SOB?

Really?

Why not? I'm sure surgery is good enough in the universe that the Imperium could physically alter men to the point they were indistinguishable. Of course as they are currently inferior, they woud have to be trainees (kind of like Scouts in Space Marine armies.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Robot pegasi makes as much sense as cyber-aquilas, I guess.

My idea for the SoB bikes was to actually make them part of the Retributor corps. Each bike is crewed by a single Retributor and carries a panier-mounted heavy bolter that can be exchanged for a torrent flamer or a multi-melta (because a non-torrent, forward-firing flamer on a fast moving, open-topped vehicle is something that can pretty much always be classified as a bad idea). They come in squads of two to five, with the sister superior's bike having some kind of holy wind chime instead of the heavy weapon. The effects are something like a +1 to faith tests on any unit the squad drives by.

Someone pointed out before that in novels the SoB are mentioned as having armed cars of sorts. Couldn't that accomplish the same thing as your bikes.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Someone pointed out before that in novels the SoB are mentioned as having armed cars of sorts. Couldn't that accomplish the same thing as your bikes.

Yes, but it wouldn't be as cool.

It's the sort of thing that begs the question... Why don't marines have that? -It's a bike trying to perform the same role as an attack bike. Is there any rationale for SoB being privaleged with this technology? An armored and gunned jeep doing the same doesn't raise those question while bringing the a SoB something distinct. I'm all for SoB having their own unique units but this doesn't seem to make sense.

The Adeptus Arbites have been known to use speeders in the vein of the LS Storm to move teams up and down the spires of hive worlds. It's strikes me as the sort of technology SoB would have access on their own or even through their relationship with Arbites. Does anyone have a distinctive take on this sort of unit?

This has been posted elsewhere on the forums, but it bears repeating....


While there are some Marine Chapters that make use of bikes, the Sisters are noted as being equipped similarly and to the same standard of quality as any Space Marine Chapter. So it's not really an issue of the Sisters borrowing from the SM, it's a matter of displaying options the Sisters should have had all along, according to their fluff.

Bikes are also more mobile than a car or a jeep, able to go places that a four-wheeled vehicle cannot, simply by the virtue of being smaller. Though giving the Sisters a 40k-version of a Warthog... blinged out with all the Ecclesiarchal stuff... that could be cool, too.

We are talking about a specifically mentioned armored car that SoB are shown to use in a novel. As opposed to an extrapolation based on a generalized reference to their equipment that has then been taken to an extreme that exceeds what even marines get. You're talking a bike armed like an attack bike. Surely if that were possible Marines would do it instead of just giving the random marine a special weapon.

Sure.

There's a reason this thread is titled "Wishlist".

Psienesis wrote:This has been posted elsewhere on the forums, but it bears repeating....

You know, I only posted that as a joke.

I still think that 5-girl Scout cars > Bikes, but I guess that's just a matter of clashing personal preferences. No big deal.

As to the idea of making Hospitallers or Dialogous ICs ... I dunno. It'd fit to the idea that the convents are organised similarly to the Space Marines (and thus having an Apothecarion and a Librarium), but I rather like the idea of these characters being a bit more rare in the field.

Instead, I'd rather have, say, the Hospitaller's +FNP be an area effect instead of limited to the Command Squad, representing the Sister running off to help others nearby. Alternatively, okay, have her be an IC, but limited to a single model, deploying with the Command Squad but then detaching?

(and relic-stuff is what the Sisters Pronatus are for, though I think any relics should be carried by the Sisters Superior and/or the Palatine/Canoness)

Happyjew wrote:Why not? I'm sure surgery is good enough in the universe that the Imperium could physically alter men to the point they were indistinguishable. Of course as they are currently inferior, they woud have to be trainees (kind of like Scouts in Space Marine armies.

But w-why would you??
Male progena with sufficient qualifications get sent to the Commissariat, the Munitorum's Storm Trooper regiment or the ISTs. Or the Arbites, or the IG/Navy, or the clergy, the Administratum... It's not like the Schola doesn't know what to do with them.

I think it's a fairly important thematic element to have Space Marines = The Guys, Battle Sisters = The Girls. It creates a nice polarisation between the sexes, accompanied by the Imperial Guard as an Equal Opportunities Employer (depending on the individual homeworld).

Seems dakkaites are difficulties spotting jokes...

 sing your life wrote:
Seems dakkaites are difficulties spotting jokes...

Seems dakkaites are difficulties writing jokes.

Am I doing it right?

More on topic all this back and forth on different ideas makes me want to try my hand at writing a fandex. I figure by the time it's done the real codex will be out.

As to the idea of making Hospitallers or Dialogous ICs ... I dunno. It'd fit to the idea that the convents are organised similarly to the Space Marines (and thus having an Apothecarion and a Librarium), but I rather like the idea of these characters being a bit more rare in the field.

That's why I went with ICs rather than entire squads of them, or simply some SR that suggested there's an entire legion of Hospitalers just chilling in a MASH behind the lines. I think we need to see some more table-top representation of some of the non-Militant Orders.

Instead, I'd rather have, say, the Hospitaller's +FNP be an area effect instead of limited to the Command Squad, representing the Sister running off to help others nearby. Alternatively, okay, have her be an IC, but limited to a single model, deploying with the Command Squad but then detaching?

Could work simply as an IC that is attached to the Command Squad but applies the rule to the Army as casualties are either evacuated to the rear (indicating by her presence that there is Hospitaler support available) or by her moving hither and yon to assist where she may.

And when I say "relic", I'm talking the big stuff. The stuff that isn't really (wo)man-portable. Big chunks of a church founded by the early Thorians or immediate post-Apostasy-type stuff. Big stuff that requires its own tracked vehicle to transport.

Psienesis wrote:or by her moving hither and yon to assist where she may

That's what I'm thinking about. Just a lone Hospitaller (or a team? hmm) scurrying across the battlefield to provide an AoE FNP wherever it's needed most.
It does feel as if the IG should have something similar, though...

Army-wide FNP just by her "being" there, would probably be a bit too powerful .. or result in a rather drastic point cost.

Psienesis wrote:And when I say "relic", I'm talking the big stuff. The stuff that isn't really (wo)man-portable. Big chunks of a church founded by the early Thorians or immediate post-Apostasy-type stuff. Big stuff that requires its own tracked vehicle to transport.

And again we arrive at the penitent-pulled golden skull and its mouth-fired mega-melta!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Seems dakkaites are difficulties spotting jokes...

Seems dakkaites are difficulties writing jokes.

Am I doing it right?

You're just jealous that your skill in humour is much less than mine

Exactly. Maybe a giant gold Aquila that fires a death-ray-like weapon from its one eye: Select a point on the battlefield. Select another point within 24". Draw a line between those points. Any unit(s) that falls under that line takes a number of S8 Ap2 hits equal to the number of models in that unit.

Relic does this randomly. At the start of controlling player's turn roll a d6, on a roll of 6, the Relic does its thing.

 Psienesis wrote:
Though giving the Sisters a 40k-version of a Warthog

You mean the A-10?

If GW made a 40k-ified A-10 and gave it to the Sisters, I'd buy the feth out of that. Espeiclaly if they were relatively faithful to the original A-10 design, because feth what the air force thinks, that is one sexy beast of a plane.

 Melissia wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Though giving the Sisters a 40k-version of a Warthog

You mean the A-10?

If GW made a 40k-ified A-10 and gave it to the Sisters, I'd buy the feth out of that. Espeiclaly if they were relatively faithful to the original A-10 design, because feth what the air force thinks, that is one sexy beast of a plane.

The Avenger isn't too far off, though it seems to be armed with a GAU-8 instead.

 Melissia wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Though giving the Sisters a 40k-version of a Warthog

You mean the A-10?

If GW made a 40k-ified A-10 and gave it to the Sisters, I'd buy the feth out of that. Espeiclaly if they were relatively faithful to the original A-10 design, because feth what the air force thinks, that is one sexy beast of a plane.

Ha, no, though that would be awesome, I also knew that this question would arise.

I don't mean the plane, I mean the truck:




Something like that, in black and gold, or red and black, or whatever other color the Order wants to use, fitted with gold aquilas, church organ pipes (or rocket launchers), fleur de lis, laud-hailers and a heavy bolter or a multi-melta.... or twin-linked heavy flamers, sure, knock yourself out.

 Psienesis wrote:

Spoiler:

Ew no. Way too small, light, and ugly for my tastes. Also handles like a flatulent cow.

I think it handles more like a puma, myself.

IMO, this is meant to fit a Fast Attack slot, so an agile, armored vehicle that can bring anti-infantry/light anti-vehicle weaponry to bear, possibly while also transporting a squad of 5, allows something like this to exist.

It's not a tank, it's not an APC, it's a vehicle designed to move quickly across the battlefield to provide support in the form of high volumes of automatic fire, anti-vehicle weaponry or torrents of fire raining on an advancing infantry unit. Use one of these to plug a hole in your defensive line until foot-troops can slog up there to take to the trenches. Use it to cut off a surprise attack from a flank. Use it to support your advancing infantry, helping to soften up (or remove entirely) enemy infantry and light vehicles.

So take this:



and replace the Grenade Launcher with a Bolter (Storm Bolter? Hurricane Bolter?) and add a Melta option.

And take this:



And go with Heavy Bolter, Mult-Melta and Heavy Flamer (all TL) and you're set.

For comparison to the Halo Warthog, this is FW's Tauros Venator:


Going by the description in Hammer & Anvil, the Sisters used a variant that lacked the turret and instead sported a passenger compartment for 4 Sisters in power armour.
Might be a good way to bring your Dominions to the front.

(though I actually prefer the 4-wheel version of the Tauros - it looks sleeker and more mobile .. but I suppose it lacks the carrying capacity)

PS: All this talk about relics also makes me miss Blessed Weapons even more.

[edit] Wow, looks like Zion just had the same idea, or nearly the same.

Uh, Zion? That's the heavy flamer variant of the Tauros. You just need to replace the crew with Sisters (which, owing to power armour, is a little less silly than flak-armoured Elysians with a flamer buggy... although at least the tauros heavy flamer pivots).

The Tauros Venator would have to be the chassis used for the hypothetical 'transport buggy' - after all, it's canon that removing a set of twin-linked lascannon power capacitors frees up enough space for 2.5 power armoured bodies.