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I like the idea of power spears for Celestians. The tips should have the shape of a fleur-de-lis, tho.
The weapon design was one of the details that I did like in this fan art.

or we could take the lancia longini...

 Lynata wrote:
I like the idea of power spears for Celestians. The tips should have the shape of a fleur-de-lis, tho.
The weapon design was one of the details that I did like in this fan art.

or we could take the lancia longini...

You know "spears" are a legitimate form of power weapon, right? I believe they fall into the "lance" category IIRC.

How about the option of upgrading their boltguns to a special kind of power spear that has a boltgun slung under it, similar to the gun-pikes used by the Catholic army in Hellsing?

Would let them be both shooty and assaulty.

Or just add the option of power-Sarissas

ClockworkZion wrote:You know "spears" are a legitimate form of power weapon, right? I believe they fall into the "lance" category IIRC.

Hum, that must have slipped my mind. I thought it was just swords, axes, hammers.
I have yet to play a single game in 6E, so I may be a "bit" rusty...

Melissia wrote:How about the option of upgrading their boltguns to a special kind of power spear that has a boltgun slung under it, similar to the gun-pikes used by the Catholic army in Hellsing?

Isn't that something the GKs had, or am I mistaking this for the bolters strapped to their arm?

Never been a fan of the whole idea of either power- or chain-knives ever since seeing those pop up in Dark Heresy, though... I know 40k tech can be pretty small in some cases, but I guess I'm just too used to those kind of weapons being clunky.

It might be, I tend to ignore that Grey Knights exist these days.

Well... powerswords in general aren't terribly clunky. The tech-ware that generates the powerfield is comparatively small.

Not sure I'd want a powerblade in my back pocket or strapped to my thigh, though. All it takes is someone with Precision Telekinesis to notice it's there, and turn it on from across the room.

 Lynata wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:You know "spears" are a legitimate form of power weapon, right? I believe they fall into the "lance" category IIRC.

Hum, that must have slipped my mind. I thought it was just swords, axes, hammers.
I have yet to play a single game in 6E, so I may be a "bit" rusty...

Melissia wrote:How about the option of upgrading their boltguns to a special kind of power spear that has a boltgun slung under it, similar to the gun-pikes used by the Catholic army in Hellsing?

Isn't that something the GKs had, or am I mistaking this for the bolters strapped to their arm?

Never been a fan of the whole idea of either power- or chain-knives ever since seeing those pop up in Dark Heresy, though... I know 40k tech can be pretty small in some cases, but I guess I'm just too used to those kind of weapons being clunky.

I don't think GKs had it (they might have ages ago, but not now), but I think the Custodes have some sort of bolter-mounted Halberd.

Didn't the sisters use to have special anti-psyker crossbows? Is that still a thing?

It was a thing in C:WH, but only as a combi-weapon.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Didn't the sisters use to have special anti-psyker crossbows? Is that still a thing?

It's still a thing. Though they're not really used these days.

So, I guess that's a no on the Pronatus squads...

IRT the Pronatus squads, I think it would depend specifically on what the relics they carry did/could do. If it's something akin to a relic blade or other relic weapon that provides a bonus to the one model carrying it, then I can see them as Elites or maybe even as Troops in certain Missions...

... but if these are relics with effects out to a distance, like the Grimoire, then I think there would probably need to be some limits on the number of Pronatuses (Pronati?) that could be on the table at any one time, to avoid having an army toting a dozen relics or something.

 Lynata wrote:
I like the idea of power spears for Celestians. The tips should have the shape of a fleur-de-lis, tho.
The weapon design was one of the details that I did like in this fan art.

or we could take the lancia longini...

I like EVERYTHING about this post.

 Troike wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Didn't the sisters use to have special anti-psyker crossbows? Is that still a thing?

It's still a thing. Though they're not really used these days.

But crossbows are cool. Especially when they explode or cause things to disintegrate. With science!

The bolter-stake-crossbow combi weapon aka Condemnor boltgun was an Inquisitor's toybut I suppose it's not unfitting that we retained it, though the fluff description makes it sound to be more of an Ecclesiarchal thing rather than SoB-specific, similar to the Arco-flagellants.

CthululsSpy wrote:I don't think GKs had it (they might have ages ago, but not now), but I think the Custodes have some sort of bolter-mounted Halberd.

That must be where I remember them from! Thanks.

I dunno. I think it'd look more elegant without that bulky bolter box strapped to the shaft. Still like that fan-art piece more, in this regard.

Psienesis wrote:Well... powerswords in general aren't terribly clunky. The tech-ware that generates the powerfield is comparatively small.

Comparatively, yeah. But it'd still be a cigarette-box-sized generator strapped to the knife - look at the Inquisitor's blade above!
There's probably a lot of cases where it can be incorporated into the hilt and crossguard (see where the "rod" extends from on this Superior?), but with a mere dagger ... meh, maybe when it's some rare artificer stuff.
Though that's just my perception of it! I guess I'm just used to things being big, and power/chain weapons having stuff tacked onto them.

I think it's more a case of artist interpretation, as the typical power-field generator is similar to what's on the Inq model there, but even in studio art it can be depicted much smaller. And once you get into hardware that is produced by master artisans, rather than off a press on some Forge World, well, things probably get a lot more elegant.

Though I'm not sure a chainknife or a powerblade are generally "mastercrafted" weapons, they seem more intended as tools.

Though, it does make me wonder why power-blade bayonets or even chain-blade bayonets are not as popular with the IG and/or the Stormtrooper Regiment as I imagine they could be. Especially for the ST, mount a power-blade under that hellgun and you significantly increase your threat profile during assault actions and room-to-room fighting.

I'd suppose they would just be too expensive, and possibly require more maintenance than the sturdy lasgun. Given the rarity of power weapons - not even every Space Marine or Battle Sister has them - I just wouldn't expect them in the hands of some "scrub" ranker. Apparently the Munitorum doesn't even manage to hand everyone normal bayonets.
I could maybe see it in the Storm Trooper regiment, though, as those guys receive much better arms and armour.

Hypothetically speaking, of course. Whilst I could believe a power field generator being placed into such a small weapon is generally possible, it'd be an expensive job resulting in a rare item. But as you said: interpretation!

[edit] Ah, the Inquisitor RPG describes power weapons as "highly prized" and "a badge of office amongst senior Imperial servants".
That book also has power knives, though, so I'll have to concede to you.

I like the spear-bolter idea.
Long time ago, in yonder Rogue Trader days, proto-GK did have spear/bolter thing going on. I have this guy and another like him, also with a spear. I think it would fit very nicely with the Joan D'Arc/Medieval feel of the SOB.

Meh, I still think it would look better without the bulky bolter.

Although the idea to replace it with a flamer just popped into mind. We could call it "Rotissaria".

Heh, the flamer-powerspear would work perfectly for Celestians anyway. Charge while firing the flamer, then get to the spearwork.

Most CCWs with flamers that have existed so far that I can think of where combi-flamers unless they were Celestine's Sword, so if it's a flamer all the time and not just a one-shot then it probably should be a Relic.

Or at the very minimum restricted to character models not all models.

I'm fine with it being a one-time thing.

I'd say for sisters of battle another ability could be an actual 'Fire Wall'. Like they raise up a wall of fire between them and their enemies. Basically it's an area denial weapon and possibly have it shot out of one of the vehicles. Basically throw out a line of fire and anybody that crosses said line take a certain amount of hits at a certain amount of damage (anywhere from 4-6 I guess) that go through cover (so it still damages ork bikers to my knowledge or any specialty cover save dudes). This is basically useful if you have to face superior melee troops which could be very useful I think esp. versus orks.

Hehe maybe we should have a holy hand grenade. Or you know a grenade that splashes burning oils in the enemy's faces.

Perhaps a shotgun melta for close combat troops or even seraphim maybe considering the amount they move (melta shotgun would be very short ranged but more shots) or even one of those d3 melta shots on some sort of walker like the penitent engine. The d3 melta shots idea is actually something I adapted from the weaponry of the xv9 suits. I figure a walker could shoot a few of those off.

Possibly have some combat weapons like censers that create a fog that ruins enemy initiative or WS or an altar that adds a cover bonus for every sister's unit within a certain radius.

What's everybody's opinion on gatling gun type weapons for sisters like the punisher cannon except maybe rending and with immolation bullets for going through cover? I'm willing to work with ideas on this whether sisters or a vehicle would get this.

Different types of ammo would also be good for other stuff like the exorcist. Like maybe sometimes it shoots melta and sometimes it shoots normal flaming attacks but each is limited to a certain amount of shots or you have to choose the loadout before hand and keep firing just one type all game. Actually the limited loadouts per type of shot sounds better. Maybe 4 flaming and 3 melta volleys of rockets.

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Not sure what else I can come up with right now. Still think we need more angelic type units for sisters or something melee intensive. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a more statue-esque creepy weeping angel version of the sisters with some similarity to the sanguinary guard. I don't think GW could handle the level of detail of such a model currently though. Would be infinitely creepy to face something like that or it'd be an interesting new style for seraphim. Maybe a more elite version of seraphim with artificer armor. Maybe there are advanced robots that look like living statues or perhaps the sisters put on a very pasty white coloring and throw on some angelic garb over their armor.

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Perhaps if I could write out a comic with an exorcist playing organ music in the form of 'When the Saints Come Marching in!'

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Most CCWs with flamers that have existed so far that I can think of where combi-flamers unless they were Celestine's Sword, so if it's a flamer all the time and not just a one-shot then it probably should be a Relic.

Or at the very minimum restricted to character models not all models.

Could always go for something along the lines of Ork Burna boys, either use it as a flamer or as a power weapon not both in the same turn.

 Madcat87 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Most CCWs with flamers that have existed so far that I can think of where combi-flamers unless they were Celestine's Sword, so if it's a flamer all the time and not just a one-shot then it probably should be a Relic.

Or at the very minimum restricted to character models not all models.

Could always go for something along the lines of Ork Burna boys, either use it as a flamer or as a power weapon not both in the same turn.

To be fair those are a bit different (burnas have flamethrowers that can be cranked into high powered cutting torches) but I can see it being a reasonable way to balance them.

Actually, it's the other way round - they have cutting torches that they can crank open to work as flamethrowers.

The old Grey Knight Terminator unit that could be included in a Marine army were armed with "Nemesis Force Halberds" that had built-in storm bolters. I always thought the change to glove mounted was kind of a shame.

It would be nice to see SoB get more unique weapons. The crossbow and the flameberd being discussed would be a good start. It'd be nice to see them with a unique special or heavy weapon choices.

Flameberge? :p

Top of my wish list for Sisters now? Saturday morning. Sod friday.

"Flameberge" only if it has the SR that it, I dunno, can be used as a Flamer instead of a CCW at the player's choice. Either run up and hit them with it, stay back and throw fire on them, or run up and throw fire on them.

... also, cheaper Stormbolters. Maybe 2 for free in a squad, with a buy-option to equip the whole squad. This, of course, in homage to Faith & Fire.

Tying this back to another thread.... the Sisters are being heavily advertised all over the GW site right now I noticed.

Stormbolters should be free - the opportunity cost of not being able to take a better special weapon is enough. And rather than a dedicated spear-flamer, why not just bring back Exterminator cartridges?

So I sat down and from the point of view of working off of stuff we have and had only (no making up new stuff, no adding wargear we didn't have that sort of thing) and here's what I see as a basis for a codex (no I'm not going into every change I'm considering, just putting it all on the table, besides, I have to save something for myself if the codex falls through and I decide to go ahead and write a fandex instead):

HQ:
Canoness
Sororitas Command Squad (includes option to upgrade 1 to be a Palatine)
Ecclesiarchy Confessor
Battle Conclave
Jacobus
Kyrinov
Helfire
Helena
Praxedes
Celestine

Elites:
Celestians
Repentia
Ecclesiarchy Priests

Troops:
Battle Sister Squad
Zealous Mob (basically a hybrid of our various mob types over the years)

Dedicated Transports:
Rhino
Immolator
Dominica Pattern Drop Pod
Repressor

Fast Attack
Seraphim
Dominons
Arco-Flagellant Pack
Deathwind Drop Pod

Heavy Support:
Exorcist
Retributors
Penitent Engines
Avenger Strike Fighter

So that's my basis for an update.