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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/25 19:57:52
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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So, I had a thought today in the middle of my college calculus course. You know, one of those random thoughts that just has nothing to do with the subject at hand. So basically, what I want to hear is, using the current rules that exist, if you could add just one rule to any single model (within reason) that you feel would have a massive change to the meta that currently exists, effectively breaking the game in a sense, what would it be?
Here's the idea that popped into my head, to get the ball rolling.
The Doom of Malan'tai becomes an IC.
You suddenly turn this into something that will make people cry;
Swarmlord
Tyranid Prime
Tyrant Guard
The Doom of Malan'tai
And so, let the thread begin!
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/09/25 20:03:14
"There is a cancer eating at the Imperium. With each decade it advances deeper, leaving drained, dead worlds in its wake. This horror, this abomination, has thought and purpose that functions on an unimaginable, galactic scale and all we can do is try to stop the swarms of bioengineered monsters it unleashes upon us by instinct. We have given the horror a name to salve our fears; we call it the Tyranid race, but if is aware of us at all it must know us only as Prey."
Hive Fleet Grootslang 15000+
Servants of the Void 2000+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 02:55:08
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Dakka Veteran
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Draigo: Titansword becomes AP2. Takes Draigo right back to the top of the heap. I don't know if that would change the whole game's meta a ton though.
Vanguard Veterans: Heroic Intervention switched back to the way it was in 5th. Would probably kick gunlines down a peg, except for Tau, with their cheap interceptor.
Drop Pods: Delete the sentence requiring disembarking when it lands. BT had that for a bit because of an FAQ foop up, adding it to all pods would be cool.
Everything with missiles: Add in Flakk missiles in basic missile launcher. Flyers would become much rarer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 02:57:39
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Major
Fortress of Solitude
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Doom of Malan'tai becomes EW.
Wave Serpent gets Shrouded. (most OP of the lot)
Annihilation Barge gets Shrouded.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/26 02:58:32
Celesticon 2013 Warhammer 40k Tournament- Best General
Sydney August 2014 Warhammer 40k Tournament-Best General |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 03:09:09
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Orks get old school furious charge? (or orks get old school fleet on their WAAGH turn).
Not sure how much it would break the meta, but I think ork players would appreciate it.
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BrianDavion wrote:Between the two of us... I think GW is assuming we the players are not complete idiots.
Rapidly on path to becoming the world's youngest bitter old man. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 03:14:13
Subject: Re:Add One To Break One...
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Dakka Veteran
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Chimeras get side av 12.
Vendettas get BS 4.
Fateweaver can choose result on Warpstorm Table.
Assault Terminators get 5th edition Heroic Intervention rules.
Blood angel rhinos are assault vehicles.
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The plural of codex is codexes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 03:56:38
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Leman Russ punisher becomes AP 3 (The Gatling gun that is).
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Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
The Empire : ~60-70 models.
1500 pts
: My Salamanders painting blog 16 Infantry and 2 Vehicles done so far! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 03:58:38
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Heroic Senior Officer
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FW Artillery Carriages can pivot
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 04:49:01
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Dakka Veteran
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Riptides gain Hit-and-Run
(also EW, just because).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 04:59:47
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Broadsides get Relentless
Tau skimmers become Fast vehicles.
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 05:04:53
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Douglas Bader
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IG punisher cannons become STR D AP 1.
Changes nothing. As non-vehicle models they already have a 360* firing arc (or, to be more precise, have no rules at all about limited firing arcs) so pivoting them would just be an aesthetic change.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 06:08:05
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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DogofWar1 wrote:Riptides gain Hit-and-Run
(also EW, just because).
Only one rule bud, or it ruins the fun.
Peregrine wrote:IG punisher cannons become STR D AP 1.
You know, i've never had the chance to sit down and read up on apocalypse items. What's the basic gist of STR D?
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"There is a cancer eating at the Imperium. With each decade it advances deeper, leaving drained, dead worlds in its wake. This horror, this abomination, has thought and purpose that functions on an unimaginable, galactic scale and all we can do is try to stop the swarms of bioengineered monsters it unleashes upon us by instinct. We have given the horror a name to salve our fears; we call it the Tyranid race, but if is aware of us at all it must know us only as Prey."
Hive Fleet Grootslang 15000+
Servants of the Void 2000+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 06:16:29
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Give every race unique movement again.
Humans, Tau, Orks, Necrons and Marines: 4.
Eldar and Dark Eldar: 5.
Tyranids and Daemons: 6.
All MC: 6.
We've tried this in games and it really makes the games a lot more tactical.
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Mr Mystery wrote:Suffice to say, if any of this is actually true, then clearly Elvis is hiding behind my left testicle, and Lord Lucan behind the right. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 07:09:04
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
In Warp Transit to next battlefield location, Destination Unknown
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Give all HQ choices in all army lists access to Vortex Grenades again.
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Cowards will be shot! Survivors will be shot again!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 07:56:10
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Dakka Veteran
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Unyielding Hunger wrote:You know, i've never had the chance to sit down and read up on apocalypse items. What's the basic gist of STR D?
It changed somewhat recently, but it's basically a weapon that ignores ALL saves (cover, armor, invulnerable), causes instant death (even on models that have EW), and auto-penetrates a vehicle, at worst (a roll of 1 just causes a penetrating hit).
How about...give all Conscripts the Smash rule? Strength 6 AP 2 "tank-hunting" 4-point models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 08:02:44
Subject: Re:Add One To Break One...
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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Drop pods count as assault vehicles that you can assault from after deep strike.
Or combi guns work for both gun types all the time not just the one shot.
Finally UM chapter tactics for tactical reads: "All UM squads in this detachment have all of their weapons twin linked including close combat weapons for this turn"
Any one of those would be pretty good for Marines.
'Nids would be Carniflexes may be taken in a squad from 1-3.
Orks would be BS5 rather than 2!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 08:24:12
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Executing Exarch
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Banshees get assault grenades.
All eldar can bring any vehicle from codex eldar or dark eldar.
Banshees become viable.
Autarch gets to make an aspect troops.
Eldar get a web way gate.
Chaos get icons of no scattering back.
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 08:40:54
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Huge Hierodule
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Helbrute gets daemon and it will not die
CSM Sorcerers get access to divination
CSM get drop pod or other flying transport
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was censored by the ministry of truth |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 09:14:03
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Executing Exarch
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Demonic possession confers the demon rule.
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 09:48:52
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Regular Dakkanaut
West Browmich/Walsall West Midlands
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+1
that would be funny- my forgefiends are already known for being jammy on their invulnerable saves etc if it were on vindicators the trolling would be even worse!
the one rule I would like back, hmmm...
make grenades hit walkers on 6s in CC it would actually make walkers useful again, ah the fun times when a dread makes an enemy run off in terror
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A humble member of the Warlords Of Walsall.
Warmahordes:
Cryx- epic filth
Khador: HERE'S BUTCHER!!!
GW: IG: ABG, Dark Eldar , Tau Black Templars.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 10:15:18
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Furious Raptor
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Marks of Chaos no longer being limited to one per model could mix up the Chaos codex alright. Mark of Slaanesh and Khorne on a unit would really trick a unit out.
And how about our own version of Abaddon with all four marks, a sigil (3++ with the mark of tzeentch), Axe of Blind Fury and a Juggernaut(Six toughness with four wounds!)?
Overall though, allowing players a minimum charge distance of 6 inches, regardless of the dice rolls, would completely change the game I think. The random rolls would be much more beneficial that way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 10:21:58
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Executing Exarch
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Art_of_war wrote:
+1
that would be funny- my forgefiends are already known for being jammy on their invulnerable saves etc if it were on vindicators the trolling would be even worse!
the one rule I would like back, hmmm...
make grenades hit walkers on 6s in CC it would actually make walkers useful again, ah the fun times when a dread makes an enemy run off in terror 
If you could buy a ++ save for a spartan....
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 10:28:35
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Helldrake baleflamer ap2.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 10:35:53
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Executing Exarch
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Giving Maugan-Ra, the Phoenix Lord of the Dark reapers his own reaper range finder.
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 14:26:49
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Peregrine wrote:IG punisher cannons become STR D AP 1.
Changes nothing. As non-vehicle models they already have a 360* firing arc (or, to be more precise, have no rules at all about limited firing arcs) so pivoting them would just be an aesthetic change.
Wait whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 14:57:41
Subject: Re:Add One To Break One...
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Brigadier General
The new Sick Man of Europe
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Deathwing command squads get the FNP banner for 25pts and can take up to 5 more terminators.
Ravenwing attack squadran cost as much as SM bikers.
Rhinos get assualt vehicle.
demolisher cannon is immune to weapon destroyed.
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DC:90+S+G++MB++I--Pww211+D++A++/fWD390R++T(F)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 15:48:40
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Sister Vastly Superior
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Grey knights get reanimation protocols. On everything.
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I collect:
Guard - 2k of mostly infantry
DA - 2k of deathwing, 2k of other bits (no vehicles)
Sisters - mostly converted/proxy because I'm waiting for therange to go plastic.
Tau - 2k with no riptides because I can. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 17:00:02
Subject: Re:Add One To Break One...
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
A small, damp hole somewhere in England
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Land raiders become flyers
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Follow the White Scars Fifth Brotherhood as they fight in the Yarov sector - battle report #7 against Eldar here! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 17:20:42
Subject: Re:Add One To Break One...
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Brigadier General
The new Sick Man of Europe
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DC:90+S+G++MB++I--Pww211+D++A++/fWD390R++T(F)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 17:51:04
Subject: Add One To Break One...
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Gangly Grot Rebel
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Peregrine wrote:IG punisher cannons become STR D AP 1.
Changes nothing. As non-vehicle models they already have a 360* firing arc (or, to be more precise, have no rules at all about limited firing arcs) so pivoting them would just be an aesthetic change.
Lasguns get STR D AP 1
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I can see it now....Nids are now a collection of autonomous hive fleets there are multiple Hive Minds and they all war with one another in addition to everyone else. They speak to humans using telepathy, and they can now ally with Space Wolves as battle brothers, because reasons.
Tyranids talking to humans would be like you talking to your mashed potatoes or the probiotic in your kiefer drink. It is neither possible nor productive. Inside my mind I pinched my nipples and savored his bitter silence.
DT:90S+++G+++MB++IPw40k10#+D++A+++/hWD-R++T(T)DM+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/26 17:52:49
Subject: Re:Add One To Break One...
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Dakka Veteran
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One thing I will say is that GW has shown good restraint on keeping flyers AV12, with a max of 3 HP. What will be interesting is what happens when all armies have been updated and everyone gets their own special anti-air tools. Will the current batch of flyers need to be buffed to keep pace, resulting in AV13 flyers, and some HP4 flyers?
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