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An attempt at Night Lord'ing up my Khorne Bezerkers, while still attempting to keep them looking like Khorne Bezerkers any way i can improve, feedback highly appreciated

kind of bad pics i know, will update with a full army topic with better pictures when i have more units done.. D: also sorry for sideways pictures, dont know why they keep doing that..

You do know Knight lords despies followers of chaos goods right... I doubt Zerkes woul ever be with Night lords.

You know nobody cares if it fits the fluff right..... I doubt that with something that looks that nice, he'd care. Good job, I like the lightning.

Well if you want to get fluff technical, the night lords claim that but since disbanding into many smaller groups it's not very uncommon to see them fighting with the worshipers of chaos, even on Abbadon's crusade, which even if they ended up bailing after stealing some of Badab's ships - you gonna tell me there wasn't plenty of worshipping there? :p

But alas I didn't intend to defend their fluff lol. I wanted to use Khorne Bezerkers in tabletop with my nightlords army, and this was the result thanks Feasible!

 SheSpits wrote:
You do know Knight lords despies followers of chaos goods right... I doubt Zerkes woul ever be with Night lords.

The Exalted, Uzas and Cyrion of First Claw would argue with this point

At this point in the 40k timeline, all of the warbands are so splintered and fractured and so much time has been spent in the warp that falling to one of the 4 gods of chaos wouldn't be unheard of.

Looks pretty cool, also as others have stated fluffwise you are fine, hell I remember a story about the Night Lords launching a raid on some planet near Terra that housed a bunch of Imperial Schools. It says that after the Night Lords killed everything they took the bodies from both sides and erected Deamon portals to destroy the planet further. Pretty Chaosy

They don't cry out Night Lords to me. Just seems like some bezerkers with a bit of lightning on them, though that's probably because when someone say night lords, red armor doesn't come to mind.

The painting is still nicely done though, good job.

Zotac1992 wrote:
Well if you want to get fluff technical, the night lords claim that but since disbanding into many smaller groups it's not very uncommon to see them fighting with the worshipers of chaos, even on Abbadon's crusade, which even if they ended up bailing after stealing some of Badab's ships - you gonna tell me there wasn't plenty of worshipping there? :p

But alas I didn't intend to defend their fluff lol. I wanted to use Khorne Bezerkers in tabletop with my nightlords army, and this was the result thanks Feasible!

In Lord Of The Night there is a giant Night Lord warband that arrives from a single Night Lord signal on a hive world. That Night Lord is disgusted when he finds they are all devoted to Khorne, and have eschewed the old ways of the legion. In fact, most of the remaining legion is like that now - tempted to devote their lives to the dark gods in favour of more power.

Anyways, back on topic, I'm loving those Berserkers! pretty simple colour scheme, yet it still makes them instantly recognisable as Night Lords. Great job!

I didn't want to paint their armor blue scarecrow as just doesnt seem right for bezerkers, that's why i tried to make the weapons blue and some lighting on there armor. But I have 12 more that need to be assembled and painted, ill try to make them night lords colors more

and thanks for the kind words guys, any tips on how i can improve would be greatly appreciated as well

I'd go for a shoulder pad in blue, maybe the helmet. That would make people think those zerkers are different

In the 4th ed chaos codex iirc, there were some zerkers painted with a black legion theme - helmet, shoulder pad and part of the torso. I thought that looked effective.

 PredaKhaine wrote:
I'd go for a shoulder pad in blue, maybe the helmet. That would make people think those zerkers are different

In the 4th ed chaos codex iirc, there were some zerkers painted with a black legion theme - helmet, shoulder pad and part of the torso. I thought that looked effective.

I 2nd this. Use the NIghtlord colors on the shoulder pads. That should make them stand out enough as night lords.

Hmm shoulders sounds like a good idea, maybe the head too.. I'll experiment with it when I get the next batch assembled and begin to paint

Agree with the above; the only rule for berserkers to live by is to get more skulls, and who cares what color they're dressed in!

 Alfndrate wrote:

 SheSpits wrote:
You do know Knight lords despies followers of chaos goods right... I doubt Zerkes woul ever be with Night lords.

The Exalted, Uzas and Cyrion of First Claw would argue with this point

At this point in the 40k timeline, all of the warbands are so splintered and fractured and so much time has been spent in the warp that falling to one of the 4 gods of chaos wouldn't be unheard of.

*Urkel voice* Uh...point of order: Uzas would absolutely agree with that point. He never (consciously) venerated any Chaos god. He took a very Conan view about it. (If Khorne wants to bless me, then fine. If not, then to hell with him.)



But on the real, while Talos and many Night Lords disdain those who fawn and toady to the Ruinous Powers, many of the Night Lords do anyway. If there's one thing that can be said for forces of Chaos, it's that they are totally unpredictable, and there's no reason you might not find a few dozen Khorne berserkers in one of their warbands. (Or working WITH one of their warbands.) Right on, brother!

Zotac1992 wrote:
Well if you want to get fluff technical, the night lords claim that but since disbanding into many smaller groups it's not very uncommon to see them fighting with the worshipers of chaos, even on Abbadon's crusade, which even if they ended up bailing after stealing some of Badab's ships - you gonna tell me there wasn't plenty of worshipping there? :p

But alas I didn't intend to defend their fluff lol. I wanted to use Khorne Bezerkers in tabletop with my nightlords army, and this was the result thanks Feasible!

Of course. That would make the berserkers from the *other* legion. You're narrowly missing the best way to play Night Lords: As allies with something else. The thing is you just need to actually paint the berserkers as belonging to the other legion.


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Fisher001 wrote:
Agree with the above; the only rule for berserkers to live by is to get more skulls, and who cares what color they're dressed in!

The legion employing them.

 Quarterdime wrote:

Zotac1992 wrote:
Well if you want to get fluff technical, the night lords claim that but since disbanding into many smaller groups it's not very uncommon to see them fighting with the worshipers of chaos, even on Abbadon's crusade, which even if they ended up bailing after stealing some of Badab's ships - you gonna tell me there wasn't plenty of worshipping there? :p

But alas I didn't intend to defend their fluff lol. I wanted to use Khorne Bezerkers in tabletop with my nightlords army, and this was the result thanks Feasible!

Of course. That would make the berserkers from the *other* legion. You're narrowly missing the best way to play Night Lords: As allies with something else. The thing is you just need to actually paint the berserkers as belonging to the other legion.


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Fisher001 wrote:
Agree with the above; the only rule for berserkers to live by is to get more skulls, and who cares what color they're dressed in!

The legion employing them.

They were painted as another legion.. they are clearly not Night Lords colors, I mearly added lightning bolts to give them a touch of nightlords. And I'm not going to use my night lords as an allied force to a different legion just because it'd match fluff..

Zotac1992 wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:

Zotac1992 wrote:
Well if you want to get fluff technical, the night lords claim that but since disbanding into many smaller groups it's not very uncommon to see them fighting with the worshipers of chaos, even on Abbadon's crusade, which even if they ended up bailing after stealing some of Badab's ships - you gonna tell me there wasn't plenty of worshipping there? :p

But alas I didn't intend to defend their fluff lol. I wanted to use Khorne Bezerkers in tabletop with my nightlords army, and this was the result thanks Feasible!

Of course. That would make the berserkers from the *other* legion. You're narrowly missing the best way to play Night Lords: As allies with something else. The thing is you just need to actually paint the berserkers as belonging to the other legion.


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Fisher001 wrote:
Agree with the above; the only rule for berserkers to live by is to get more skulls, and who cares what color they're dressed in!

The legion employing them.

They were painted as another legion.. they are clearly not Night Lords colors, I mearly added lightning bolts to give them a touch of nightlords. And I'm not going to use my night lords as an allied force to a different legion just because it'd match fluff..

It doesn't really matter, you are fluff correct regardless. Like I said before, a Black Library novel has a bit describing some completely crazed and bloodthirsty Night Lord soldiers (they were raptors, but they still define Khorne Bezerkers, so I'm pretty sure they will exist). And to top it off, there is a Khorne Deamon Prince Night Lord.

still, just get the shoulder pads done!

General Annoyance wrote:

Zotac1992 wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:

Zotac1992 wrote:
Well if you want to get fluff technical, the night lords claim that but since disbanding into many smaller groups it's not very uncommon to see them fighting with the worshipers of chaos, even on Abbadon's crusade, which even if they ended up bailing after stealing some of Badab's ships - you gonna tell me there wasn't plenty of worshipping there? :p

But alas I didn't intend to defend their fluff lol. I wanted to use Khorne Bezerkers in tabletop with my nightlords army, and this was the result thanks Feasible!

Of course. That would make the berserkers from the *other* legion. You're narrowly missing the best way to play Night Lords: As allies with something else. The thing is you just need to actually paint the berserkers as belonging to the other legion.


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Fisher001 wrote:
Agree with the above; the only rule for berserkers to live by is to get more skulls, and who cares what color they're dressed in!

The legion employing them.

They were painted as another legion.. they are clearly not Night Lords colors, I mearly added lightning bolts to give them a touch of nightlords. And I'm not going to use my night lords as an allied force to a different legion just because it'd match fluff..

It doesn't really matter, you are fluff correct regardless. Like I said before, a Black Library novel has a bit describing some completely crazed and bloodthirsty Night Lord soldiers (they were raptors, but they still define Khorne Bezerkers, so I'm pretty sure they will exist). And to top it off, there is a Khorne Deamon Prince Night Lord.

still, just get the shoulder pads done!

Any idea which one that was? I would be interested in reading it aha yeah I'll get on it in at some point haha. One question, does paint apply the same on a varnish? If anyone knows, as I've already layered them

That book is called Lord Of The Night. No idea if Black Library still sells it - it's quite old - but look on eBay

By layering do you mean you have already applied the varnish? If so, then that's a no no! Varnish goes on the end, but it should be completely fine to paint over if it's not too thick

Hmm alright I will have to do that then

And yeah I applied the varnish already because I was playing some games with them yesterday so I applied the varnish the night before, and whether or not any minor chips / rubbing or scratching would occur or not I didn't wanna risk it :p

Zotac1992 wrote:
Hmm alright I will have to do that then

And yeah I applied the varnish already because I was playing some games with them yesterday so I applied the varnish the night before, and whether or not any minor chips / rubbing or scratching would occur or not I didn't wanna risk it :p

I wouldn't worry about chipping. It's never happened to me and I'm quite clumsy sometimes. Take care of your miniatures and they will take care of you on the field . Other than that varnish is nice to make stuff as flashy as a flash git

I just did it for the protection, on buddy's table units falling down hills isn't a rare thing to happen xD it's a matte varnish finish so they aren't all shiny like I just waxed all there armor

Zotac1992 wrote:
I just did it for the protection, on buddy's table units falling down hills isn't a rare thing to happen xD it's a matte varnish finish so they aren't all shiny like I just waxed all there armor

Well in that case, you should have little problem painting over them .

Don't complain about rolling down hills - extra movement always helps

General Annoyance wrote:
That book is called Lord Of The Night. No idea if Black Library still sells it - it's quite old - but look on eBay

Black library have it as 'print on demand' and as an ebook - The NL's name is Kreig Acerbus. Its a good book, showing both sides of the legion again

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/Lord-of-the-Night-print-on-demand.html

I have read the Night Lords Trilogy. I haven't read Lord of the Night. And here's what makes sense to me:

The Night Lords, as a broken legion, lack any overarching structure preventing their leaders from doing whatever they want. While the lower ranking members answer to each other, and there is still a general consensus that chaos should not be tolerated, if the leader does it there's no one to hold him accountable, and so they do as they please.

This leaves no room for Khorne berserkers. Their worship is open and organized. Cyrion hid his gift from his brothers the entire time, and Uzas was shunned, nearly executed, and then executed for it. Remember, Uzas did not die in battle, he was killed by his own brother over distrust.


EDIT: I forgot to mention the Raptors. They hid their mutations from their brothers as well. Furthermore, there is a discrepancy here. General mutation is different from chaos worship. If they're warped over time but never actually offer themselves to chaos, they are tolerated. Lastly, I forgot to mention that even Uzas was not a berserker. He was a CSM with a Mark of Khorne. So the above argument for Uzas, and that's put towards a regular CSM with the Mark of Khorne. Berserkers are out of the question.

So Kreig Acerbus - the Night Lords demon prince who leads one of the largest NL warbands is shunned by the rest of the legion?

Would Uzas have been shunned if he'd been in a squad where they'd all fallen to khorne for a while?

Whats non-fluffy about a night lord using something he shouldn't really to get ahead?

The Night Lords Trilogy is written by one auther (ADB)
His story is his story. Other writers have portrayed if differently. He even has other characters arguing with Talos throughout his books on the direction the Night Lords under Talos's eventual command. Xarl called him idealistic and even says 'it didn't happen like that' and 'when did we fight with honour?'
(Paraphrased, badly)

What is non-Night Lordy about using rules to take advantage of situations?

Look at the new SM dex - they have legion chapter rules.
Look at the CSM dex - we have warbands. Warbands can do whatever they like - if a squad of NL join a Khorne warband, there's nothing to stop them khorning.

 PredaKhaine wrote:
So Kreig Acerbus - the Night Lords demon prince who leads one of the largest NL warbands is shunned by the rest of the legion?

Would Uzas have been shunned if he'd been in a squad where they'd all fallen to khorne for a while?

Whats non-fluffy about a night lord using something he shouldn't really to get ahead?

The Night Lords Trilogy is written by one auther (ADB)
His story is his story. Other writers have portrayed if differently. He even has other characters arguing with Talos throughout his books on the direction the Night Lords under Talos's eventual command. Xarl called him idealistic and even says 'it didn't happen like that' and 'when did we fight with honour?'
(Paraphrased, badly)

What is non-Night Lordy about using rules to take advantage of situations?

Look at the new SM dex - they have legion chapter rules.
Look at the CSM dex - we have warbands. Warbands can do whatever they like - if a squad of NL join a Khorne warband, there's nothing to stop them khorning.

I'm glad you didn't listen to the first part of my comment. That really makes things easier on me. There's no one to hold the leader accountable. And the leader can't be shunned since he's running things. And Uzas would not have been shunned if he had been in a group. He'd be killed. With the rest of them. By the other Night Lords. The conflict that Talos had with his legion wasn't about chaos at all. It seemed to be understood and followed by all, except the leaders.

 Quarterdime wrote:

 PredaKhaine wrote:
So Kreig Acerbus - the Night Lords demon prince who leads one of the largest NL warbands is shunned by the rest of the legion?

Would Uzas have been shunned if he'd been in a squad where they'd all fallen to khorne for a while?

Whats non-fluffy about a night lord using something he shouldn't really to get ahead?

The Night Lords Trilogy is written by one auther (ADB)
His story is his story. Other writers have portrayed if differently. He even has other characters arguing with Talos throughout his books on the direction the Night Lords under Talos's eventual command. Xarl called him idealistic and even says 'it didn't happen like that' and 'when did we fight with honour?'
(Paraphrased, badly)

What is non-Night Lordy about using rules to take advantage of situations?

Look at the new SM dex - they have legion chapter rules.
Look at the CSM dex - we have warbands. Warbands can do whatever they like - if a squad of NL join a Khorne warband, there's nothing to stop them khorning.

I'm glad you didn't listen to the first part of my comment. That really makes things easier on me. There's no one to hold the leader accountable. And the leader can't be shunned since he's running things. And Uzas would not have been shunned if he had been in a group. He'd be killed. With the rest of them. By the other Night Lords. The conflict that Talos had with his legion wasn't about chaos at all. It seemed to be understood and followed by all, except the leaders.

I'm sorry I didn't listen either. Normally I read. I'll try listening to you next time
So - at what point do your fluff predjudice's become relevant to what the op is doing on the tabletop?

He has a warband. Some of his night lords have become berzerkers. It can happen.
Uzas was shunned in one warband - there is nothing to say that he would be shunned in another

PS:You started your post by saying - ...I haven't read the book people were on about, but here's my opinion anyway.

 Quarterdime wrote:
...... I haven't read Lord of the Night. And here's what makes sense to me:

 PredaKhaine wrote:
So Kreig Acerbus - the Night Lords
So - at what point do your fluff predjudice's become relevant to what the op is doing on the tabletop?

He has a warband. Some of his night lords have become berzerkers. It can happen.
Uzas was shunned in one warband - there is nothing to say that he would be shunned in another

PS:You started your post by saying - I haven't read the book people were on about, but here's my opinion anyway.

I said I had read three out of the four books people were on about. Maybe you meant to say "you" instead of "people".

It can happen for Night Lords to become berserkers. But it doesn't. That's the point.

To be honest OP hasn't been very specific about the narrative of his models.

What legion are the Khorne Beserkers if not Night Lords? If they aren't Night Lords, then why paint them as such? If they are, then welcome back to the original discussion.

 Quarterdime wrote:


It can happen for Night Lords to become berserkers. But it doesn't. That's the point.

Thats where we disagree - it can/does and has.

The only legions I'd be surprised to find berzerkers worshipping khorne in are the death guard, the thousand sons and the emporers children. Any other legion is fair game.