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 Davespil wrote:
$50 for a few pages of rules is ridiculous. I can find pictures of well painted models all over the internet and if your buying this for fluff you are waaaaaayyyyyyyyy over paying. At most it has like 20-30 pages of fluff? A 300 page novel goes for like $10 these days (I have no idea how much GW charges for their novels but I bet they're way over priced as well). Who's buying this stuff? Someone must be because they keep churning this crap out.

Is this the new Matt Ward arguments? It keeps popping up every single supplement.

This just in GW products are expensive, more on this story and weather at 11:00.

 Davespil wrote:
$50 for a few pages of rules is ridiculous. I can find pictures of well painted models all over the internet and if your buying this for fluff you are waaaaaayyyyyyyyy over paying. At most it has like 20-30 pages of fluff? A 300 page novel goes for like $10 these days (I have no idea how much GW charges for their novels but I bet they're way over priced as well). Who's buying this stuff? Someone must be because they keep churning this crap out.

If you 'just' want the rules then yes these are overpriced

if you want all the content including background and art and painted minis they may be overpriced or they may not be (your mileage may vary)

(as to novels.. if you can't get a discount via Amazon or similar, brand new hardbacks are £25, Trade paperbacks £18, Mass Market paperbacks £8, but you can pick up ebooks for free, some are good but many are terrible. Depending on how much I want the book I'll buy at all of these price points, again your mileage my vary)

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Sentinels-of-Terra.html

If you joined us at Games Day this week, you’ll know that we announced our next Codex Supplement. If you weren’t there, we can now spill the beans on what it’s all about.
Sentinels of Terra is the first supplement for the new Codex: Space Marines and focuses on the 3rd Company of the Imperial Fists Chapter. It is full of new background and artwork on the stoic Imperial Fists. It also includes loads of new rules such as new Warlord Traits, new characters, Chapter Relics, Apocalypse formations and army wide rules. Sentinels of Terra will be released later this month, both as an interactive edition for iPads, and as an eBook for your phone, tablet and eReader.

We’ll be announcing more details about this product as the month goes on, but for now, take a gander at the absolutely stunning cover art of an Imperial Fists Tactical Marine dishing out Imperial justice to the Emperor’s foes.

There's also some more info about how powerfists work etc etc blah blah ...




and some free wallpapers ....

.. have a sit down so you don't get too excited !

Strange that it's more focused on just the 3rd Company.

Any word on a release date for this? Or did I miss it posted somewhere?

It is probably focused on one company as a narrative function only. I dont think the rules will be "If you field a detachment of the Imperial Fists 3rd Company..."

The one real mis-step I see in these books is a complete lack of painting guides. It's nice seeing painted minis and all, but as has been said, I can loads of them right here, most of them better painted than 'eavy metal, but a lot of it is beyond my skill level.

Why is it I have to do a frigging internet trawl just to determine what the base red to use for Farsight, rather than a basic painting guide being in the $50 supplement, kind of like how 4th ed codexes had.

Considering Imperial Fists, yellow is very difficult to paint, and I'm sure newcomers would love to see a basic guide on how to get half-decent yellows for their entirely yellow army.

GW has a free paint guide that shows just that.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
GW has a free paint guide that shows just that.

Basic colours for a few specific groups, mostly to advertise their painting system. They don't have free paint guides. Regardless, it's an area that supplements should actually cover if they're supposed to be "hobby gold," because they certainly don't provide any information on painting, conversions, techniques or anything, just some pictures of painted models.

Via the digital FB page...

if they get more "likes" then we get teased with more pages.

https://www.facebook.com/GamesWorkshopDigitalEditions?hc_location=stream

Says a lot that they've got a basic grammar error in a teaser picture. Attention to detail, they lack it.

I must admit I don't understand why its a single Company and not the whole Chapter - its a bit like doing just the "Howling Banshees of Iyanden".

The same is rumoured about the Iron Hands....

So we have Supplements on:

A entire Craftworld and its armies
A significant chunk of a minor Xenos Empire
The entire Adepta Sororitas
The Black Legion

Then one on a Single company of about 100 Marines - wierd - next they will do mutiple Companies within the same Chapter who can all ally with each other........

 Mr Morden wrote:
I must admit I don't understand why its a single Company and not the whole Chapter - its a bit like doing just the "Howling Banshees of Iyanden".

The same is rumoured about the Iron Hands....

So we have Supplements on:

A entire Craftworld and its armies
A significant chunk of a minor Xenos Empire
The entire Adepta Sororitas
The Black Legion

Then one on a Single company of about 100 Marines - wierd - next they will do mutiple Companies within the same Chapter who can all ally with each other........

The supplements are all about a specific (series) of events detailed in some 5 to 7 narrative missions - The Nid Invasion of Iyanden, the Farsight breakaway, etc... Frankly, these supplements are the spiritual successor to Crusade of Fire more than anything else.

If there's a good battle that only has .. dunno .. Maugan Ra .. than it will probably be Codex Supplement Maugan Ra. If they wanna do, dunno, the Badab War, it'll be Codex Supplement "20 Space Marine Chapters and a Billion Imperial Guard".

People shouldn't get so hung up on the fictional numbers of a fictional organisation in a fictional universe. If you wan't your Imperial Fist Third Company to be a Quadrizillion Space Marines strong, do it. Not gonna make a difference, does it? Fictional numbers are irrelevant. It's the story that counts.

Ha! Additional Centurions. Extra Heavy Support Slots for tank hunting devastators would be fluffier and/or some rules regarding specialist siege units.

But no, have to sell the new shiny.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I must admit I don't understand why its a single Company and not the whole Chapter - its a bit like doing just the "Howling Banshees of Iyanden".

The same is rumoured about the Iron Hands....

So we have Supplements on:

A entire Craftworld and its armies
A significant chunk of a minor Xenos Empire
The entire Adepta Sororitas
The Black Legion

Then one on a Single company of about 100 Marines - wierd - next they will do mutiple Companies within the same Chapter who can all ally with each other........

I predict: Supplement: Marneus Calgar

As a heads up it goes up for pre-order on the 19th so its likely to be released on 10/26. Figured I'd throw it out there.

 Zweischneid wrote:

The supplements are all about a specific (series) of events detailed in some 5 to 7 narrative missions - The Nid Invasion of Iyanden, the Farsight breakaway, etc... Frankly, these supplements are the spiritual successor to Crusade of Fire more than anything else.

If there's a good battle that only has .. dunno .. Maugan Ra .. than it will probably be Codex Supplement Maugan Ra. If they wanna do, dunno, the Badab War, it'll be Codex Supplement "20 Space Marine Chapters and a Billion Imperial Guard".

People shouldn't get so hung up on the fictional numbers of a fictional organisation in a fictional universe. If you wan't your Imperial Fist Third Company to be a Quadrizillion Space Marines strong, do it. Not gonna make a difference, does it? Fictional numbers are irrelevant. It's the story that counts.

While it's true that each supplement was based on an event or series of events (albeit a really looooong drawn out series in terms of the Black Legion, and honestly mostly on a technicality since the sheer scope of "every Abaddon Black Crusade" is ludicrously bigger than the other supplements), it's also true that each supplement is based on an organization that could be considered its own "entity", which the Third Company is generally not (for the most part), being just a part of a larger being (Imperial Fists). As pointed out above, the fact that supplements can ally as separate forces also goes with this spirit. With this codex, if it can ally like every other supplement can, we can now have the silliness of a company allying with another company of its own chapter.

At least people seem excited about the rules so far, though, and the fluff could always be good. It's just strange how they have a supplement for a part of an entity when a supplement for a different non-First-Founding Space Marine chapter could have had all the same things (fluff, rules, crusade of fire-ish stuff) while still sticking to the traditional "each supplement is about a separate entity" thing.

As an aside, the Badab War already has its own series. It takes up 2 entire books, along with 2 "new" playable armies (Tyrant's Legion and Marine Siege Assault Force). Though... you probably already know that.


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 Shandara wrote:


I predict: Supplement: Marneus Calgar

Hopefully not. They're already releasing a series of fluff books that focus on individuals (The Warlords of the 40th Millenium series). Hell, they're releasing a series of books that focus on individual WEAPONS, for crying out loud, but now I'm getting off topic.

I hope Crimson Fists players will be able to use the Warlord Traits, I mean I would guess most other second founding IF armies would (other than BT.)

Just as I get ready to build a detachment of IF for my IG army they come out with a supplement. I suppose I shall wait to see If I can pull off any cool ally combos.

If Sergeant Garadon is a new unit entry, hopefully that sets precedent for future supplements to actually include new characters. I was disappointed the Iyanden supplement didn't include rules for Iyanna.

Edit: Also, I find it a bit strange that GW has announced an Iron Fists supplement due out in November. Don't they realize most Space Marine players will wait to see which supplement has better rules before purchasing either of them?

 Oaka wrote:
Don't they realize most Space Marine players will wait to see which supplement has better rules before purchasing either of them?

Nope. You're just supposed to shell out $50 every time they pop out a new suppliment regardless of the fact that it has only a few rules, no painting guide, and some recycled fluff. It's like they're begging us to get a copy of the new rules in .pdf format!


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Davespil wrote:
$50 for a few pages of rules is ridiculous. I can find pictures of well painted models all over the internet and if your buying this for fluff you are waaaaaayyyyyyyyy over paying. At most it has like 20-30 pages of fluff? A 300 page novel goes for like $10 these days (I have no idea how much GW charges for their novels but I bet they're way over priced as well). Who's buying this stuff? Someone must be because they keep churning this crap out.

Is this the new Matt Ward arguments? It keeps popping up every single supplement.

Because it's silly people are paying $50 simply for a few extra rules. What else are they really getting? A codex (which goes for the same price) consists of an army list, a complete description of the of each unit and all of its special rules, an army list, a wargear section, and a table summarizing all unit and weapon stats for a WHOLE ARMY. How can they be the same price? You still need the codex to run the suppliment!

 Oaka wrote:
If Sergeant Garadon is a new unit entry, hopefully that sets precedent for future supplements to actually include new characters. I was disappointed the Iyanden supplement didn't include rules for Iyanna.

The Farsight supplement already beat this one to introducing new characters. I think some folks forget that there were seven new characters introduced in that supplement. Sure, they were bodyguards, and couldn't be taken as an HQ choice, but they were definitely new characters all the same.

 Oaka wrote:
If Sergeant Garadon is a new unit entry, hopefully that sets precedent...

The only precedent being set is the one where not all the rules for one army are in a single book.

We had that already. It was called 3rd Ed, and it was a nightmare.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Oaka wrote:
If Sergeant Garadon is a new unit entry, hopefully that sets precedent...

The only precedent being set is the one where not all the rules for one army are in a single book.

We had that already. It was called 3rd Ed, and it was a nightmare.

I have to agree.

But much like the changes to BL, I think this version 'works' for GW, and if the sales are there...this is what we'll be having to deal with for the foreseeable future.

as long as your opponent has the rulebook, where's the problem?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Oaka wrote:
If Sergeant Garadon is a new unit entry, hopefully that sets precedent...

The only precedent being set is the one where not all the rules for one army are in a single book.

We had that already. It was called 3rd Ed, and it was a nightmare.

It seems to have worked for Forge World well enough throughout 4th and 5th Edition too, publishing extra rules for IG, Marines, Tau, etc.. in separate books (that are far more expensive than those GW supplements).

But when the GW studio does it it, it's suddenly apostasy?

Who said that?

Are are we in Standard Internet Hyperbole Mode?

 Alpharius wrote:
Who said that?

Are are we in Standard Internet Hyperbole Mode?

Who said what?

1) That extra army rules outside the Codex only existed in 3rd and 6th?
2) That extra army rules outside the Codex existed in 4th and 5th as well, most notably with Forge World?
3) That extra army rules outside the Codex are "a nightmare"?

And which of the three above would you consider "hyperbole mode"?

 Zweischneid wrote:

2) That extra army rules outside the Codex existed in 4th and 5th as well, most notably with Forge World?

Don't forget WD rules for that eldar tank and the flyers. Might've been others. It wasn't unheard of even from GW.