Sentinels of Terra: SM Supplement - Out in Oct

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**Alpharius**

Zweischneid wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Who said that?

Are are we in Standard Internet Hyperbole Mode?

Who said what?

Who said this:

But when the GW studio does it it, it's suddenly apostasy?

Aside from you, of course!

**Zweischneid**

Alpharius wrote:
Zweischneid wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Who said that?

Are are we in Standard Internet Hyperbole Mode?

Who said what?

Who said this:

But when the GW studio does it it, it's suddenly apostasy?

Aside from you, of course!

That's not Hyperbole, that is a question, trying to confirm whether or not H.B.M.C.'s "Nightmare" statement was a critique of GW's Supplement Strategy, as it "sounded" a bit like one (though I wasn't sure), even though H.B.M.C. usually tends towards a positive opinion of Forge Worlds, whose entire existence is largely based on what he (possibly?) criticized in GW supplements.

Trying to ascertain unclear meanings through questions is not a rhetoric technique usually described as hyperbole, though I could be mistaken

**H.B.M.C.**

Please don't be so intentionally naive Zwei.

I already said what this situation is like - it's like 3rd Ed, where to have rules for a single army you sometimes needed three books, an FAQ and a couple of issues of WD. It's not a good precedent to return to.

**Alpharius**

Right.

Anyway, I wish Zweischneid would use his powers for good, rather than often going for the Swoop-n-Poop/Gasoline on Fire/Open Door, Lob Grenade, Close Door approach.

**The Grumpy Eldar**

DornsIntoFisting wrote:

This is probably Wrong. Chapter Tactics are Chapter tactics and its completely legal to take a "Counts as Lysander" alongside Pedro... you just have to pick which is the warlord. It would be extremely out of step with the rest of the game if they released a supplement and said "These rules apply to any Chapter Tactics Imperial Fists army (Except Crimson Fists because f*** that strawberry picking son of *****)"

Y...nope. No picking Lysander in a Crimson Fists list, or the other way around.

**dreadnova**

The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
DornsIntoFisting wrote:

This is probably Wrong. Chapter Tactics are Chapter tactics and its completely legal to take a "Counts as Lysander" alongside Pedro... you just have to pick which is the warlord. It would be extremely out of step with the rest of the game if they released a supplement and said "These rules apply to any Chapter Tactics Imperial Fists army (Except Crimson Fists because f*** that strawberry picking son of *****)"

Y...nope. No picking Lysander in a Crimson Fists list, or the other way around.

It says in the codex that they are so similar so they are fielded in the same detachment, hence if I happen to paint my Kantor yellow and rename him in my Imperial Fist list it is completely legal. Same as having both of them in the same list as they are the same detachment. There thematically is no such thing as a "crimson fists" or "imperial fists" list, just lists using those tactics, so rules wise there is no difference.

**xruslanx**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Please don't be so intentionally naive Zwei.

I already said what this situation is like - it's like 3rd Ed, where to have rules for a single army you sometimes needed three books, an FAQ and a couple of issues of WD. It's not a good precedent to return to.

Right. GW shouldn't release suppliental rules at all, then you can bash them in random threads for not releasing additional rules. Stupid GW!

**H.B.M.C.**

xruslanx wrote:
Right. GW shouldn't release suppliental rules at all, then you can bash them in random threads for not releasing additional rules. Stupid GW!

I'll parrot what was said to you in another thread:

Do you actually understand what a strawman is?

**schadenfreude**

Extra centurions meh, maybe if regular devs already filled the heavy slots.

Close range bolter drill sounds more useful than regular.

18 bolter drill shots is 14 hits instead of 12 for +2

close range it increases to 16 hits for +4

so if 18 bolters fire for three turns

2 at single tap one at close range=+8 for regular bolter drill +8 for close range.

2 At double tap one at single=+10 for regular +16 for close range.

For bolter scouts the math is even more in favor of close range bolter drill.

**Zweischneid**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Please don't be so intentionally naive Zwei.

I already said what this situation is like - it's like 3rd Ed, where to have rules for a single army you sometimes needed three books, an FAQ and a couple of issues of WD. It's not a good precedent to return to.

And I said what the situation is also like - it's like Forge World books (Imperial Armour) which also add rules that are not in the regular Codex. To name but one example, the Raven Guard 10th Company rules with the Jump Pack captain from Vraks are very, very, very similar to what you get in a GW Codex Supplement today. As are Eldar Corsair lists, etc...

Given the widespread praise for FW products, and their popularity, it does seem like a very good precedent to adopt by GW-studio.

Alpharius wrote:
Right.

Anyway, I wish Zweischneid would use his powers for good, rather than often going for the Swoop-n-Poop/Gasoline on Fire/Open Door, Lob Grenade, Close Door approach.

Right. Who de-railed the discussion on Codex Supplement similarities vs. 3rd Edition and/or Forge World supplements with a random "grenade" on perceived "hyperbole" that added nothing to the topic?

**reds8n**

from 40k radio, via warseer

raits:

1. Siege Lord: Your Warlord, and his unit add a +1 to the result when rolling on the Building Damage Table.
2. Tenacious Opponent: Your Warlord has the It will not Die special rule.
3. Wise Commander: Whilst your Warlord is alive, you can choose to add or subtract one from any of your Reserve Rolls(state which before the dice is rolled)
4. Indomitable: If your warlord and his unit do not move in their Movement phase, then he and his unit has Fearless and Counter-attack special rules until the start of their next turn.
5. Architect of War: Whilst your Warlord is embarked inside a building, all damage rolls against that building suffer a -1 penalty, to a minimum of 1.
6. Fleet Commander: Once per game, your Warlord can call down an orbital strike in his Shooting phase. This counts as firing a ranged weapon with the profile below. Range: Infinite, S: 10, AP: 1, Ordnance 1, Barrage, Large Blast, Orbital. Orbital: If an arrow is rolled on the scatter dice, the blast marker scatters the full 2D6" - the Warlord's Ballistic Kill makes no difference.

* If Lysander is your Warlord,then he has Champion of Humanity Warlord trait(see Codex: Space Marines)
*If another Model is your Warlord from the Sentinels of Terra detachment is your Warlord, you can either roll on the Warlord Traits table in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, or roll on the the table below.
Segeant Garadon is equipped with power armor, a power fist, frag grenades, krak grenades and the Spartean(Its a Relic of the 3rd Company).
Centurion Warsuits:

Centurion Devastator squads can be taken as elites choices as well as heavy support choices in a Sentinels of Terra detachment.
Centurion Assault squads can be taken as fast attack choices as well as elites choices in a Sentinels of Terra detachment.
Our new 3rd company special rule is "Close Ranged Bolter Drill".

Close Range Bolter Drill: Models with this rule re-roll all failed to hit rolls made with bolt pistols, bolt guns, storm bolters, heavy bolters or combi-weapons that are firing as bolt guns when firing at a target up to half the weapon's maximum range away. This rule does not apply to models firing Hellfire, Kraken, Vengeance or Dragonfire rounds.

**Alpharius**

Thanks for that informative post reds8n - much appreciated!

**Las**

Ugh, digital.

**Crimson**

So which units will get that close range bolter drill? All units in the army? Will it replace regular bolter drill? (Also, why GW hates Sternguard?)

**Henshini**

Thanks for the leaks! The relics will have to be really interesting to forgo the ones in the regular codex.

**Hulksmash**

Moving the Centuriouns to Elites is actually a pretty solid reason to take this supplement depending on your standard load out. That will allow you take still take a mix of Thunderfire's and Hunters in your heavy support. Not to shabby.

And yeah, the relics will be a big part of if this works or not.

**Crimson**

Can the relics be taken from either list, or is it Sentinels relics only in a Sentinel army?

**Henshini**

Based on what I know of the black legion supplement, Sentinels will only have access to sentinel relics, not codex relics.

**Crimson**

Henshini wrote:
Based on what I know of the black legion supplement, Sentinels will only have access to sentinel relics, not codex relics.

On the other hand Iyanden can take both their own relics and generic Eldar relics, although not on a same character.

**Davespil**

Zweischneid wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
I must admit I don't understand why its a single Company and not the whole Chapter - its a bit like doing just the "Howling Banshees of Iyanden".

The same is rumoured about the Iron Hands....

So we have Supplements on:

A entire Craftworld and its armies
A significant chunk of a minor Xenos Empire
The entire Adepta Sororitas
The Black Legion

Then one on a Single company of about 100 Marines - wierd - next they will do mutiple Companies within the same Chapter who can all ally with each other........

The supplements are all about a specific (series) of events detailed in some 5 to 7 narrative missions - The Nid Invasion of Iyanden, the Farsight breakaway, etc... Frankly, these supplements are the spiritual successor to Crusade of Fire more than anything else.

If there's a good battle that only has .. dunno .. Maugan Ra .. than it will probably be Codex Supplement Maugan Ra. If they wanna do, dunno, the Badab War, it'll be Codex Supplement "20 Space Marine Chapters and a Billion Imperial Guard".

People shouldn't get so hung up on the fictional numbers of a fictional organisation in a fictional universe. If you wan't your Imperial Fist Third Company to be a Quadrizillion Space Marines strong, do it. Not gonna make a difference, does it? Fictional numbers are irrelevant. It's the story that counts.

The story is irrelevent itself. It is fiction, has no relevenace to anyone but its fans, and should not keep the game from being fair, balanced, and fun to play (that is the job of GW rule writers). The rules are all that matter when playing the game.

On another topic, when is the Black Legion Supplement coming out in paperback?

**Alpharius**

Davespil wrote:

On another topic, when is the Black Legion Supplement coming out in paperback?

I'm not sure it will ever get a paperback release?

It might see hardcover eventually?

Or did the recent Eldar supplement get a softback release?

**Davespil**

Alpharius wrote:
Davespil wrote:

On another topic, when is the Black Legion Supplement coming out in paperback?

I'm not sure it will ever get a paperback release?

It might see hardcover eventually?

Or did the recent Eldar supplement get a softback release?

Sorry, I meant a hardcover paper release like the Iyanden codex.

**SickSix**

Ok, so who has go this thing? Spill the beans!

**Breotan**

SickSix wrote:
Ok, so who has go this thing? Spill the beans!

It isn't released until the 26th, so I'm thinking... no one?

**SickSix**

Breotan wrote:
SickSix wrote:
Ok, so who has go this thing? Spill the beans!
It isn't released until the 26th, so I'm thinking... no one?

Ah, my bad. Thought it was supposed to be out today.

**Matt1785**

It's up for pre-order today, I think ti's kind of... lame actually. The book is based around the Imperial Fist 3rd Company with Lysander? So it's based in the past.. but you play games within the current timeline in 40K? Seems like a bit of a stretch to me... So you're giving a COMPANY it's own supplement.

They are going to milk these supplements to death I'd wager.

**xruslanx**

yeah typical cynical gw giving hobbyists what they want.

**Matt1785**

I don't remember all the cries for an Imperial Fists 3rd company supplement, that seems like a fairly narrow market. When I saw Supplements such as...

Farsight Enclaves
Iyanden
Black Legion

It lead me to believe that they'd follow that same genre of actual large groups getting a nod, such as an entire Chapter getting a supplement. Breaking it up by Company seems like a stretch. Especially when you consider that the Imperial Fists already have chapter tactics in the vanilla book. Supplement - Imperial Fists makes sense, Supplement - Imperial Fists 3rd Company doesn't.

**Kirasu**

Yeah I don't really understand making a supplement just for a single company of space marines. I hope this book goes into detail about every single member since we're only talking about 100 whole space marines + support models.. At least Iyanden had hundreds of thousands of people in the craftworld I imagine.. not just 100 marines.

Either way, looks to be pretty cool but they really must not want to sell sternguard by making rules not apply to them. You'd think Pedro would perhaps train his sternguard a bit differently cause I find it hard to believe that loading your bolter with more expensive to produce ammo suddenly makes them to perform differently.

Once you become a veteran of the chapter you lose your ability to re-roll 1s with your chosen weapon!

**Lansirill**

From the leaked rules it seems like it's perfectly functional as a supplement to represent the entire Imperial Fists chapter. The fluff focuses around a single company because, hell, I guess that's what they felt like writing. Instead of giving snippets from all of the IF companies, they went into more depth on a single one... fine by me since we get plenty of snippets and vignettes from other sources. It's not all that much difference about how some chapters like the Crimson Fists get a reasonably detailed back story, while others are only a color scheme and a name.