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Hi all,

I've been trying to work out the competitive elements of a white scars army. Here is my take on it:

HQ:
Khan w/ Moondrakken - 150
Chapter Master w/ Bike, Artificer Armour, Bunring Blade, Eternal Warrior - 275

Troops:
Bike Squad w/ +5 men, 2 Meltaguns, Combi-Melta, Attack Bike: Multi-Melta - 253
Bike Squad w/ +5 men, 2 Meltaguns, Combi-Melta, Attack Bike: Multi-Melta - 253
Bike Squad w/ +2 men, 2 Grav Guns, Combi-Grav, Meltabombs - 150
Bike Squad w/ +2 men, 2 Grav Guns, Veteran Sargent, Power Lance, Meltabombs - 165

Fast Attack:
Stormtalon Gunship w/ Skyhammer Missiles - 125
Stormtalon Gunship w/ Skyhammer Missiles - 125

I would combat squad the full bike squads into 2 squads, one with sargent and attack bike and the other with the meltaguns. That gives me 6 bike squads on the board. Khan and the Chapter Master join the last bike squad. This will give 7 bikes, all with HoW, Furious Charge, Power Lance sargent (S6, AP3 on charge) to accept / issue challanges, Khan, a beatstick Master and 2 grav-guns. The master will ride up front to tank the wounds.

Anyway, what do you think?
Zambro

At 1500 you're going to face two problems, one being the lack of good scoring troops.

The other is range, very limited range army which will have trouble in some deployment types and vs some armies.

I suggest cutting the chapter masters upgrades for some sniper scouts. WIll give you some range OR a dedicated scoring unit depending on what you want them to do that turn.


This is a scary army though.

Aijec wrote:
At 1500 you're going to face two problems, one being the lack of good scoring troops.

The other is range, very limited range army which will have trouble in some deployment types and vs some armies.

I suggest cutting the chapter masters upgrades for some sniper scouts. WIll give you some range OR a dedicated scoring unit depending on what you want them to do that turn.


This is a scary army though.

I take your point, but are you considering Khan's ability to give scout to all bikes? That throws me 12" closer to the enemy before the game even starts.

Why no command squad? Does the CM need the burning blade and shield eternal? Surely a TH would be a better fit, for 25 less points.

Looks fairly solid. Decent number of Grav weapons, moving and shooting orbital bombardment, a smattering of melta and 2 talons for support and AA.

I tried including a Command Squad but the points required for that would be taking away from my scoring units.

Thats a good point, fling, but it poses a question who's answer i'm not sure on. Furious Charge gives +1 to the S, does the TH's x2 strength happen before, or after, the furious charge bonus? I.E. Would i be S9 or S10?
Also, does striking at I1 matter all that much with the Chapter Master? I'm leaning toward no, but i'm not certain of the CC capabilities of the dudes he'll likely be charging.

Where should I invest the last 25 points?

I actually like the CM, protects khan in a challenge. I'd downsize melta squads and take two hunters. If you're going to tourneys you'll need AA and they can smack down skimmers and FMC too.

 Lobukia wrote:
I actually like the CM, protects khan in a challenge. I'd downsize melta squads and take two hunters. If you're going to tourneys you'll need AA and they can smack down skimmers and FMC too.

I was actually thinking the Vet Sarge can accept challanges. (On the charge) He'll have S6 (FC and Lance) AP3 with 3 attacks, that should do well against most units I'd charge. That leaves Khan and CM to wreck havoc in the actual unit. Or, if the challanger/challengee is the warlord, the CM will step forward and beat-face.

I've considered taking hunters and stalkers, and whilst they provide excellent AA, that is all they do. Their ability to hit ground targets is poor, meaning once the skies are clear, they have very little use. The Stormtalons, however, can clear the skies then fire down on the enemy at BS5 - their roles extends beyond an AA role. If i was to consider getting one, i'd go with the Stalker, and drop a ST and use the points from the CM losing the Burning Blade to get 2 Stalkers. I have done a fair amount of research into the pros/cons of each, and it just made my head spin (have you read that thread in the tactics section? It goes back and forth like crazy). The reason i'd go with stalkers is the volume of fire is favourable, and is increasingly reliable at BS2 (plus twinlined)) when shooting ground targets.

Appreciate all the help so far guys, thanks!

Hunter/Stalker, a couple of either work. Just remember skyfire can still target skimmers at full BS... And you'll see plenty of those in competitive play.

One other thing to consider. 3 grav centurions walking up the center of the field might help more than the CM. but he's probably more fun.

That is very true Lobukia, WS spam, most DEldar vehicles and tau and necrons all use skimmers... Dam, looks like i'm getting two stalkers

Is it worth keeping the lone Stormtalon in the list? It'd get shot up pretty bad. What should I get instead?

And no to the grav cents. Too many points to justify, and it'd require a massive list overhaul.

I could get another melta bike squad, bare bones. 5 guys with 2 MGs would fit.

If you wanted to test run the Centurions, just sideline the CM (he's more expensive than a solid 3 man GC squad). If you hated it, an easy swap back.

All and all good list. I've had good luck with a single Stalon, but YMMV. For competition it looks like same points in two Hunter/Stalkers might be better, but a Talon is much more versatile.

Be careful taking too many bikers away for other things. Grav bikers are gravy right now, but they work best en masse.