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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/29 20:39:55
Subject: Ork bikers cover saves?
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Three Color Minimum
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Thumbing through my ork codex brought me to the bikers selection, saying that all bikes have the "exhaust cloud" special rule, conferring a 4+ cover save to bikes. This is all and well acceptable until you consider that 6th ed gave bikes jink as a USR.
My question is: does exhaust cloud and jink stack, and how?
My understanding of the material is that ork bikers should be getting a 3 or possibly 2+ Cover save.
Any other inputs?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/29 20:41:00
Dark angels 70/100 of deathwing, 50/100 ravenwing, 80-100 3rd company
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and a sampling of different armies
warmachine, 40-50 points of:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/29 20:43:48
Subject: Ork bikers cover saves?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Saves from different sources do not stack. However, certain special rules or wargear can improve existing saves.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0013/09/29 20:50:30
Subject: Ork bikers cover saves?
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Kelne
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As stated by Happyjew cover saves from different sources don't stack
for example your ork bikers behind ruins would still use a 4+ cover save. Only rules saying it improves or stack with another cover save do. The exhaust cloud doesn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/29 20:52:23
Subject: Ork bikers cover saves?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No stack
You just simply get two differnet cover saves, and as per the rules for multiple saves you pick the best, meaning (usually) the Exhaust Cloud
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/29 20:52:45
Subject: Ork bikers cover saves?
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
Dis filfy git wantz ta know?
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^ pretty much that
my question is does it stack with night fighting or does excluad already count as stealth and shrouded? most im aware of is ur getting a 4+ from any shooting attack unless some sort of tau cheese.
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We Green And Not Very Clean!
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count if we runs for it we don't die neiher,
Cos we can come back for annuver go,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/29 20:53:03
Subject: Re:Ork bikers cover saves?
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Three Color Minimum
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Thanks for the clarification!
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Dark angels 70/100 of deathwing, 50/100 ravenwing, 80-100 3rd company
IG +6k pts
and a sampling of different armies
warmachine, 40-50 points of:
protectorate, legion, and convergence armies |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/29 20:59:10
Subject: Ork bikers cover saves?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Orkimedezz wrote:^ pretty much that
my question is does it stack with night fighting or does excluad already count as stealth and shrouded? most im aware of is ur getting a 4+ from any shooting attack unless some sort of tau cheese.
It is a cover save, so anything that improves a cover save would improve the exhaust cloud
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/29 20:59:39
Subject: Ork bikers cover saves?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Orkimedezz wrote:^ pretty much that
my question is does it stack with night fighting or does excluad already count as stealth and shrouded? most im aware of is ur getting a 4+ from any shooting attack unless some sort of tau cheese.
They have neither Stealth nor Shrouded. The have Exhaust cloud.
They'll gain the benefit of Night Fighting just fine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/29 21:33:46
Subject: Ork bikers cover saves?
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
Dis filfy git wantz ta know?
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grendel083 wrote: Orkimedezz wrote:^ pretty much that
my question is does it stack with night fighting or does excluad already count as stealth and shrouded? most im aware of is ur getting a 4+ from any shooting attack unless some sort of tau cheese.
They have neither Stealth nor Shrouded. The have Exhaust cloud.
They'll gain the benefit of Night Fighting just fine.
oh ok cool ty
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We Green And Not Very Clean!
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count if we runs for it we don't die neiher,
Cos we can come back for annuver go,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/30 01:26:01
Subject: Ork bikers cover saves?
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Confessor Of Sins
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If a tau player removes the cover save for orks then... do they need to do it twice to remove both saves?
Unless they use the M3S?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/30 01:29:30
Subject: Re:Ork bikers cover saves?
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Sister Vastly Superior
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The markerlights grant ignores cover to the firing unit's weapons, so they won't get cover saves at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/30 06:09:37
Subject: Re:Ork bikers cover saves?
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Executing Exarch
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Unlike Markerlights, it is relevant for things like Eldar Dark Reapers, which will ignore the Jink save but not the Exhaust Cloud.
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