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I hate seeing this 'plans which people are losing are poor plans'.
My work had two PPOs and one HMO, and the lower of the two PPO had max out of pocket deductibles and such just high co-pays. So the users were protected against catastrophic illness and had a safety net, but simply were designed for people who don't plan on being sick and will eat 500$ for an ER visit.
That plan was cheap and affordable, the other plan was the 'Cadillac' plan. Now it seems the 'cadillac' plan is the minimum coverage, primarily because they need people to not pay for their own risk and coverage but to subsidize other people in the pool.
People are not losing 'gak' plans, people are losing legitimate plans which did not have pointless coverage levels which would basically go unused but allow the cost to cover other people. Why do I need a 5$ copay if I go to the doctor twice a year? Why do I need 10$ meds when I don't take any? Basically it was valid for people to have high co-pays and referral visits as long as they had a max OOP deductible which was 'reasonable' to not cause someone to loose hundreds of thousands of dollars for an illness.
While personally, I am not impacted, I have (and like) my HMO, I feel bad for a lot of younger people who are trying to make good and just went from 40$ a month to 275$ a month coverage simply because we are averting risk by milking non-consumers of healthcare.
The wheels are going to fall off this bus as this is not financially sustainable.
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obama, lied, straight up, about people being able to keep their plans,
weather it was due to incompetence, malice, or he was willfully ignorant of the implications of the law he passed, what ever the reasoning, he made false statements.
even clinton is pressuring him to keep his promise.. you know, the last honest democrat, who merely lied under oath.... when THIS guy is telling you to be honest, there is a problem.
All I keep hearing from the left is apologist drivel, or more lies to explain why the first lie, was not a lie.
(CNN) – President Barack Obama has already apologized to Americans who lost their health plans under the Affordable Care Act. Now Bill Clinton is calling on his fellow Democrat to find a way to uphold an earlier vow that those who like their insurance plans can keep them.
"I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they've got," Clinton said during an interview with the website OZY.com.
Seriously, are those actual adverts for Obamacare?
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After seeing those posters I am convinced that I can hear the barrel being scrapped so much that the bottom has given way and the Administration is now hitting dirt
Made for Colorado's Exchange, but I read that some of the other states are using them too...
Seriously:
Got Insurance is a project of the Thanks Obamacare campaign, created by the Colorado Consumer Health Initiative and ProgressNow Colorado Education to educate everyone about the benefits of the Affordable Care Act
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: After seeing those posters I am convinced that I can hear the barrel being scrapped so much that the bottom has given way and the Administration is now hitting dirt
That's just for the State of CO. But, I know some of the other states are using it as well...
But, seriously, must explain all the weed that is being passed around there.
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It's like one of those videos you have to watch in school, where the person is painfully trying to be cool and it comes across as so forced and insincere.
It's so poorly executed compared to the campaigning that was done by, and on behalf of, Obama during the election.
Let's get Physical, OMG, he's hot! Let's hope he's as easy to get as this birth control. My Health insurance covers the pill, which means all I have to worry about is getting him between the covers. I got Insurance. Now you can too. Thanks Obamacare!
O.o
Now... isn't that what you'd call a... slut? (not disparaging any sluts... I like my sluts just the way they are!)
Let's get Physical, OMG, he's hot! Let's hope he's as easy to get as this birth control. My Health insurance covers the pill, which means all I have to worry about is getting him between the covers. I got Insurance. Now you can too. Thanks Obamacare!
O.o
Now... isn't that what you'd call a... slut? (not disparaging any sluts... I like my sluts just the way they are!)
Maybe Rush was right after all...
Obamacare, encouraging promiscuity in todays youth.
The pill won't protect you from herpes folks. Keep that in mind.
And now for more Obamacare follies. The guy who exposed Acorn as a sham/fraud is now exposing the "Navagators" as pretty much being the same type of people.
This Friday, House Republicans are expected to vote on a proposal — championed by GOP Rep. Fred Upton — that would allow insurance companies the option of continuing all existing health plans for a year, in response to the loss of plans that has taken place despite Obama’s vow otherwise. The White House points out that this will undermine the law.
Dem leadership aides have predicted that some House Dems will vote for the plan. And CNN’s Dana Bash stirred up chatter today when she Tweeted that “lots” of House Dems will vote for it if the White House has not put forth its own fix by the end of the week — in effect giving the White House a deadline. Obviously, “a lot” of Dems voting for this proposal would constitute another major Obamacare headache.
House Democratic leaders are privately warning rank and file Dems that a vote for this bill – and other anti-Obamacare legislation – could alienate leading Democratic donors heading into 2014, a source familiar with internal discussions tells me. “Votes against the Affordable Care Act are going to turn off a lot of these top national progressive donors,” the source said in characterizing the arguments.
Dem leaders are also pressing members internally with the case (which they are also making publicly) that the Upton plan would essentially preserve the worst aspects of the individual insurance market — allowing discrimination against people with preexisting conditions and allowing higher charges to women — thus undermining Obamacare’s protections, the source says.
The source adds that Bill Clinton’s widely reported comments today are not making this any easier for Democrats. Clinton said that “the president should honor the commitment” made to people who want to keep their insurance, “even if it takes a change in the law.” This sounded a bit like Clinton was trying to echo Obama’s own similar comments to NBC last week — in which he agreed a fix was necessary for these folks and said such a fix is forthcoming – but made a hash of it. However, Clinton’s spokespeople have not clarified the remark — which has also been distinctly unhelpful for Dems, according to my source — and so the damage is done.
Any such House bill to undermine Obamacare, of course, is dead on arrival in the Dem-controlled Senate. Some Democrats up in 2014 are pressing forward with their own efforts to minimize the political fallout of Obamacare’s problems, such as Senator Mary Landrieu’s bill to allow people to keep their insurance and Senator Kay Hagan’s call for a “probe” into what has gone wrong with the law. Republicans are having a grand old time pointing to these Dem proposals as proof Dems are running from the law.
The big picture remains the same: All that will really matter is whether the policy works over the long haul. But jittery Democrats are not in a big picture mood right now, and the new Quinnipiac poll finding Obama at his lowest approval rating ever is not going to make them any more inclined to take the long view. So they are telling the White House in no uncertain terms that a fix is a must, and fast.
Wow...
Vote against it, or we'll cut off your money!
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I remember all your outrage when people promised that they will cut of donations and raise money to run against every Republican that voted for ObamaCare.
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I remember all your outrage when people promised that they will cut of donations and raise money to run against every Republican that voted for ObamaCare.
Huh? I'm not outraged... I'm just shocked that their own party is threatening the rank-and-file of that.
It's usually the folks outside (ie, the foudations, thinktanks, etc...) that makes such statements.
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Zathras wrote: And speaking of WW2, here's something else to think about regarding Obamacare:
“Putting things in perspective:
March 21st 2010 to October 1 2013 is 3 years, 6 months, 10 days.
December 7, 1941 to May 8, 1945 is 3 years, 5 months, 1 day.
What this means is that in the time we were attacked at Pearl Harbor to the day Germany surrendered is not enough time for this progressive federal government to build a working webpage. Mobilization of millions, building tens of thousands of tanks, planes, jeeps, subs, cruisers, destroyers, torpedoes, millions upon millions of guns, bombs, ammo, etc. Turning the tide in North Africa, Invading Italy, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, Race to Berlin – all while we were also fighting the Japanese in the Pacific!! And in that amount of time – this administration can’t build a working webpage.”
You are right. We should have mobilized our entire population and economy towards building Healthcare.Gov.
And the point flies right over your head. No we should not "mobilize our entire population and economy towards building Healthcare.Gov". Instead they should have put the best and brightest from sites like Amazon.com and Facebook working on this, instead of giving it to a Canadian based company with a track record of failures in a no-bid contract. Then again, if your plan in the first place was to have a faulty website so you can later implement what you really want, then what the Ineptocracy of Barack Obama has done with the ACA website is "working as intended".
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Or if your plan was to have a horrible implementation to make it look bad, then you make sure to turn down any request for funding to build a good product in the years leading up to it.
d-usa wrote: Or if your plan was to have a horrible implementation to make it look bad, then you make sure to turn down any request for funding to build a good product in the years leading up to it.
Or if your plan was to have trouble funding it you force through an entirely partisan piece of legislature with zero support from half of congress....
cincydooley wrote: Or if your plan was to have trouble funding it you force through an entirely partisan piece of legislature with zero support from half of congress....
The funny thing is, they had plenty of money to build the website. They just hired apparently the worst guys to do it, and had it overseen by HHS apparatchiks rather than people who knew what they were doing.
Zathras wrote: And speaking of WW2, here's something else to think about regarding Obamacare:
“Putting things in perspective:
March 21st 2010 to October 1 2013 is 3 years, 6 months, 10 days.
December 7, 1941 to May 8, 1945 is 3 years, 5 months, 1 day.
What this means is that in the time we were attacked at Pearl Harbor to the day Germany surrendered is not enough time for this progressive federal government to build a working webpage. Mobilization of millions, building tens of thousands of tanks, planes, jeeps, subs, cruisers, destroyers, torpedoes, millions upon millions of guns, bombs, ammo, etc. Turning the tide in North Africa, Invading Italy, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, Race to Berlin – all while we were also fighting the Japanese in the Pacific!! And in that amount of time – this administration can’t build a working webpage.”
You are right. We should have mobilized our entire population and economy towards building Healthcare.Gov.
And the point flies right over your head. No we should not "mobilize our entire population and economy towards building Healthcare.Gov". Instead they should have put the best and brightest from sites like Amazon.com and Facebook working on this, instead of giving it to a Canadian based company with a track record of failures in a no-bid contract. Then again, if your plan in the first place was to have a faulty website so you can later implement what you really want, then what the Ineptocracy of Barack Obama has done with the ACA website is "working as intended".
I would have settled for "just half ass decent." Building a web page aint rocket science.
cincydooley wrote: Or if your plan was to have trouble funding it you force through an entirely partisan piece of legislature with zero support from half of congress....
The funny thing is, they had plenty of money to build the website. They just hired apparently the worst guys to do it, and had it overseen by HHS apparatchiks rather than people who knew what they were doing.
Exactly. As predicted, the people who brought you the miracle of governmental efficiency that is the DMV are now in charge of healthcare.
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nkelsch wrote: I hate seeing this 'plans which people are losing are poor plans'.
My work had...
I wonder why your workplace made that choice?
Most workplaces in my area were already getting rid of PPO and HMO and replacing them with 'consumer-directed" (i.e. Cheaper) HRA and HSA plans well before Obamacare came along. PPO and HMO were getting too expensive.
Zathras wrote: And speaking of WW2, here's something else to think about regarding Obamacare:
“Putting things in perspective:
March 21st 2010 to October 1 2013 is 3 years, 6 months, 10 days.
December 7, 1941 to May 8, 1945 is 3 years, 5 months, 1 day.
What this means is that in the time we were attacked at Pearl Harbor to the day Germany surrendered is not enough time for this progressive federal government to build a working webpage. Mobilization of millions, building tens of thousands of tanks, planes, jeeps, subs, cruisers, destroyers, torpedoes, millions upon millions of guns, bombs, ammo, etc. Turning the tide in North Africa, Invading Italy, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, Race to Berlin – all while we were also fighting the Japanese in the Pacific!! And in that amount of time – this administration can’t build a working webpage.”
You are right. We should have mobilized our entire population and economy towards building Healthcare.Gov.
And the point flies right over your head. No we should not "mobilize our entire population and economy towards building Healthcare.Gov". Instead they should have put the best and brightest from sites like Amazon.com and Facebook working on this, instead of giving it to a Canadian based company with a track record of failures in a no-bid contract. Then again, if your plan in the first place was to have a faulty website so you can later implement what you really want, then what the Ineptocracy of Barack Obama has done with the ACA website is "working as intended".
No I got your point. I was just showing you how non-equivalent the situations were and therefore your entire point was meaningless.
I'm sure you would have been right there demanding that the Governement mobilize a "Total War" approach to implementing Healthcare.Gov.
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Yeah... if Easy had spent 2 minutes reading other posts, there would have been no mention of Obama regarding that. Instead he would have seen folks pointing to the people really responsible for it.
Reposted as it's more applicable here than that other thread... (plus MOAR!)
Well... the "rift" is starting to show in the Democrat caucus:
Democratic Unity On Obamacare Is Collapsing
Another non-red state Democrat — this time Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) [whembly: !!!] has signed on to become a co-sponsor on legislation from Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) that would require insurance companies to continue offering their existing health care plans.
Merkley joins Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) [whembly: !!!]as surprise, bright-blue state Democrats that have become co-sponsors of the bill over the past day. Together, they amount to the most high-profile non-red state Democrats to buck party lines on the Affordable Care Act.
Landrieu announced Merkley's co-sponsorship on Twitter:
BREAKING: @SenJeffMerkley joins growing coalition supporting my targeted bill to keep promise of #ACA & allow people to keep their insurance
— Senator Landrieu (@SenLandrieu) November 13, 2013
Among other things, the "Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act" would "grandfather" in all health insurance plans that existed as of Dec. 31, 2013, not March 23, 2010, and force insurance companies to continue to offer a number of plans that they have been forced to cancel under the Affordable Care Act.
Landrieu's bill goes even further than one proposed in the House by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.), which would allow insurers to grandfather in plans that existed as of Jan. 1, 2013. The Landrieu bill would force insurance companies to grandfather in those plans.
Customers in the individual insurance market are finding they cannot keep their current policies if they have changed since the Affordable Care Act was passed in 2010 and don't meet certain minimum requirements of the law. Insurers are even canceling some plans that they are legally entitled to continue offering because the law changes the economics of doing so.
The other co-sponsors of the bill are red-state Democratic Sens. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), and Mark Pryor (D-Ark.). Like those three (but not Feinstein) Merkley is up for re-election next year.
The White House and Senate Democratic leadership have not offered specific comment on Landrieu's bill.
I didn't think I'd see all this so soon.
I'd figure they'd all circle wagons and keep on trucking, thinking that this would go away along the same way as Fast and Furious, IRS, Benghazi....
Another sign:
Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD) [whembly: !!!] said on C-SPAN today that the Independent Payments Advisory Board (IPAB), aka the "death panel" of PPACA, should be "revisited."
Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD) expressed concerns over the Independent Payment Advisory Board – a controversial element of the Affordable Care Act – during a call-in session on C-SPAN Wednesday morning, saying the provision in the law “needs to be revisited”:
CALLER: I want to know if Cardin read the bill, and if he could explain about the advisory board which is going to be established in 2014. The board can effectively edict certain mandates to the law and changes to the law without congressional action or approval and they cannot be challenged judicially by the constituents or the citizens of this country. In other words, they are going to be able to pass a law without authority, making congress irrelevant, which seems to be a blatant violation of our constitution. How could anybody with a clear conscience vote for that?
BEN CARDIN: I did read the bill and I share some of your concerns about that provision in the bill. The Affordable Care Act contains many provisions. I strongly supported the bill itself. But in terms of that particular provision, I agree, there are certain concerns that I have. The purpose of the board is to make sure that health care costs are maintained at a reasonable level and that there is an objective review of the payments made under the healthcare system. That was the main purpose of this board in its report. It comes into effect under certain circumstances. It has not been implemented yet, but it is a provision in the law that needs to be revisited to make sure the concerns you expressed do not occur.
djones520 wrote: Yeah... if Easy had spent 2 minutes reading other posts, there would have been no mention of Obama regarding that. Instead he would have seen folks pointing to the people really responsible for it.
The FOLKS responsible was not the Colorado state government but a non profit organization called Progress Now.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday will convene a special meeting of the Senate Democratic caucus and senior White Officials to discuss the troubled rollout of ObamaCare.
Reid on Wednesday told reporters he would not answer questions about the hundreds of thousands of insurance policy cancellations or other issues until he has further discussions with the White House.
The Senate leader said President Obama called him Tuesday evening to discuss healthcare and other issues.
Several Democrats have signed onto a proposal sponsored by Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) that would force insurance companies to let people keep their health plans if they like them.
Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) said he would have a better idea of what proposals Democrats will push to improve the new law after the Thursday meeting.
Republicans could scarcely contain their glee over the growing Democratic anxiety.
"Obviously panic has set in on the other side," Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said.
Okay... I'd have to admit... the R's need to dial back that glee...
