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Ouze wrote: "It's OK to build a career on lies of omission, settling the inevitable lawsuits when necessary, because some other guy also was less than truthful, too".
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama would veto a bill sponsored by a Republican congressman that would allow insurers to offer healthcare plans slated to be canceled because they do not meet the new U.S. healthcare law's standards, the White House said on Thursday.
Thus proves they really did know and really did intend it.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
This isn't a fix. Its a band-aid to help one party limp through the next election. Unless there are major changes 2014 will just be a repeat of people being outraged that their policies are not being renewed again
Facing growing opposition from his own party, President Obama today proposed a fix to a key component of his signature health care law, allowing Americans who are losing their coverage because of the Affordable Care Act to keep their plans for up to a year before being forced into coverage that meets the new standards.
"The bottom line is insurers can extend current plans, that would otherwise be canceled, into 2014," the president said in a hastily announced statement in the White House briefing room. "And Americans whose plans have been canceled can choose to re-enroll in the same kind of plan."
Six weeks into the botched rollout of the HealthCare.gov, the president admitted, "we fumbled the rollout on this health care law."
"We should have done a better job of getting that right on day one," he said.
Obama added, "I am confident that by the time we look back on this next year, that people are going to say, 'This is working well, and it's helping a lot of people.'"
Whether the president can make such an administrative fix without legislative involvement is unclear.
The president took responsibility as he sought to ease the concerns of people whose health care plans were canceled because they did not meet the new, higher standards of the law.
READ: 5 Signs Obama's Second Term Is In Serious Trouble
In selling the Affordable Care Act to the U.S. public, the president often used the same refrain: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."
"There is no doubt that the way I put that forward unequivocally ended up not being accurate," he said today. "It was not because of my intention not to deliver on that commitment and that promise.
"My expectation was that for 98 percent of the American people, either it genuinely wouldn't change at all, or they'd be pleasantly surprised with the options in the marketplace and that the grandfather clause would cover the rest," he said. "That proved not to be the case. And that's on me."
READ: The Strangest Ads to Promote Obamacare Sign-Ups
Today's announcement that consumers in the individual market will be able to keep their existing plans for another year comes amid growing opposition from Democrats over the canceled insurance policies, which the president had repeatedly said consumers could keep.
Lawmakers from both parties are gathering support for legislation that would make good on the president's promise that people who wanted to keep their plans could do so.
With millions of consumers receiving cancellation notices, however, the president has come under fire for his misleading comments.
Americans who purchase insurance on their own, a small portion of the population, might be forced to switch plans because their providers have made changes that don't meet the stiffer standards established under the Affordable Care Act.
Obama first apologized last week to Americans who are losing the health care coverage he said they could keep.
It also comes a day after the White House announced that only 26,794 people, a far smaller number than expected, successfully chose a health insurance plan using the glitch-plagued Healthcare.gov website in its first month.
In total, 106,185 people signed up for health insurance in October, and most of those individuals -- 79,391 -- used the 15 state-run websites, not the troubled federal site, the White House said Wednesday.
Is the bolded part not part of the reason why Obama called the Republicans terrorists?
Wtf, did I miss something?
Nope. You didn't miss anything. The Republican's request for a delay was the reason the shutdown happened, and that the Republican's were branded "terrorists", and told that any delay was illegal and unconstitutional
Dreadclaw69 wrote: This isn't a fix. Its a band-aid to help one party limp through the next election. Unless there are major changes 2014 will just be a repeat of people being outraged that their policies are not being renewed again.
Facing growing opposition from his own party, President Obama today proposed a fix to a key component of his signature health care law, allowing Americans who are losing their coverage because of the Affordable Care Act to keep their plans for up to a year before being forced into coverage that meets the new standards.
"The bottom line is insurers can extend current plans, that would otherwise be canceled, into 2014," the president said in a hastily announced statement in the White House briefing room. "And Americans whose plans have been canceled can choose to re-enroll in the same kind of plan."
Six weeks into the botched rollout of the HealthCare.gov, the president admitted, "we fumbled the rollout on this health care law."
"We should have done a better job of getting that right on day one," he said.
Obama added, "I am confident that by the time we look back on this next year, that people are going to say, 'This is working well, and it's helping a lot of people.'"
Whether the president can make such an administrative fix without legislative involvement is unclear.
The president took responsibility as he sought to ease the concerns of people whose health care plans were canceled because they did not meet the new, higher standards of the law.
READ: 5 Signs Obama's Second Term Is In Serious Trouble
In selling the Affordable Care Act to the U.S. public, the president often used the same refrain: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."
"There is no doubt that the way I put that forward unequivocally ended up not being accurate," he said today. "It was not because of my intention not to deliver on that commitment and that promise.
"My expectation was that for 98 percent of the American people, either it genuinely wouldn't change at all, or they'd be pleasantly surprised with the options in the marketplace and that the grandfather clause would cover the rest," he said. "That proved not to be the case. And that's on me."
READ: The Strangest Ads to Promote Obamacare Sign-Ups
Today's announcement that consumers in the individual market will be able to keep their existing plans for another year comes amid growing opposition from Democrats over the canceled insurance policies, which the president had repeatedly said consumers could keep.
Lawmakers from both parties are gathering support for legislation that would make good on the president's promise that people who wanted to keep their plans could do so.
With millions of consumers receiving cancellation notices, however, the president has come under fire for his misleading comments.
Americans who purchase insurance on their own, a small portion of the population, might be forced to switch plans because their providers have made changes that don't meet the stiffer standards established under the Affordable Care Act.
Obama first apologized last week to Americans who are losing the health care coverage he said they could keep.
It also comes a day after the White House announced that only 26,794 people, a far smaller number than expected, successfully chose a health insurance plan using the glitch-plagued Healthcare.gov website in its first month.
In total, 106,185 people signed up for health insurance in October, and most of those individuals -- 79,391 -- used the 15 state-run websites, not the troubled federal site, the White House said Wednesday.
Is the bolded part not part of the reason why Obama called the Republicans terrorists?
Wtf, did I miss something?
Nope. You didn't miss anything. The Republican's request for a delay was the reason the shutdown happened, and that the Republican's were branded "terrorists", and told that any delay was illegal and unconstitutional
Wasn't the phrase "law of the land" also bandied about for a few weeks or so?
@Breotan, Yep. "Law of the land" was a phrase that kept getting thrown at those of us that said Obamacare was going to be a disaster. It got used quite a bit on Dakka.
Some more on Obama's knowing years in advance how bad this was going to screw with people's insurance:
I love the way Democrats are scrambling to jump ship on Obama in an effort to save their asses during the upcoming mid terms. I just hope the voters remember who to thank for their coverage getting jacked.
As Friday dawns, here's what a health insurance crisis looks like to many millions of Americans: Barely six weeks shy of 2014, they do not know whether they will have medical coverage Jan. 1. Or which hospitals and doctors they might patronize. Or what they may pay to protect themselves and their families against the chance of medical and financial catastrophe. How much, that is, they may pay in order to satisfy the Democratic politicians and federal bureaucrats who are worsening a metastasizing health coverage fiasco.
For perhaps 5 million of those Americans thus far — estimates vary — the Washington-ordered cancellation of their policies is especially maddening. In the past these people took responsibility for their coverage and bought policies that balanced their needs, finances and personal choices. Congress and President Barack Obama, by enacting the Affordable Care Act, in effect ordered insurers to dismantle many of those individual plans — and cancel those policies.
The Americans manhandled by this exercise in government arrogance now find themselves divided into warring tribes: Those with chronic ailments who have found new plans on Obamacare exchanges and are pleased. Those who don't want or can't afford the replacement policies Obamacare offers them. Those whose new policies block them from using the health providers who have treated them for many years. The estimated 23 million to 41 million people whose employer-sponsored plans are the next to be imperiled. And on and on.
Most of these tribespeople only wish their big problem was a slipshod Obamacare website. On Thursday, their plight grew more frightful. With even Democratic members of Congress storming the White House over the cancellations, Obama declared — by what legal authority is unclear — that he would overrule the law he signed in 2010 and allow insurers to extend those canceled policies for a year.
If, that is, insurance regulators of the 50 states permit this potential distortion to risk pools inside and outside of Obamacare. The regulators, including those in Illinois, had better put protection ahead of politics: Within two hours of Obama's announcement, Mike Kreidler, insurance commissioner of Washington, a Democrat-leaning state, rejected the president's notion, citing "its potential impact on the overall stability of our health insurance market. ... We will not be allowing insurance companies to extend their policies."
Note that these are the same insurance companies that have done what Obamacare demanded of them, while they often were being vilified by politicians and bureaucrats who haven't done what Obamacare demanded of them: Create workable, economically sustainable, insurance markets. A spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans, an industry group, said Thursday that Obama's decree could further drive up prices: "Premiums were set based on assumptions about people transitioning to the (Obamacare) marketplaces," Robert Zirkelbach told The Washington Post. "Changing the rules in the middle of the game could dramatically change who actually signs up. If the exchanges become nothing more than a high-risk pool, that's going to result in massive premium increases for consumers."
So, what Obama presented Thursday as a favor looks like one more mess for state governments, insurers and ... American citizens. Under the policy Obama articulated, the states and insurers aren't required to do anything. The American citizens? Under Obamacare, they're still required to have health insurance. Or pay a government fine.
Note that the president's intent to enable the extension of policies his administration deems inferior also contradicts a key tenet of Obamacare: the guarantee that (almost) every private health plan in the nation must offer a lengthy list of mandated benefits.
On some level, then, the president plainly agrees with critics of Obamacare, this page included, that the law needs to be rewritten: He and his administration keep rewriting its major components — remember the mandate that sizable employers offer coverage in 2014? — as practicalities and politics demand.
But in this country we don't change bad laws by presidential fiat. We change them by having Congress rewrite them or by starting from scratch. Obama doesn't want to reopen this law for fear that Republicans and some Democrats will substantially rewrite it. But that's what has to happen.
We understand why the president and leaders of his party want to rescue whatever they can of Obamacare. On their watch, official Washington has blown the launch of a new entitlement program ... under the schedule they alone set in early 2010.
What we don't understand is their reluctance to give that failure more than lip service. Many of the Americans who heard their president say Thursday that "we fumbled the rollout of this health care law" would have been pleased to hear him add: So we're admitting it. This law is a bust. We're starting over.
Here's the way I see it, people looking for a free ride or trying to score political points, push an agenda out of misguided generousity, etc. are finally waking up to the fact that they not only placed those that were against Obamacare into a huge puddle of crap, but are now seeing themselves shoulder deep and sinking with everybody else.
The Chicago Tribune believes in the traditional principles of limited government; maximum individual responsibility; minimum restriction of personal liberty, opportunity and enterprise. It believes in free markets, free will and freedom of expression. These principles, while traditionally conservative, are guidelines and not reflexive dogmas.
The Tribune brings a Midwestern sensibility to public debate. It is suspicious of untested ideas.
The Tribune places great emphasis on the integrity of government and the private institutions that play a significant role in society. The newspaper does this in the belief that the people cannot consent to be governed unless they have knowledge of, and faith in, the leaders and operations of government. The Tribune embraces the diversity of people and perspectives in its community. It is dedicated to the future of the Chicago region.
Bear in mind, this only refers to editorials written by the Tribune itself, not the editorials that it publishes.
Of course, the bold bit is why it endorsed Obama in both elections.
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cincydooley wrote: Partisanship aside, this is just starting to be really, really embarrassing for the country as a whole. You're telling me the contry responsible for apple, Microsoft, Google, and Facebook can't find the right group of people to create a pretty freakin important website?
I'm fairly certain that all of those companies have had their fair share of buggy releases. The most recent one being the integration of Google+ with Youtube.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
That article does raise a good point, and one that I've been waiting to hear addressed. Does the POTUS have the legal authority to just over rule a law that has already been passed?
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: That article does raise a good point, and one that I've been waiting to hear addressed. Does the POTUS have the legal authority to just over rule a law that has already been passed?
According to the US Constitution, no. But that little fact hasn't stopped him yet with other changes he's made to the ACA.
Solve a man's problem with violence and help him for a day. Teach a man how to solve his problems with violence, help him for a lifetime - Belkar Bitterleaf
Thank you for the clarification, I wasn't sure if there was something that I'd missed.
Its not that I'm opposed to changing the ACA provisions that have backfired so spectacularly, but I'd rather it was done lawfully and not setting new precedent
Dreadclaw69 wrote: Thank you for the clarification, I wasn't sure if there was something that I'd missed.
Its not that I'm opposed to changing the ACA provisions that have backfired so spectacularly, but I'd rather it was done lawfully and not setting new precedent
So you're saying you're not in favor of the presidential mulligan
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That Democrats knowingly lied in many different ways about Obamacare when selling it is the issue right now. The fact that they never really managed to sell it - in that approval never went above disapproval in terms of polling - is credit to at least some Americans' credulity, but how that's going to help when we start seeing the first of the (Democrat)-estimated 40 to 60 million employer-provided insurance cancellations, I dunno.
The fact that they never really managed to sell it - in that approval never went above disapproval in terms of polling - is credit to at least some Americans' credulity, but how that's going to help when we start seeing the first of the (Democrat)-estimated 40 to 60 million employer-provided insurance cancellations, I dunno.
Incredulity.
Also this poll indicates that approval of Obamacare exceeded disapproval of Obamacare less than 1 year ago.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Also this poll indicates that approval of Obamacare exceeded disapproval of Obamacare less than 1 year ago.
By Jove.
Now I've lost all faith. We really are a horrendously dumb people.
"Costs will not go up, everyone will get quality coverage, everyone will pay less, nobody's plan will be canceled." That anybody, at all, could believe that is pretty unbelievable.
And Scott Brown's opinion is not surprising: Democrats are evil, but Republicans are good.
Yep, but it will be interesting to see how his prediction develops. At a casual glance it seems, and I stress "seems", that there are those on the Democratic side of the aisle that are beginning to think it wasn't such a good idea for their political career to have voted in Obamacare now that all the fallout is happening. They now want to be seen chastising Obama and siding with Republicans as much as possible before the mid terms in hopes that the public will forget their role in foisting this ill advised legislation on us.
Yep, that is what is really getting under anyone's skin who thinks about this for half a minute. Will it be enough to see a wholesale booting of Democrats? The lives of several million people are going to be screwed up when the employer mandate kicks in, so we'll see.
Seaward wrote: The funny thing about that is that the fallout hasn't even started yet. This is an appetizer compared to when the employer mandate hits.
eh... I'm not so sure about that... remember the employer mandate kicks in after the '14 midterm.
The real question, is this: will this individual mandate ordeal still be a hot topic by the midterm? It's still a loooooong way to go.
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Raddatz: Do you feel misled by Obama?
Gillibrand: He should have been more specific…
Raddatz: So were you misled?
Gillibrand: No, we all knew. The whole point of the plan is to cover things people need.
So, they all knew Obama was misleading the American public on Obamacare... but didn’t speak up?
O.o
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Figures, Wembly. The cracks are getting bigger now, and the facade is fast falling, but there will still be those who refuse to see or admit Obama lied to them.
Law of the land, doncha know.
