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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/18 20:40:08
Subject: Obamacare Exchanges now open
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote: -Shrike- wrote:If your religious belief is that abstinence is the only permissible form of contraception, surely mandating you to pay for all other forms of contraception could be considered as the government infringing on your beliefs? I'm sure you have some sort of law about that...
Might as well add, in what way is religion more protected than a lack of belief in the US?
Could anybody create a religion or does it need to be state endorsed to qualify for exemptions?
Sure...
I'm going to create a sect called " The Church of What's Happening Now".
Maybe WikiHow can help?
Snark aside, there's laws on the book to create a church to worship the 40k Emperor, as long is each steps conforms with the state's regulatory requirement. (hmmmm... maybe an idea to create a non-profit FLGS???)
o.O
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Ouze wrote:
Anyone can create a religion, but only the IRS can certify one as tax exempt.
Which is problematic for a variety of reasons which I think are self evident.
Yeah... what he says.
Hey... let's all band together and pitch in for a new FLGS "chain" called the "Ecclesiarchy". Make it a Church of playing board games while worshipping the Emprah! Use the tax-exempt savings on the store's operations and fund all "church goers" munchies/caffiene products. All the while providing each members massive discounts on product.!
WHO's WITH ME!
Then... asked the HHS department for exemptions because if the government cheese won't pay for a monthly plastic crack stipends for each member (if they continue to mandate BC), the we shouldn't be forced to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/18 20:53:56
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To be honest now I wonder about the mechanics of actually setting up an organization to worship the God-Emperor.
I better find something else to do because they last time I explored how hard it was to do something in a fit of whimsy I wound up spending 6 months casting plastic asses.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/18 20:55:30
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Ouze wrote:To be honest now I wonder about the mechanics of actually setting up an organization to worship the God-Emperor.
I better find something else to do because they last time I explored how hard it was to do something in a fit of whimsy I wound up spending 6 months casting plastic asses.
That reminds me, the iron butts with rivets... is it possible to get a few more of them, like 3 or so... They're perfect for my Iron Warriors Chaos Spawn
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/18 20:58:51
Subject: Re:Obamacare Exchanges now open
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Ouze wrote:To be honest now I wonder about the mechanics of actually setting up an organization to worship the God-Emperor.
I better find something else to do because they last time I explored how hard it was to do something in a fit of whimsy I wound up spending 6 months casting plastic asses.
I'd start a chapter
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 00:16:18
Subject: Re:Obamacare Exchanges now open
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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whembly wrote:
Maybe we need a thread on this... but, how do you reconcile that, with the provisions in the 1st Amendment regarding freedom of religion?
If one accepts that the exemption reflects an establishment of religion (and is a law), then any question regarding the free exercise of religion becomes moot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 00:18:00
Subject: Re:Obamacare Exchanges now open
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dogma wrote:
If one accepts that the exemption reflects an establishment of religion (and is a law), then any question regarding the free exercise of religion becomes moot.
Could you rephrase that? The latter part.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 00:34:16
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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-Shrike- wrote:If your religious belief is that abstinence is the only permissible form of contraception, surely mandating you to pay for all other forms of contraception could be considered as the government infringing on your beliefs? I'm sure you have some sort of law about that...
Perhaps if your religious belief was that funding all other forms of contraception was an affront to your religion, a belief I don't believe any person holds for religious (used narrowly) reasons.
Though, in my opinion, that's irrelevant because the Establishment Clause should take precedence.
-Shrike- wrote:
Might as well add, in what way is religion more protected than a lack of belief in the US?
We can start with the 1st Amendment, and the respect for religion exhibited therein.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 00:35:13
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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So, could we go ahead and get the employer mandate rolled out so everyone can share in the mutual suck?
That way this thing can go ahead and get repealed.
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Captain Killhammer McFighterson stared down at the surface of Earth from his high vantage point on the bridge of Starship Facemelter. Something ominous was looming on the surface. He could see a great shadow looming just underneath the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, slowly spreading northward. "That can't be good..." he muttered to himself while rubbing the super manly stubble on his chin with one hand. "But... on the other hand..." he looked at his shiny new bionic murder-arm. "This could be the perfect chance for that promotion." A perfect roundhouse kick slammed the ship's throttle into full gear. Soon orange jets of superheated plasma were visible from the space-windshield as Facemelter reentered the atmosphere at breakneck speed. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 04:10:53
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jamesk1973 wrote:So, could we go ahead and get the employer mandate rolled out so everyone can share in the mutual suck?
That way this thing can go ahead and get repealed.
Of course we can. But only after the next elections. The Administration wants to at least limp through those
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 06:05:36
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I was approached tonight by a coal miner handing out literature talking about how 400 mining families in my area are going to lose their insurance. The law of the land rocks!
On a side note, I'm surprised Pajama Boy hasn't popped up in this thread yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 06:18:36
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dogma wrote: -Shrike- wrote:
The latter. I'd be interested to see the response from Dogma, if it ever comes.
I would have to write an essay in order to properly respond to that question, and I am not going to do that.
But I will say that the exemption reflects an establishment of religion, which is (as far as I know) damn near impossible for anyone to claim in suit, and that it is is disgusting that a group so protected would dare to claim being treated otherwise is tantamount to discrimination.
This has nothing to do with the establishment part. This has to do with "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". I don't know how you could confuse this.
The court backing the exemption is not doing it for a particular religion, or even a group of religions. It's backing is there to stop the prohibition of free exercise by religions. If you're arguing this is about establishing a religion... well it just confirms a lot in my eyes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 06:53:58
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Well, it doesn't say "of a", it says "of" - which is much more general.
I don't know that I'd argue a tax exemption is establishing religion (in general) but it certainly seems to establish they have more rights than non-religious. All of the benefits of the organized society while paying none of the taxes that support it.
On the other hand, I think the same tax code also covers secular nonprofits, right? I'm not a tax lawyer obviously but I think it's the same section.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 09:02:33
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Ouze wrote: dogma wrote:
If one accepts that the exemption reflects an establishment of religion (and is a law), then any question regarding the free exercise of religion becomes moot.
Could you rephrase that? The latter part.
Irrelevant would have been a better word than "moot".
Ouze wrote:
On the other hand, I think the same tax code also covers secular nonprofits, right? I'm not a tax lawyer obviously but I think it's the same section.
Yeah, but if you're a secular NPO you need to to cite something beyond being secular in order to qualify as a 501(c)(3).
djones520 wrote:
This has nothing to do with the establishment part. This has to do with "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". I don't know how you could confuse this.
I know the argument being made, but I'm making a different one because I find that argument to be bad. In places where English is the lingua franca this is generally called a counterargument.
djones520 wrote:
The court backing the exemption is not doing it for a particular religion, or even a group of religions. It's backing is there to stop the prohibition of free exercise by religions. If you're arguing this is about establishing a religion... well it just confirms a lot in my eyes.
My argument does not turn on whether or not the court is backing a particular religion, it turns on whether or not the court is backing an establishment of religion of any kind.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 15:43:51
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 16:05:21
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I hadn't heard about Pyjama Boy until now  For someone who captured the votes of the younger demographic and was able to appeal to them this Administration's latest attempts are cringe worthy. It is like watching an embarrassing uncle trying to convince his nieces and nephews that he is still "with it"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 16:51:47
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More trouble...turns out the young folks are passively rebelling. Turns out that health insurance stuff costs money...
From this site; http://www.caintv.com/jay-carney-refuses-to-say-how
If there's been one thing that the White House has made clear about ObamaCare, it's that they need young people to sign up. They need people in their twenties and thirties like Dracula needs "lives for the master." Without a significant number of young, healthy enrollees, the whole ACA scheme becomes unsustainable and the law will fall apart - even worse than it already is.
So, now that they're bragging about having "over a million enrollees," people are starting to wonder if they're anywhere near the desired young/old ratio.
Yesterday, a reporter asked Jay Carney the following:
Do you have any update on all — at all for how successful the effort to find — get people to enroll — healthcare.gov has been on getting young people? What’s the status on that?
Jay's answer was his usual, rambling, barely coherent, pass-the-buck mess.
I don’t have any data specifically broken down by age. I would refer you to CMS. I’m not sure what they have. There’s no question that overall, between now and March 31st, there needs to be a good mix of individuals in — who enroll in the marketplaces. As I think we’ve talked about in general, it is common - as we’ve seen from past experience - for enrollment of any kind in these kind of programs... including the private health insurance that most of you enroll in and have open enrollment periods for, to happen disproportionately towards the end. ...And that young people are even more inclined to wait until the last minute to get their paperwork done or their online applications done. So, having stated those facts, I don’t have any specific information with regards to the age breakdown so far.
The fate of Barack Obama's Presidency, his agenda, and his legacy all hinge on this question. This crummy law is the centerpiece of the last 5 years of Presidential politics. Yet, we're supposed to believe that the White House isn't keeping tabs on this data?
Remember, we're talking about the smartest, sharpest, most tech-savvy President in history. Both of his elections were built on the idea that he was so good with technology that he could watch voter data - in real time - and adjust his strategies accordingly. Now, however, they suddenly don't have the digits?
Sorry, not buying it.
Neither is the media. Carney was actually pressed on the matter, because CMS is also refusing to release the numbers.
CMS won’t give that information out either. I mean, do you not have it? You must have it, right?
Yeah, Mr. White House spokesperson, you must have it. After all, this is kind of a big deal to your boss. Surely, you guys are paying attention, right?
Wrong. Carney clammed up.
I would — I just — I don’t have it. So I would refer you to CMS. I don’t have that data.
Look, we all know what's going on here. It's inconceivable that they're not paying attention to the age ratio, so there are only three possibilities.
A. Young people aren't signing up in sufficient numbers to offset the influx of elderly enrollees and Medicare/Medicaid signups
B. Exposing the number of young enrollees would demonstrate just how far behind their overall signup goals they really are, and shed light on how few people have actually paid.
C. Some combination of A & B
If ObamaCare was maintaining its ratios, even with low enrollment, the President would be screaming it at the top of his lungs. The administration would blame the website for the slow start, but they'd trumpet the fact that, from a fiscal standpoint, the plan was working. They aren't doing that. In fact, they're doing everything they can to avoid giving an accurate portrayal of signup data. That's why they've had to include people who've "selected a plan but haven't paid" on the federal exchange as "enrollees."
It's becoming clearer every day that the botched launch is just the most apparent of ObamaCare's failings. Obama's signature legislation is crumbling under its own weight.
If it's not? Release the data that proves it. Automatically Appended Next Post: Not to mention the video done in extremely poor taste to promote Obamacare to gay men.
Good God. It's like the director said, "We must get every gay stereotype ever into this one video!".
http://www.caintv.com/phil-robertson-cant-cite-scrip
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Captain Killhammer McFighterson stared down at the surface of Earth from his high vantage point on the bridge of Starship Facemelter. Something ominous was looming on the surface. He could see a great shadow looming just underneath the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, slowly spreading northward. "That can't be good..." he muttered to himself while rubbing the super manly stubble on his chin with one hand. "But... on the other hand..." he looked at his shiny new bionic murder-arm. "This could be the perfect chance for that promotion." A perfect roundhouse kick slammed the ship's throttle into full gear. Soon orange jets of superheated plasma were visible from the space-windshield as Facemelter reentered the atmosphere at breakneck speed. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 17:14:17
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If ObamaCare was maintaining its ratios, even with low enrollment, the President would be screaming it at the top of his lungs. The administration would blame the website for the slow start, but they'd trumpet the fact that, from a fiscal standpoint, the plan was working. They aren't doing that. In fact, they're doing everything they can to avoid giving an accurate portrayal of signup data. That's why they've had to include people who've "selected a plan but haven't paid" on the federal exchange as "enrollees."
This will indeed be interesting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 17:21:13
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Can someone explain the hate for "Pajama Boy" cause I really don't get it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 17:25:28
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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I don't think folks realized how bad things can get... just read this:
Expanded Medicaid’s fine print holds surprise: ‘payback’ from estate after death
As thousands of state residents enroll in Washington’s expanded Medicaid program, many will be surprised at fine print: After you’re dead, your estate can be billed for ordinary health-care expenses. State officials are scrambling to change the rule.
It wasn’t the moonlight, holiday-season euphoria or family pressure that made Sofia Prins and Gary Balhorn, both 62, suddenly decide to get married.
It was the fine print.
As fine print is wont to do, it had buried itself in a long form — Balhorn’s application for free health insurance through the expanded state Medicaid program. As the paperwork lay on the dining-room table in Port Townsend, Prins began reading.
She was shocked: If you’re 55 or over, Medicaid can come back after you’re dead and bill your estate for ordinary health-care expenses.
The way Prins saw it, that meant health insurance via Medicaid is hardly “free” for Washington residents 55 or older. It’s a loan, one whose payback requirements aren’t well advertised. And it penalizes people who, despite having a low income, have managed to keep a home or some savings they hope to pass to heirs, Prins said.
With an estimated 223,000 adults seeking health insurance headed toward Washington’s expanded Medicaid program over the next three years, the state’s estate-recovery rules, which allow collection of nearly all medical expenses, have come under fire.
Medicaid, in keeping with federal policy, has long tapped into estates. But because most low-income adults without disabilities could not qualify for typical medical coverage through Medicaid, recovery primarily involved expenses for nursing homes and other long-term care.
The federal Affordable Care Act (ACA) changed that. Now many more low-income residents will qualify for Medicaid, called Apple Health in Washington state.
But if they qualify for Medicaid, they’re not eligible for tax credits to subsidize a private health plan under the ACA, which requires all adults to have health insurance by March 31.
Prins, an artist, and Balhorn, a retired fisherman-turned-tango instructor, separately qualified for health insurance through Medicaid based on their sole incomes.
But if they were married, they calculated, they could “just squeak by” with enough income to qualify for a subsidized health plan — and avoid any encumbrance on the home they hope to leave to Prins’ two sons.
“We’re happy to be getting married,” Prins said last week. “Unfortunately not everyone has such an elegant solution to the problem.”
For Washington state, the solution has been much more complicated.
Over the past month, as lawmakers began hearing from worried and angry constituents, state officials began exploring what it would take to fix this collision of state rules with the ACA.
Late Friday, Gov. Jay Inslee’s office and the state Medicaid office said they plan to draft an emergency rule to limit estate recovery to long-term care and related medical expenses.
They hope to be able to change the rules before coverage begins Jan. 1.
Fixing the problem will cost the state about $3 million a year, said Dr. Bob Crittenden, Inslee’s senior health-policy adviser, but it’s the right thing to do.
“There was no intent on the part of the ACA to do estate recovery on people going into Medicaid (for health insurance),” Crittenden said. “The idea was to expand coverage.”
Unpleasant surprise
People in their 50s and 60s make up about 30 percent of the adults who have signed up for health insurance through Washington’s exchange marketplace, and about 18 percent of adults who have enrolled in health insurance through Apple Health.
Some 55- to 64-year-olds, who may have taken early retirement or who were laid off during the recession, have found themselves plunged into a low-income bracket. Unlike Medicaid recipients in the past — who were required to reduce their assets to qualify — they’re more likely to have a home or other assets.
For health coverage through Medicaid, income is now the only financial requirement.
At first, Prins was pleased at the prospect of free coverage.
But the more she thought about the fine print, the more upset she got. Why was this provision only for people age 55 and older? Why should those insured by Medicaid have to pay back health expenses from their estates when people with just a bit more income who get federal subsidies don’t? Why didn’t she and Balhorn know about this before getting to the application stage?
As Prins began searching for answers, she found that even those trained to help people sign up for insurance under the ACA weren’t aware of this provision, nor were some government officials.
Around the country, the issue has sizzled away in blogs and commentaries from both right and left. The National Women’s Law Center noted the ACA and its regulations prohibit age discrimination in programs such as Medicare and Medicaid.
Dr. Jane Orient, executive director of the politically conservative Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, writing in the The Washington Times, called the recovery provision “a cash cow for states to milk the poor and the middle class.”
“People will think this is wonderful, this is free insurance,” Orient said in an interview. “They don’t realize it’s really a loan, and is secured by any property they have.”
Even states that are now limiting estate recovery, she warned, can change the rules again if budget problems become more intense.
Unclear rules
One reason this snafu has become so troublesome is that ACA rules appear to give those who qualify for Medicaid little choice but to accept the coverage.
People cannot receive a tax credit to subsidize their purchase of a private health plan if their income qualifies them for Medicaid, said Bethany Frey, spokeswoman for the Washington Health Benefit Exchange.
But they could buy a health plan without a tax credit, she added.
For someone age 55 to 64 at the Medicaid-income level — below $15,856 a year — it’s quite a jump from free Medicaid health insurance to an unsubsidized individual plan. Premiums in King County for an age 60 non-tobacco user for the most modest plan run from $451 to $859 per month.
Ball in states’ court
It’s not the first time federal and state rules have clashed, and local officials now find themselves on the hook to ensure that the new law doesn’t create hardship.
In Oregon, state officials changed estate-recovery rules last month.
Recovery will no longer apply to health benefits for those 55 and over, the Oregon Health Authority said, although the state will collect expenses for long-term care.
On Friday, Washington Medicaid Director MaryAnne Lindeblad promised to draft an emergency rule very soon. The state also must revise the plan filed with federal authorities, but Lindeblad said she doesn’t expect problems or appeals of the rule.
As for Prins and Balhorn, they’re good with their choice.
Instead of paying $577 a month apiece for an unsubsidized private plan or worrying about losing their assets after death, as a married couple they’ll pay $76 a month for a midlevel “silver” plan with a tax credit. “Since we’ve been in an established relationship and love each other, the decision to get married was pretty easy,” Prins said.
Sunday, they made a big fruit salad, dressed in tango clothing and were married in their home. Afterward, they danced to their favorite tango music and toasted each other with orange juice and a dash of cranberry.
“I’d be very happy if the governor actually makes this change possible,” Prins said late last week. “And I’m very happy to be getting married!”
Now... lemme preface this that [u=http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/Estate_Recovery]Estate Recovery[/u] is very common amongst the states for those who were on Medicaid. The issue here is that, because of the PPACA, there's significant encouragement to sign up on their state's Medicaid, where these folks are UNAWARE of these provisions.
How's that "Change TM " working for ya? Automatically Appended Next Post: Easy E wrote:Can someone explain the hate for "Pajama Boy" cause I really don't get it.
Because it's fething condenscending as all hell...
Same is that beer keg handstand ad.
How do you not see it?
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I'd really love to read one of these articles where the people the interview don't have borderline real "jobs". Artist? Tango Instructor. For feths sake. It's becoming a caricature.
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cincydooley wrote:I'd really love to read one of these articles where the people the interview don't have borderline real "jobs". Artist? Tango Instructor. For feths sake. It's becoming a caricature.
If it pays the bills I call it a job
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"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 01:43:58
Subject: Re:Obamacare Exchanges now open
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Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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White House Will Allow Some To Buy Catastrophic Health Plans
The Obama administration said Thursday it would allow millions of Americans whose insurance policies had been canceled to purchase bare-bones plans next year, in another eleventh-hour tweak to the law likely to cause consternation among insurance carriers.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told a group of six senators in a letter viewed by The Wall Street Journal that people whose policies had been canceled because of new requirements under the health law would be allowed to purchase 'catastrophic' plans. Those plans had previously been restricted to people under the age of 30 or individuals who qualified for a set of specific hardship exemptions.
So... TL;DR: WSJ: "people whose policies had been canceled because of new requirements" will be "allowed to purchase ‘catastrophic’ plans"
It's going to be a miracle that insurance companies can write these policies, advertise them, get sign-ups and get a first payment in 11 days?
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Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 02:37:40
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Pretty soon they're going to start adding "please" to everything
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"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 02:42:33
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jamesk1973 wrote:If there's been one thing that the White House has made clear about ObamaCare, it's that they need young people to sign up. They need people in their twenties and thirties like Dracula needs "lives for the master." Without a significant number of young, healthy enrollees, the whole ACA scheme becomes unsustainable and the law will fall apart - even worse than it already is.
See, problem there is that's total bs, running on the same "I don't know how ACA actually works and don't want to know, but I'm happy to make gak up so let's do that and call it journalism." People who actually know what the feth they're talking about have run the numbers on what healthcare would cost with different rates of participation of young people; http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/12/17/why-obamacare-wont-spiral-into-fiery-actuarial-doom/ "If young adults (those under 35) were 25 percent less likely than the rest of the population to sign up for Obamacare, they would represent 33 percent of exchange enrollees -- rather than 40 percent. This means there would be fewer young people to subsidize older insurance subscribers. To make up that difference, the experts estimated, insurers would need to increase premiums by a terrifying ... 1 percent." "Levitt, Claxton and Damico also tested a scenario where young adults are half as likely as older shoppers to enroll. In that case, the younger enrollees would make up only a quarter of the exchange market. Premiums would fall 2.5 percent short of covering subscribers." Holy fething gak deathspiral ACA is doomed we all told you so mark one big win for the conservatives because a cost increase of 2.5% is... oh, actually not a death spiral at all. See, people who actually know how this works understand that ACA only limits the cost increase for older consumers, it doesn't remove it entirely. As such, older people still pay considerably more for their healthcare, meaning that a reduced subscription rate among young people will increase premiums only slightly. But of course that doesn't fit in to the narrative of 'ACA is terrible and doomed' and so, shockingly enough, people who really want to believe ACA is terrible and doomed have no idea how it the age provisions actually work.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 03:43:53
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Easy E wrote:Can someone explain the hate for "Pajama Boy" cause I really don't get it.
You have a douche in footsies looking smug in an ad lauding a defunct piece of gak legislation while millions are losing or looking to lose their healthcare because of that legislation.
The situation is tailor made for such emotions...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 03:50:57
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Relapse wrote: Easy E wrote:Can someone explain the hate for "Pajama Boy" cause I really don't get it.
You have a douche in footsies looking smug in an ad lauding a defunct piece of gak legislation while millions are losing or looking to lose their healthcare because of that legislation. The situation is tailor made for such emotions...
This "pajama boy" derailment needs to be Godwin'd. There. Let this be a lesson to you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 04:08:56
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Serious question. Is this Darlene's boyfriend from Roseanne?
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 04:12:45
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Ouze wrote:Serious question. Is this Darlene's boyfriend from Roseanne?
No. Hair is too curly and he's also too young.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 04:12:49
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 04:19:18
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Ouze wrote:Serious question. Is this Darlene's boyfriend from Roseanne?
That guy is the lead in The Big Bang Theory now. Darlene is in it too, and so is Roseanne's sister.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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