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Not really. If I want a trip down memory lane, I can just look at all those in the first few pages of this thread who were essentially saying that we were fibbing. Or at least exaggerating.
Breotan wrote: Not really. If I want a trip down memory lane, I can just look at all those in the first few pages of this thread who were essentially saying that we were fibbing. Or at least exaggerating.
Everyone else can do so, and see the situation you are describing doesn't actually exist (in the window you specify). In fact, by page 2 this thread got pretty much where it is now and stayed there.
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Breotan wrote: Not really. If I want a trip down memory lane, I can just look at all those in the first few pages of this thread who were essentially saying that we were fibbing. Or at least exaggerating.
Everyone else can do so, and see the situation you are describing doesn't actually exist (in the window you specify). In fact, by page 2 this thread got pretty much where it is now and stayed there.
Breotan wrote: Not really. If I want a trip down memory lane, I can just look at all those in the first few pages of this thread who were essentially saying that we were fibbing. Or at least exaggerating.
Everyone else can do so, and see the situation you are describing doesn't actually exist (in the window you specify). In fact, by page 2 this thread got pretty much where it is now and stayed there.
Just look at the other older ACA threads.
Oh... it's delayed again! Saw this in my twitpic thread:
Looks like Obama is going to do the carney trick of stretching things out long enough where he can run off and hide somewhere before it all crashes down:
The threads in which the commentary was exactly the same as the commentary here?
Relapse wrote: Looks like Obama is going to do the carney trick of stretching things out long enough where he can run off and hide somewhere before it all crashes down:
Obama is in his second term, so he is probably not concerned with "...stretching things out..." for his benefit.
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The threads in which the commentary was exactly the same as the commentary here?
Relapse wrote: Looks like Obama is going to do the carney trick of stretching things out long enough where he can run off and hide somewhere before it all crashes down:
Obama is in his second term, so he is probably not concerned with "...stretching things out..." for his benefit.
Just playing with the thought of a flim flam artist staying one step ahead of the tar and feathers with him changing the date for however many it's been now so this doesn't backlash on the senators that voted for it come election time.
The threads in which the commentary was exactly the same as the commentary here?
Relapse wrote: Looks like Obama is going to do the carney trick of stretching things out long enough where he can run off and hide somewhere before it all crashes down:
Obama is in his second term, so he is probably not concerned with "...stretching things out..." for his benefit.
Just playing with the thought of a flim flam artist staying one step ahead of the tar and feathers with him changing the date for however many it's been now so this doesn't backlash on the senators that voted for it come election time.
Also don't forget the "And blame the Republicans" part
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Relapse wrote: The guy can't even spell respect. A republican misspelled "potato" once and the media was all over it, calling him the biggest idiot on the planet.
Relapse wrote: The guy can't even spell respect. A republican misspelled "potato" once and the media was all over it, calling him the biggest idiot on the planet.
Relapse wrote: The guy can't even spell respect. A republican misspelled "potato" once and the media was all over it, calling him the biggest idiot on the planet.
Relapse wrote: The guy can't even spell respect. A republican misspelled "potato" once and the media was all over it, calling him the biggest idiot on the planet.
I actually blush about that post I did. It just amused me at the time I saw it and regarded it together with his miscounting of the states and other things he got wrong.
I put it in this thread with the thought that this is the man who dropped this health care mess on us, and now we understand how he got so badly wrong.
A poor line of thought, I admit.
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Just playing with the thought of a flim flam artist staying one step ahead of the tar and feathers with him changing the date for however many it's been now so this doesn't backlash on the senators that voted for it come election time.
Individual votes, generally speaking, don't impact Senatorial elections all that much.
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The serial delays of Obamacare are coming so rapidly and for such obviously political reasons that the White House is barely even trying to mask its real mission of protecting vulnerable Democrats in the mid-term elections.
In announcing the latest postponement this week — this one allowing individuals to keep their existing health insurance policies through 2016 — the Obama administration carefully credited Sens. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Mark Udall of Colorado, Ron Barber of Arizona and 10 other vulnerable Democratic lawmakers.
All face tough reelection fights in the fall in races in which Obamacare is a key issue.
While it may be politically expedient, rewriting a law passed by Congress simply to avoid ballot box consequences is an outrageous abuse of executive power.
Officially, the administration explains the delay in requiring all policies to meet minimum coverage standards is designed to give consumers greater flexibility in their insurance choices — but just for an additional year.
It doesn’t say it will use the time to reconsider those mandates or to fix Obamacare’s many flaws, nor did it cite the need for more time to implement the law.
The clear intent is to spare Democrats from the outrage that will come when consumers are notified that they’re either losing their policies because they don’t meet the standards, or their premiums are soaring.
The president continues to defend Obamacare as a grand benefit for the nation.
But neither he nor his fellow Democrats are willing to make that case to voters.
Recall that the law was written to delay the steep premium hikes and policy cancellations until the fall of 2013, conveniently after Obama’s reelection campaign.
This latest delay will push the next round of disruptive changes until after the 2016 election.
Several lawsuits are challenging the delays.
Under the Constitution, the president must implement laws as written by Congress.
The implementation dates for Obamacare are specified in the law, and should not be changed without congressional approval.
No law should be reshaped for the sole purpose of benefiting a single political party.
When Republicans proposed delaying Obamacare during last year’s budget stand-off, Obama taunted them with derisive comments about ignoring reality.
Since then, he has delayed the law himself multiple times.
That’s a clear message that Obamacare is not ready for implementation in its current form.
The law will need to be reworked.
And yet the administration has ignored warnings from economists and employers that implementation will slow growth and kill jobs.
Instead of making substantive changes to avert those outcomes, Obama has opted to just delay the consequences until the Democrats responsible for passing the law in the first place are safely reelected.
Paul Bedard wrote:Union: Obamacare will slash wages by up to $5 an hour
A national union that represents 300,000 low-wage hospitality workers charges in a new report that Obamacare will slam wages, cut hours, limit access to health insurance and worsen the very “income equality” President Obama says he is campaigning to fix.
Unite Here warned that due to Obamacare's much higher costs for health insurance than what union workers currently pay, the result will be a pay cut of up to $5 an hour. "If employers follow the incentives in the law, they will push families onto the exchanges to buy coverage. This will force low-wage service industry employees to spend $2.00, $3.00 or even $5.00 an hour of their pay to buy similar coverage," said the union in a new report.
“Only in Washington could asking the bottom of the middle class to finance health care for the poorest families be seen as reducing inequality,” said the report from Unite Here. “Without smart fixes, the ACA threatens the middle class with higher premiums, loss of hours, and a shift to part-time work and less comprehensive coverage,” said the report, titled, “The Irony of Obamacare: Making Inequality Worse.”
Based on government and private reports, polling and statements from administration officials, the report, to be sent to pro-union members in Congress, charges that low-wage workers are taking the hit under Obamacare, while wealthy insurance companies fatten up on government subsidies.
Union head Donald "D." Taylor, in a note also being sent to Congress, demands changes and admits to being reluctant to bash a president his union supported.
“Believe me; I enter this entire debate about the consequences of the ACA with a deep reluctance,” he wrote. “Unite Here was the first union to endorse then-Senator Obama. We support the addition of health care to millions of Americans. Yet facts are facts, and Obamacare will cost our members the equivalent of a significant pay cut to keep their hard-won benefits.”
Taylor and other union leaders have criticized Obamacare before. His union's report was uploaded by Ralston Reports.
Unite Here's document charges that the administration is putting union health care into a "death spiral." It endorsed criticism that employers will move workers to part-time status to avoid the requirement that those working 30 hours or more a week be provided health insurance -- or else the company pays a penalty. And it says the Affordable Care Act will shift workers from union insurance to the more expensive Obamacare health exchanges, costing them up to half of their pay to cover premiums.
“The information addresses the very unfortunate irony of Obamacare,” Taylor said in his letter about the report. “Namely, that it will inevitably lead to the destruction of the health care plans we were promised we could keep. And, as a result, it will lead to greater income inequality for the very segment of the population Obamacare should want to help most.”
Taylor also suggested that Democrats in Washington are telling unions to stop griping about the impact of Obamacare on their members. He quoted a Senate aide saying, “Labor needs to regress to the mean.” Said Taylor: “In other words, roll back what you have and take one for the team. Ironic, given that Congress and the president carved out an exemption for staffers on the ACA. We cannot sit idly by as the politicians carve up our health plans while they carve out exceptions for themselves and every special interest feeding at the trough in Washington.”
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Looks like the delay on the individual mandate was extended again.
That seven-page technical bulletin includes a paragraph and footnote that casually mention that a rule in a separate December 2013 bulletin would be extended for two more years, until 2016. Lo and behold, it turns out this second rule, which was supposed to last for only a year, allows Americans whose coverage was cancelled to opt out of the mandate altogether.
Why, all those low-income folks need to do is stop spending money on luxuries like cable television and cell phones!
The President responded that “if you looked at their cable bill, their telephone, their cell phone bill… it may turn out that, it’s just they haven’t prioritized health care.” He added that if a family member gets sick, the father “will wish he had paid that $300 a month.”
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CptJake wrote: Looks like the delay on the individual mandate was extended again.
That seven-page technical bulletin includes a paragraph and footnote that casually mention that a rule in a separate December 2013 bulletin would be extended for two more years, until 2016. Lo and behold, it turns out this second rule, which was supposed to last for only a year, allows Americans whose coverage was cancelled to opt out of the mandate altogether.
The President responded that “if you looked at their cable bill, their telephone, their cell phone bill… it may turn out that, it’s just they haven’t prioritized health care.” He added that if a family member gets sick, the father “will wish he had paid that $300 a month.”
Seems to be a problem with your video there, I didn't even realise it was a video until I went to reply.
Breaking the shackles of the Echo Chamber, I do agree that cable and cell phones are a luxury. My wife and I do not have cable, and we have pre-paid cell phones (about $100 for a year of service). That being said, if the family in question is living pay check to pay check as claimed, then I would think it reasonable to say that a lot of unnecessary expenditure has already been cut. The President skillfully ignored the message that for low income families that are struggling, and who may not qualify for subsidies, that cost is high is you are treading water financially.
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Cable, for sure. Cell Phone, not so much.
Now certainly you don't need the latest iCrap mobile device with a dataplan. But a basic cell phone with limited texting services is certainly no longer an optional thing to have.
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Its on topic. President says "you shouldn't have cell phone and cable if you want healthcare"
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I should read the fething thread before posting sometimes.
Sorry about that.
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Why, all those low-income folks need to do is stop spending money on luxuries like cable television and cell phones!
The President responded that “if you looked at their cable bill, their telephone, their cell phone bill… it may turn out that, it’s just they haven’t prioritized health care.” He added that if a family member gets sick, the father “will wish he had paid that $300 a month.”
Now, while I say I can't disagree with him entirely, I would like to point out he's the biggest fething hypocrite in the world.
Maybe he should start thinking like that when he's spending the nations money.
