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Jared Bond 1 minute ago

@Alpha - 1) TOTO level ($12) gets you just 1 figure. *But* the Headless horseman is one of the "Sacred 40" (40 figures from the previous campaign) which are sold in sets. So you'd have to get Box Set #2 for $30. I'm not sure how to pledge for just this. Email Alex.
2) BIG BAD WOLF level ($100) gets you all the new figures (around 36 now?)
3) NUTCRACKER PRINCE level ($240) gets you all the new figures *and* the 40 old figures.
4) IRON JOHN level ($150) gets you the new figures, the games, and then you can add $150 to get all of the 40 old figures
5) Once you figure all that out, check out the add-ons, as there are some other fun things there to get.

Alpharius just now

So... IRON JOHN for $150 plus an additional $150 gets me all the miniatures produced to date and in this campaign?

Jared Bond 7 minutes ago

Yes. And no. There are some "exclusive" figures you'll be missing:
1) Bonus figure for also backing the Ninja Dice game (an Undead Viking)
2) Bonus figure for backing the original KS and this one (Gears of Bremen)
3) You didn't mention games....there are a few side-games that are in the add-on section as well.

So, somewhat clearer now, though I'm still a bit confused...

Yeah, this whole thing confuses me. I like a lot of the renders, but I dunno.....

Just too many unknowns for me so far...

I also like a lot of the renders and feel that they'd be fun to paint up - but I've no idea if the game itself is any good - or even if it is any fun!


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I think that the Toto level would be ok. $12 isn't to bad, and that clarification helped a lot. But... how do we contact Alex? i take it that ino is over at KS? It's not the most straightforward post...

Hmmm. I'm so...unsure about these minis at that pricepoint . It seems kinda high for board game pawn type minis.

Gar, but I really like some of the renders.

I'm not sure I understand those that are saying the pricepoint is wrong. At the $100 level, its currently 36 minis. That's $2.78 per model, including 5 40mm models. Assuming decent plastic/resin (though that's a bit of the unknown) and the renders turn out fairly well, then it seems a pretty solid price.

Now, there have been better, especially in the board game area, but these are all unique models.

It is odd at this point that the "Sacred 40" comes in at $140/$150. There are some very interesting models in that range though.

 drazz wrote:
I'm not sure I understand those that are saying the pricepoint is wrong. At the $100 level, its currently 36 minis. That's $2.78 per model, including 5 40mm models. Assuming decent plastic/resin (though that's a bit of the unknown) and the renders turn out fairly well, then it seems a pretty solid price.
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Problem there being, of course, that you have to be in for $100 to start. For a game that may or may not need them?

I'm not even sure where the $150 for the Sacred 40 comes from - unless...that's just all the S40 box sets added up?

It'd be nice to see other unique ranges hit this kind of funding too, especially considering the lack of actual test models at this point. They had talked about models at the end of the previous campaign. That was ran during the summer. Here it is inching closer and closer to November and we still have nothing to see but concept work.

I know I'm being very pessimistic about this, but for a miniatures centric kickstarter (as the only games involved here are from the previous campaign, which I already paid for a while back, and some future nebulous ones... which I would assume would come with miniatures as well) I need to see something more than just renders.

I would like to buy in, but they really haven't done much to win me over the second time around yet. The artwork looks great, and there's some neat ideas for figures.

But still...

I'm leaning this way too.

Might have to wait for 'retail' to pick up most/any of these.

The strategy behind this KS is that they had backers wanting mini's, and they decided to go with a KS soon after the previous one to keep the momentum up. In the previous KS, they were willing to take a loss, but not this one.

KS is not a store, and all that. The risk in this KS is that you're not shown sculpts or renders of many of the miniatures, the company is new, the company is taking a loss, etc. etc. Another risk is that fairytale figures are public domain, so another company with less risk can just as easily put out a similar set of miniatures (eg. Reaper's catalog of fairytale figures).

Here's a list of the Sacred 40. Buried in the previous KS, although there may be a better description in the current one: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/682539325/fairytale-games-the-battle-royale/posts/528482

Does anyone have any idea of who are the people behind this? I saw that the guy has another KS that just recently finished and having a new one again so soon makes me worry that he's basically biting off more than he can chew. Any established names behind this venture?

Nope! I also checked the website and nada.

The required KS "Risks and Challenges" is a joke, and there's really no accountability on it.

Welcome to KS!!!

EDIT: Check out the Guild of Harmony website for similarly sculpted figures!

This is their website.

http://thefairytalegames.com/


When someone spouts off at the hole this much with nothing to show for it, buyer beware.


Good looking concept, but the doublespeak and flashy Las Vegas advertising has drowned out any sort of credibility for me.


Don't aim too high with this one, there is an issue between it and the first KS project in that they promised. The magic question is How many KS projects can you shill before you overstep yourself?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/682539325/fairytale-games-the-battle-royale/comments

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1396565454/a-card-game-to-beat-your-friends-senseless

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1396565454/a-card-game-to-beat-your-friends-senseless/posts


Buyer beware


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Sining wrote:
Does anyone have any idea of who are the people behind this? I saw that the guy has another KS that just recently finished and having a new one again so soon makes me worry that he's basically biting off more than he can chew. Any established names behind this venture?

Alex Lim
Alexander Lim
Artistic Justice Games
Fairytale games

with added additions of ninja dice games, There is other bullgak in there too, but at the point I'm at now with what I've been digging- I'm not buying anything of what is being said.

There is far too much "We're going to give you this with a side order of chips" for my taste. Smoke and mirrors is all they have.


Seriously, KS is getting to be a little too much of a house of cards.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:


I know I'm being very pessimistic about this, but for a miniatures centric kickstarter (as the only games involved here are from the previous campaign, which I already paid for a while back, and some future nebulous ones... which I would assume would come with miniatures as well) I need to see something more than just renders.

I would like to buy in, but they really haven't done much to win me over the second time around yet. The artwork looks great, and there's some neat ideas for figures.

But still...

I'm wavering back and forth as well. But, Greenbrier Games, the company doing the minis, already has a 2 or 3 retail box sets for Zpocalpyse and expansions. They all contain miniatures, a few examples of which I posted on the 1st page.

So the question is not capability in regards to the miniatures. The question is capability in regards to Alexander Lim and his company being able to keep things together after the project closes.

Some of my concerns:
Fixed $5,000 between each stretch goal. The pledge #s are increasing but every mini company with experience doing a kickstarter is/has learned to increase the amount between the stretches.
The sheer number of minis that will be produced and the cost per unit. Currently, I'm in for 80+ at $240 = $3 per mini.

Some of my assurances:
The minis are being produced (in what I can only assume) is a process where Greenbrier Games takes control from the sculpts to the final plastic product. Even if it's not done in house, they DO have a proven track record of production.
The concept to mini translation is looking good.
The minis will be big, and therefore I will get all (hopefully) of the detail seen in the sculpts.

Furthermore, there have been some recent additions to the character line-up.

Mulan


Beast


There are also 3 'cheesecake' figures being offered as add-ons. ($12 each or $30 for the 3)
Rapunzel (who, in the creator's own words, is "mostly skin and hair ")
Robin Hood
Diao Chan

The concept art is only done for Diao Chan, which you can see here:

NSFW

So $240 gets us all the miniatures for the game, including all stretch goals from this campaign and the "Sacred 40"?

I think in the end I'm going to sit this one out, unless they actually hit Lu Bu... then I'd at least have to get him.

I thought about pledging, but then thought again- I've arleady got the "Sacred 40" set coming with the original campaign, and whenever they get around to their Heroquest style game, I'm sure more will be included/ available/ have new ones to release.

Still, there's some very interesting and unique designs here. Glad I'm getting that Mulan figure with my original purchase. She looks pretty cool.

 Alpharius wrote:
So $240 gets us all the miniatures for the game, including all stretch goals from this campaign and the "Sacred 40"?

Yes, for the most part.

There are the 3 cheesecake minis that are add-ons for $12 each ($30 for the 3).
There's also a cross-promotional mini (an undead viking?) for backers of a related ninja dice campaign.

I'm tempted to go in for $240 to get all the minis.

But I'm equally tempted to stay out, wait until they're actually available retail, and potentially avoid a huge disaster that might be in the works here...

I'll be waiting until retail. That dumb ass "sacred 40" nonsense is a ridiculous idea.

1-2 exclusive models I get. 40? Cut off your nose to spite your face.

 cincydooley wrote:
I'll be waiting until retail. That dumb ass "sacred 40" nonsense is a ridiculous idea.

1-2 exclusive models I get. 40? Cut off your nose to spite your face.

Eh, it's that whole backer exclusive nonsense.

Plus, they gave away 40 of those to everyone in the first campaign, which while nice for the consumer, is a ridiculously stupid business move in my opinion. They are going to be taking such a loss it's not even funny. Yeah, they got a lot of interest. Yeah, they had a big initial rush to their current campaign due to what they did last time. I don't blame them for wanting to recoup their costs a bit.

I will be seriously impressed if they're able to deliver all the crap that I was able to get for 65 bucks or whatever last time around. Four games that constitute thousands of cards, expansions to said game, 40 figures, mini games... it's a lot.

Of course BattleCON: Devastation of Indines has a box full of junk for roughly the same price, but that campaign didn't include any miniatures either.

I think I get it now, but the first thing to keep in mind is that they will have a pledge manager later so you can yadda yadda. (If I've made an error below, please correct me!)

The page is rather confusingly laid out though*: for example, the "Snow" (Snow White) character is a "Sacred 40" character, but a "Big Bad Wolf" pledge will net you a "Zombie Snow" (Box set #4 on the right).



The "Sacred 40" are available in 6 sets for $30 per set or 2 for $50 (so you can get them all for $150)


*Which means that this image contains both regular pledge items and "Sacred 40" pledge items in the same image. Irksome.

"Nutcracker Prince" level seems...decent?

Pledge $240 or more

NUTCRACKER PRINCE ~ For those who are here for our beautifully designed miniatures only, this tier offers ALL BOX SETS and the SACRED 40 MINIS (from the add-ons) as well as ALL STRETCH GOALS! You'll also receive an Illustrated E-Book with Bios/Storylines of each Miniature Character and an EXCLUSIVE Queen of Hearts Boss card + Quest Card Variant! (Please add your area Shipping amount manually to your Pledge)
Estimated delivery: Sep 2014

Still unsure though, and only 23 hours left to decide!

If these figures turn out even half-decent I'll be all over most of them. I love the concept, and the renders look quite good, too. I'll be waiting for reviews of them before giving them a go, though.

Probably the smart play at this point...

For the moment I'm taking a bit of a gamble and going for the basic pledge, with the hope that they will surprise me later.

It's really quite hard to get a feel for the deal here: it's not the bonanza of miniatures that something like Sedition Wars had (which in fairness, may very well be for the best...), but for individual characters it runs much cheaper then projects like Bombshell miniatures. The big models are pretty darned big,



But at the same time these are pre-assembled miniatures in "PVC 95 degrees plastic" (more on this here).

And they've never released or produced any miniatures previously. I'm interested in the models, but I can't say I trust the company until I see some product.

 cincydooley wrote:
And they've never released or produced any miniatures previously. I'm interested in the models, but I can't say I trust the company until I see some product.

I addressed this above. Yes, the company in question has never released or produced any miniatures previously. However, the company who's actually handling the modeling and production has.

Greenbrier Games
http://www.greenbriergames.com/gbg/

That's great that greenbrier did something completely unrelated to this company; it doesn't have any bearing on whether or not this Alex Lim company will be able to.

I mean, I find it increasing sketchy that this brand new company with no actual products to show for it is running a 2nd Kickstarter before any product has actually been delivered for the first.

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