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greywulf wrote:
Just to echo some of what tripleplay said, the involvement of Greenbrier Games (an established miniatures company) is what gives me confidence.

That's better than at the time of the first Fairytale KS, but just because you have an artist or sculptor, doesn't mean you have a product. The litigation-infested Up Front has its art nearly (?) ready, but the artists haven't even been paid yet. I'm assuming GG has better terms than that, but it's also possible that GG will only bring the project to the concept sculpts stage. Part of the KS funds Reaper will use is for the down-payment of the molds used in manufacturing. If you saw the recent Reaper video, they didn't need any KS funds for the model prototypes.

At this point, I hope the project succeeds. I don't see anyone gaining anything if it fails.

 Cyporiean wrote:

You forgot the cost to sculpt those figures as well. Given the quality of the renders shown assume $1,000 per figure.. or another $100,000 in the money pit.

They'd like be around $0.60 each to cast... No idea how many figures each backer gets, but this will not be that expensive.. only a few thousand.

Those decks would probably come out to $130k just to print, not counting the art and design costs.

Oh gak. Completely forgot about the sculpting costs.

And with those deck printing costs, it's even more shaky.

Maybe they're committing a lot more of their money that we realize. But I doubt it. Again, I hope people don't get screwed over, but man, it just doesn't smell right to me.

Are these going to be available for retail later on, or will they be exclusive to the Kickstarter? I'm really sad I missed these, they look really cool.

Actually I do remember Alex saying something during the first KS about investing a lot of their own money into the campaign, with the first serving as a loss leader in the hopes of bringing more people on board a more financially sound campaign.

I'm not saying that this is a financially solid campaign (I just don't know)

but running projects as different companies/accounts is not uncommon if different financial partnerships are involved

eg

Cyper (Hell Dorado) + Soda Pop (Relic Knights in combination with CMON) + Paladium (no KS profile) came together as Ninja Divison to run the Robotech KS

(of course if all those involved were the same that's a different story)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm not saying that this is a financially solid campaign (I just don't know)

but running projects as different companies/accounts is not uncommon if different financial partnerships are involved

eg

Cyper (Hell Dorado) + Soda Pop (Relic Knights in combination with CMON) + Paladium (no KS profile) came together as Ninja Divison to run the Robotech KS

(of course if all those involved were the same that's a different story)

There's a lot more to that Story than that. I don't really see it as the same, but to each his own.

I suspect your interpretation may well be right (sadly)

but felt I should point out there might be another explanation

as with all KS/preorder stuff people have to make their own minds up as you say

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Actually I do remember Alex saying something during the first KS about investing a lot of their own money into the campaign, with the first serving as a loss leader in the hopes of bringing more people on board a more financially sound campaign.

This rings so many warning bells... There was another KS like this recently, Clang! which assumed that they were able to finance their project with outside finances once their KS funding finished. And in the end, it didn't.

There's been an update with positive news for the future, including artwork for another card game that's planned for after the delivery of the fairytale card game and the miniatures.

Here's a WIP of Peter Pan from the update:



Furthermore, soon after the campaign finished some of the backers discovered this dakkadakka thread. The creator did too. It was a little after the fact but the creator set up a FAQ page to respond to basically all the questions about legitimacy that were brought up here.

The FAQ can be found here:

http://thefairytalegames.com/faqs/

And just so you get an idea, the covered questions are as follows:
-WHO IS ARTISTIC JUSTICE?
-WHO IS ALEXANDER LIM?
-WHY ARE THE MARTIAL ARTS GAME AND THE FAIRYTALE GAMES UNDER DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS ON KICKSTARTER?
-WAS THERE OR IS THERE ANY INTENTION OF HIDING THE DIFFERENT IDENTITIES? IS THERE A REASON FOR SO MANY FACEBOOK ACCOUNTS?
-BUT I DON’T GET WHY ALL THE CAMPAIGNS HAPPEN SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER!
-YOU TOOK A HUGE LOSS IN THE FIRST FAIRYTALE GAMES CAMPAIGN. WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT?
-OK SO YOU PURPOSELY TOOK A LOSS ON YOUR FIRST FAIRYTALE GAMES CAMPAIGN. WHO IS YOUR INVESTOR AND HOW CAN YOU NOT GO BANKRUPT?!?

Sorry for the caps. Just doing a direct copy-paste.

New update. I probably won't update from now on unless there are some major things to report on, or unless anyone wants me to keep updating. Raise your voice if that's the case.

A new WIP section has been added to the Minis tab on the webpage, found here:
http://thefairytalegames.com/minis/work-in-progress-wip-sculpts/

New WIPs:







A new update also showed off some test 3D prints. These prints were basically for scaling and not even close to production quality.





I would take that Beast and Jabberwock off their hands right now. They would look good as-is with some paint on them!

Yes.

Still no card game.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1396565454/a-card-game-to-beat-your-friends-senseless/posts

They are sending "Thier art" to yet another game, with more cross polination funding. Still looks like a pipe dream to me.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/johnwrot/the-kings-armory-the-tower-defense-board-game-0/posts/671059


Alot of promises coming out of that camp. Hope they can deliver at least one or two of them.

And... Pretty Quiet on the webpage front. That happens when you have so many irons in the preverbial fire.

http://martialartstcg.wordpress.com/

Who's this? Is this a coincidence?

http://www.artisticjustice.com/Home.html

http://www.artisticjustice.com/Contact.html