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Hi all,

I will be playing first time against Eldar. I'm aware that the new codex has buffed them a lot. What unit and tactics can Space Wolves use to win?

Any hints are most welcomed.

Get in close combat. That shouldn't be too hard to do. All our fancy weaponry is useless in melee. Just be sure to shoot our actual CC units (Banshees, Harlequins, Scorpions, Autarchs w/ Shard, etc.)

Drop pods. It's not an easy win, but a good drop pod list can handle any army out there.

 Araenion wrote:
Drop pods. It's not an easy win, but a good drop pod list can handle any army out there.

Except interceptor-heavy tau or Hellturkey-heavy CSM.

And what a good drop pod army against Eldar should look like? Loganwing with Fangs and Termies? Lots of GH?

Someone in another thread claimed Logan with a bunch of PA WG toting combi-weapons was the best 'alpha strike' list. Not sure I agree, but you have to admit that's pretty darn scary.


Termies are expensive so I don't think many would make it into a good drop pod list.

From my experience, an PA WG alpha strikr gets shoot down in the following enemy phase

I can't catch the Eldar with the BA, so I don't know how you are proposing SW foot sloggers do it.

Rephrase: I can catch them with the two straggling survivors of a 10 man squad.

I can field any units in the SW Codex. I was thinking about 5 Drop Pods with GH and WG TDA , Long Fangs and SwiftClaws. The problem with Eldar is the same as with their Dark cousins. Its hard to survive a turn to get to the assault.

My BA/SM have considerably fewer problems with DE as they are often wounding on 4+, not 2+. Eldar have access to obscene amounts of S6/7 shots.

That might be a problem. SW razorspam can outshoot DE with a bit of luck. I have no idea how to play against Eldar.

gausus wrote:
From my experience, an PA WG alpha strikr gets shoot down in the following enemy phase

Yup, that's why you bring Logan and 5 DP full of them with Combis. Do so much damage on the first turn that there isn't enough left to hurt you too bad. Your remaining Pods can drop in later to try to take objectives or contain leakers.

Hmm. I'm looking for an example of such list. The problem is, that with Eldar superior shooting my WG DropPod assault (1800 pts) would have about 45 models.
And that will just allow Eldar to shoot down every new wave of units i deploy.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 Araenion wrote:
Drop pods. It's not an easy win, but a good drop pod list can handle any army out there.

Except interceptor-heavy tau or Hellturkey-heavy CSM.

Well, that's why you don't go all drop pods. I honestly don’t reside in a cutthroat meta so I never faced a tripledrake or triptide list and most of my experience comes from playing against marines, not with them, but as an Eldar player I know drop pods can be a great way to limit the amazing mobility Eldar possess by the way of board control and threat overload.

Only for a turn. Then the surviving Eldar leave the foot sloggers in the dust and get back to scoot and shoot.

I find the keys against Eldar (and Tau) are target prioritization and being mindful of objectives. Don't worry so much about tabling an Eldar army... a good Eldar commander won't let that happen. Apply your power to obtaining your objectives and not letting the Xenos dirty tricks stop you from doing that.

I struggle immensely in kill point games vs Eldar, though.

So in other words - play the objectives, not the enemy. Still, what units can be competitive versus Eldar?

Definitely play the mission! Concentrate what fire power you have on his troop choices to stop him from holding them!

It would help if you have a rough idea what he'd take? Ie serpent spam, jetbikes heavy, wraiths, or loads of aspects!

He's army is:

Farseer on Jetbike, Spear

Dire Avengers, Wave Serpent (two 5 man squads)
Guardians with gun platform, wave serpent

Wraithguards (5), Wave Serpent
Wraithlords (2)

Swooping hawks (5)
Crimson Hunter

Rune Priests are my bane. Them and their stupid 24" no eldar magic ability.

At least we don't have to worry about Jaws.

Second rune priests to shut down psykers. Living lightning is a good power against eldar, so is murderous hurricane. If your going book powers those help too.

Against wave serpents, either shoot them in the rear or assault, otherwise they are damn hard to drop.

Our assault hits first but is generally weak, where space wolves will almost always win.

Thunderwolf cav and long fangs are usually my top priorities when I am playing wolves. Drop pod lists can hurt as well but that is a bit more variable.

Hmm I think you're best bet is pods. As mentioned earlier, TWC and Long Fangs will just get dakka'd off the table too quickly by the amount of str 6/7 eldar can dish out. Also, forget Logan as he's way too much of a point sink. Take two RP for maximum psychic nerfage, 3 squads of 7-8 WG with combis (who cares if they're not scoring they will die in your opponents next shooting phase) and as many GH as you can fit.

My favorite GH loadout:

10 man, 2x special wep, Standard, MotW, Pod: 210(flamer), 215(melta), 220(plas)

Always go 10 man GH for the free special. WG in TDA w/ HF can be cool but they are costly.

Your opponent's deployment is also going to have a big effect on the outcome. If he's smart, he'll deploy in a castled formation. If he's not, he'll spread his force out across his board edge. Either way, you are going to want to concentrate your pods on one side of his force. With two wraith lords on the field, I'd go ahead and eliminate them first as they are the most vulnerable to your the WG's combi weps. If his wraithguard are equipped with d-scythes however, POP THAT TANK. You don't need to kill them on the first turn per se, just make sure their serpent is down so you can kill them in assault/your second drop. Serpents are going to be hard to crack, and the best way to do it is in assault, when he doesn't get the benefits of jink save and the serpent shield. Stuff enough krak grenades in its tail pipe and it goes boom like anything else. It's not gonna be easy any way you slice it brother, but there is hope.

Alternatively, field them as a successor chapter in a C:SM list Not being snide here, just trying find some benefit to wearing power armor these days.

It is possible to wreck Wave Serpents with one turn of LF krak shooting. But still, the bonus for exploding transports S4 hit is lost.

As for the second Rune Priest - i can put him on a bike, to as some mobility.

I have a question about TWC - they need inv save against Eldar . Yet, they get expensive that way. How can i make best of them?

gausus wrote:
It is possible to wreck Wave Serpents with one turn of LF krak shooting. But still, the bonus for exploding transports S4 hit is lost.

As for the second Rune Priest - i can put him on a bike, to as some mobility.

I have a question about TWC - they need inv save against Eldar . Yet, they get expensive that way. How can i make best of them?

Take 3 models per unit: 1 power fist and 2 shields. If you place right then a 3rd shield shouldn't be that big a deal/necessity. Add Wolf Lords as necessary.

Don't take a low model count list - Eldar will kill wolf guard terminators just as easily as Grey hunters. You may as well take the extra bodies.

A full drop pod lists stands the best chance imo - podding behind wave serpants and breaking them with melta is nice. I'd almost be tempted to take Bjorn to try and ensure first turn - that way your pods drop out of the sky and the wave serpents don't get chance to get the holo-fields going. But he's also a 270pts dreadnought...

Pods will work against that list as he is woefully short on shuriken fire and scoring units so if you get close and kill the serpents he's done and won't be scoring any objectives. At that point you could win the game with a single trooper.

Against many other Eldar lists it's a death sentence. When facing massed Guardians and Dire Avengers the *last* place you want to be is within 18" and unable to charge.

In case of a Drop Pod list i'm not so eager to go first. A good player will place his WaveSerpents at the end of a table. That will deny me the possibility to attack the Serpents from the rear.

But they have no cover save until they move - its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other :/. As soon as they move it's 50/50 your shots won't do anything anyway.

For dealing with Serpents, you want quantity over quality. The more low Strength shots you can throw, the more chances cover saves will be failed. High Strength weapons (since they fire so slowly), if not saved will be knocked down to glance 5/6ths of the time.

astro_nomicon wrote:
My favorite GH loadout:

10 man, 2x special wep, Standard, MotW, Pod: 210(flamer), 215(melta), 220(plas)

I feel that up against most opponents the CC upgrades aren't worth the points. Standard and MotW together is something like 25 points that can probably be better spent elsewhere.