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Since Daemons are interconnected between the 2 worlds, and it's known that people get sucked into the warp once in a while then.

It's possible for them to end up on the other side of the world, or the fantasy setting...

So is it possible?

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Yes. As best I can tell, the WHFB world is roughly concurrent with the 40k world. 40k takes place a little over 10,000 years after the birth of slaanesh, while in WHFB, slaanesh is born, an unknown amount of time passes, and then we;re several thousand years after that.

No reason the WHFB wold can't be completely conquered in a week at any time by 10 movie marines in a drop pod.



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 Makutsu wrote:
Since Daemons are interconnected between the 2 worlds, and it's known that people get sucked into the warp once in a while then.

It's possible for them to end up on the other side of the world, or the fantasy setting...

So is it possible?


I would think it possible given the warp - could be fun

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I've always believed they originally planned for Sigmar to be one of the two mystery Primarchs. So yeah I'd say so.

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In terms of the two similar universes...it seem GW is drifting them back towards each other

The new Dark Elf Army book has made them alot more like Dark Eldar - for instance I don't recall anything before Elves souls being automtically eaten by Slaanesh unless preserved by Waystones etc or being stolen by the trickster god.............

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Wait, what? What's the source for ' Daemons are interconnected between the 2 worlds'..?

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I imagine the Fantasy world is just a single world near the eye of terror sometime near the end of the strife age.

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Are'nt there some Demons that appear in both WFB and 40K Army Books / Codexes ?

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 Vaerros wrote:
Wait, what? What's the source for ' Daemons are interconnected between the 2 worlds'..?


Probably because they use the exact same units, fluff, etc between the 2 games?

I'm just assuming that they are connected which makes huge sense in my POV.

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Yeah, there is a demons army in both 40k and WHFB, and they both use the same models.

Hell, this is a unit in WHFB demons:



That's right, this half-demon, half defiler demon engine is in a fantasy army.


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I've always said that the WHFB world is just another random medieval planet with a small warp portal or near the Eye of Terror which hasn't been found by the Imperium or anything else other than daemons.


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Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I've always said that the WHFB world is just another random medieval planet with a small warp portal or near the Eye of Terror which hasn't been found by the Imperium or anything else other than daemons.


I imagine it's Some time just after the HH considering that Sigmar [who arguably a Primarch] was around 2000 years ago.

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 Makutsu wrote:
 Vaerros wrote:
Wait, what? What's the source for ' Daemons are interconnected between the 2 worlds'..?


Probably because they use the exact same units, fluff, etc between the 2 games?

I'm just assuming that they are connected which makes huge sense in my POV.


There's setting element crossover(Chaos, etc), but the universe was created as a sci-fi -oriented counter-part for WFHB. I think the common elements could be thought as more 'ported' than identical because there are just too many differences.

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This discussion came up a while ago, to put it simply the 2 universe's are connected by the warp, but that's where it ends, they have absolutely nothing to do with each other, other than a smattering of objects crossing over and deamons/gods.
   
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Like others in this thread, and I'm sure a lot of the player base, I've always considered the WHFB planet to be one of the many trillions from the 40K setting - which has simply been undiscovered thus far, or perhaps kept isolated by those slick Eldar folk for whatever reason.
   
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 Formosa wrote:
This discussion came up a while ago, to put it simply the 2 universe's are connected by the warp, but that's where it ends, they have absolutely nothing to do with each other, other than a smattering of objects crossing over and deamons/gods.


If they are connected by the warp that means it's actually possible to travel to it.

If 10 Space Marines get there what will end up is them taking over the world or something since power armor is probably not going to be gone through by arrows or crossbows...
I know there is Magic, but magic is just psychic powers, and if the Space Marines were Grey Knights they would probably slay the entire planet by themselves...


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 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
Like others in this thread, and I'm sure a lot of the player base, I've always considered the WHFB planet to be one of the many trillions from the 40K setting - which has simply been undiscovered thus far, or perhaps kept isolated by those slick Eldar folk for whatever reason.


Probably, I like the Eldar isolation which they are pretty known to do.

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2500+ points W/D/L: 0/0/3
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Or kept in a certain 'time-bubble' by the Chaos gods as they had a large amount of power then?

Is possible, see that Ork Boss

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In the past there have been some 40k references in WHFB, not sure if there have been any in the last few editions. In one of the campaign things there was a "magic" item that was basically a power fist.

I know I once modeled the "flaming breath" chaos reward by strapping a flamer on the saddle of my chaos lord's steed.

Fluff is flexible. If it sounds good to you, run with it. Back in 2nd ed 40k and 5th? WHFB the stat lines between the games was much closer then it is now. Made crossovers a lot easier. I know 3rd 40k wacked a lot of that out of line, not sure if it's changed back.

   
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This makes me think back to medieval war movies (LOTR for example) and seeing the ranks of Warriors charging at each other.

And imagining that it would take approximately 60 seconds for 4 guys with MGs to wipe out an entire army...

Dragons vs Flakk turrets?
Shields vs Laserbeams?
Catapults vs Floating tanks?
Castle Walls vs a Railgun?

the carnage is almost scary to think about

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Fortunately we have the perfect defense (right now) against Lasguns, lascannons and other "laser" weapons. It is called a mirror.

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Im pretty damn sure the Mirror would melt in a few seconds under Las fire

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Too be fair, The amount of Warp Energy that flows through Fantasy would almost make it a daemon world. And the amount of Psykers of high grade/power would easily warrant an exterminatus. But I doubt that 10 marines would accomplish much. Do some Marines die to Ork Slugga boys? They will dies just as easy to an Orc Choppa or beastman axe. Do Ogryns beat some Marines In CC? An Ogre with a great weapon is arguably more effective due to sharp bits. Do marines die to auto cannon fire (Eventually...)? Then they will die to a cannon.

It would take a reasonable force to take hold of the fantasy universe simply because of the powerful psykers who throw warp lightning around like toys, or raise entire continents as undead. Grey knights are strong psykers, but not on the same scale as the Slann or Nagash, who in the cross over, would arguably be an Alpha psyker.

 
   
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So, to derail the thread slightly, what size of a 40k army fluffwise would it take to conquer the Fantasy world?

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 IHateNids wrote:
This makes me think back to medieval war movies (LOTR for example) and seeing the ranks of Warriors charging at each other.

And imagining that it would take approximately 60 seconds for 4 guys with MGs to wipe out an entire army...

Dragons vs Flakk turrets?
Shields vs Laserbeams?
Catapults vs Floating tanks?
Castle Walls vs a Railgun?

the carnage is almost scary to think about

Ah, but WHFB is fighting on home ground. So that Power Armour is suddenly a 4+ when hit by a S4 attack, and Space Marines have no Wizards, so all our Lvl4s will be casting with a +4 advantage!

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 IHateNids wrote:
So, to derail the thread slightly, what size of a 40k army fluffwise would it take to conquer the Fantasy world?


I'd say about as many well equiped guardsman as how many Chaos warriors it would take to conquer the world.

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 The Shadow wrote:
 IHateNids wrote:
This makes me think back to medieval war movies (LOTR for example) and seeing the ranks of Warriors charging at each other.

And imagining that it would take approximately 60 seconds for 4 guys with MGs to wipe out an entire army...

Dragons vs Flakk turrets?
Shields vs Laserbeams?
Catapults vs Floating tanks?
Castle Walls vs a Railgun?

the carnage is almost scary to think about

Ah, but WHFB is fighting on home ground. So that Power Armour is suddenly a 4+ when hit by a S4 attack, and Space Marines have no Wizards, so all our Lvl4s will be casting with a +4 advantage!


Problem is you'll never get fought in close combat, an S4 bolter in 40k is probably a S10 shot in Fantasy.
Also a 3+ armor in 40k is probably a 3+ Ward Save in Fantasy.

Unless you're telling me that arrows somehow can go through power armor...

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2500+ points W/D/L: 0/0/3
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 Makutsu wrote:
 The Shadow wrote:
 IHateNids wrote:
This makes me think back to medieval war movies (LOTR for example) and seeing the ranks of Warriors charging at each other.

And imagining that it would take approximately 60 seconds for 4 guys with MGs to wipe out an entire army...

Dragons vs Flakk turrets?
Shields vs Laserbeams?
Catapults vs Floating tanks?
Castle Walls vs a Railgun?

the carnage is almost scary to think about

Ah, but WHFB is fighting on home ground. So that Power Armour is suddenly a 4+ when hit by a S4 attack, and Space Marines have no Wizards, so all our Lvl4s will be casting with a +4 advantage!


Problem is you'll never get fought in close combat, an S4 bolter in 40k is probably a S10 shot in Fantasy.
Also a 3+ armor in 40k is probably a 3+ Ward Save in Fantasy.

Unless you're telling me that arrows somehow can go through power armor...


The sun staff from the lizardmen is probably a lasguns, and it's str5 in WHFB terms.

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so a Bolter is S6, -3 to any saves.

And Arrows could quite easily go through power armour, I point you towards to quite obvious bullet traps in many places

And actually, a 10-man TH/SS Termie squad vs a full combat Fantasy army. 2+/3+ Ward

good look fantasy, especially considering they will solo a dragon XD

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 IHateNids wrote:
so a Bolter is S6, -3 to any saves.

And Arrows could quite easily go through power armour, I point you towards to quite obvious bullet traps in many places

And actually, a 10-man TH/SS Termie squad vs a full combat Fantasy army. 2+/3+ Ward

good look fantasy, especially considering they will solo a dragon XD


Arrows probably can't even go through a tank IRL, let alone power armor.

I think a full marine chapter should be able to take over the fantasy world with no problem at all.

40K:
5000+ points W/D/L: 10/0/6
4000+ points W/D/L: 7/0/4
1500+ points W/D/L: 16/1/4

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2500+ points W/D/L: 0/0/3
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*And actually, a 10-man TH/SS Termie squad vs a full combat Fantasy army. 2+/3+ Ward

good look fantasy, especially considering they will solo a dragon XD*


And then Teclis 6 dices purple sun on their collective faces. Problem removed! Also its doesn't exactly work to say that a bolter would be strength 10, because there are some direct cross overs between 40k and fantasy. Ork Nobs are wounded on 4's and have equivalents in the Orc army book that should also be wounded on 4's. A Bolter shell wounds Greater Daemons on 6's, so it should wound a Dragon on 6's as well. But I think we might be going off topic

Yes a full chapter would probs destroy the planet, but they could do that from Orbit with No problems. Not to mention there isn't much a full chapter can't do, but a fairer question is do you think a single space marine company could invade the planet?

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